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dagionsb said:
In my state of NJ, anyone can cancel a contract before the end of the third business day. That's a fact.
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And what does New Jersey business contract laws have to do with this? He signed a contract with a business in Texas and AGREED to any legalities arising from that contract to be worked out in a TEXAS court of law which means he has to play by TX laws.
 
dagionsb said:
Your humble opinion doesn't count when it comes to legalities.

Heres why.

In my state of NJ, anyone can cancel a contract before the end of the third business day. That's a fact.

Heres a hypothetical situation.

If some company decides to include in their terms something along the lines of "we get to keep your money if we decide you vioated our terms by trying to cancel within the first three days", it doesn't supercede the law of the state.

If any company could make up any terms they pleased, everyone would be ripped off all the time.

Hey, could be that other states let companys operate any way they please. Cancel contracts and keep your money for what ever reason they conjure up. But, I doubt it.

Dispute the charge and file the complaint.

When people think "it's a waste of time" to correct a problem and just do nothing, than I know one thing for sure, nothing will get done.
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What a stupid arguement.... He signed an agreement in Texas and It was longer than three days so what is your point? He can try and get his money back but he agreed to their terms. I think that is open and shut.
 
I never argue. Waste of energy.

Silly? Now that would be your humble opinion. And I would agree. Most things are silly s Kingsnake has every right to refuse service and cancel accounts for whatever reason they want. So does every company in the U.S.

Accepting funds and canceling service after two weeks for a paid year term and not refunding a partial payment would not be acceptable to me .

Could be the refund is on the way.


Whether the op violated the tos or not is at kingsnakes discretion. Paying back money owed may not be.

Contact the ag office and get real answers. You will at least get an answer. Contact your cc company and dispute the charge.
 
dagionsb said:
I never argue. Waste of energy.

Silly? Now that would be your humble opinion. And I would agree. Most things are silly s Kingsnake has every right to refuse service and cancel accounts for whatever reason they want. So does every company in the U.S.

Accepting funds and canceling service after two weeks for a paid year term and not refunding a partial payment would not be acceptable to me .

Could be the refund is on the way.


Whether the op violated the tos or not is at kingsnakes discretion. Paying back money owed may not be.

Contact the ag office and get real answers. You will at least get an answer. Contact your cc company and dispute the charge.
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No Bill I never said "silly" I said it was stupid. This is an old arguement check the archives. Kingsnake has a history of doing this exact thing. But in this case he asked to have his account terminated. They complied with his request. As for funds being on their way. Lets hope he is not holding his breath. :thumbsup:
 
Wrongbeach said:
I didnt violate the TOS to begin with, they made a mistake, i think anyone with half a brain can see that from my ad...therefore if I didnt violate the TOS with the ad, I DID NOT forfeit my money by sending them a private email confronting them and asking for my money back and to close my account. You would be a horrible lawyer....

Your right John, there is nothing further to say about this here...you won the tit for tat out of shear attrition...congrats

Ill let you take over this post now...I have better things to do...I said my peace...feel free to tear me apart on here...

Paul Harb
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Paul

I won nothing at all. I have no desire to tear you apart. I was reasonably sure after reading your first post that this was the guts of the situation. They pulled an ad, you got pissed and started to throw them attitude, they yanked your account. I am sorry you have not received a refund but, again, this is 100% of your own making.

I hope the original venting made you feel better. Other than that this was a complete waste of bandwidth.
 
Wrongbeach said:
I didnt violate the TOS to begin with, they made a mistake, i think anyone with half a brain can see that from my ad...therefore if I didnt violate the TOS with the ad, I DID NOT forfeit my money by sending them a private email confronting them and asking for my money back and to close my account. You would be a horrible lawyer....

Your right John, there is nothing further to say about this here...you won the tit for tat out of shear attrition...congrats

Ill let you take over this post now...I have better things to do...I said my peace...feel free to tear me apart on here...

Paul Harb
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By the way, if memory serves, Jim is an attorney
 
If that is the case just say so, give me my money back and close my account.
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From the above, when he asked for his account to be closed it was on the condition that he get back his money.

Kingsnake only claimed he violated their TOS, they offered no proof that the animal he was selling belonged to anyone other than himself and he has explicitly stated that the animal belongs to him alone.

The emails he posted here are also pretty borderline as to whether they could really be considered abusive, IMHO. I saw no profanity and no threats other than a threat to sue, which I believe it is not abusive to threaten to sue someone for just cause. I also do not think it is abusive to type legitamate questions with capslock on.

Kingsnake has been a great website and helped alot to advance the hobby but I think they are on shaky ground here. Unless some other facts get revealed that prove the seller was truly abusive or selling on behalf of a banned person and not just innocently selling an animal he unknowingly obtained from a banned person, kingsnake should refund his account, minus the portion already used.
 
Good post. But do you think a company as large as kingsnake would do something they do not believe they can get away with. Why would they set themselves up. There has to be more to this story.
 
Aaron Mattson said:
From the above, when he asked for his account to be closed it was on the condition that he get back his money.

Kingsnake only claimed he violated their TOS, they offered no proof that the animal he was selling belonged to anyone other than himself and he has explicitly stated that the animal belongs to him alone.

Kingsnake doesn't have to show proof.
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To all you wannabe lawyers

Money is being given back...thats what happens when you fight for what you KNOW is right...guess you guys like bending over...
 
Serafim said:
Good post. But do you think a company as large as kingsnake would do something they do not believe they can get away with. Why would they set themselves up. There has to be more to this story.
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I use a credit card for all on line purchases. I have found that companies both small and large will tell you that you are not entitled to a refund. Whenever I have placed a purchase in dispute (perhaps 20 times out of a thousand or so of purchases), the credit issuer has sided with me regardless of company policy or TOS, even over ruling Paypal once (who had told me "sorry Charlie"). It costs the company nothing to tell you "No" if you then give up and go away.
 
Serafim said:
Good post. But do you think a company as large as kingsnake would do something they do not believe they can get away with. Why would they set themselves up. There has to be more to this story.
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I think it's more like, they'll take the chance that this person will follow the same path as so many others, and just go away. I mean MG Reptiles had a good thing going too, and look what happened. When you let your success go to your head, things like this occur frequently.

They ain't gods, they're people. People are prone to making mistakes. I think they see this as a mistake, or they wouldn't be refunding the money. If they knew they were in the right, they would tell Paul go play with himself.

Doesn't appear to be the case here.
 
Wrongbeach said:
Money is being given back...thats what happens when you fight for what you KNOW is right...guess you guys like bending over...
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Actually bro it was you who got bent over. You just cried foul. Nobody else was inconvienced or put out in any way shape or form. Glad you got your money back.
 
crotalusadamanteus said:
I think it's more like, they'll take the chance that this person will follow the same path as so many others, and just go away. I mean MG Reptiles had a good thing going too, and look what happened. When you let your success go to your head, things like this occur frequently.

They ain't gods, they're people. People are prone to making mistakes. I think they see this as a mistake, or they wouldn't be refunding the money. If they knew they were in the right, they would tell Paul go play with himself.

Doesn't appear to be the case here.
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I would have to agree now that paul got his money back.
 
Serafim said:
I would have to agree now that paul got his money back.
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I believe he said "money is being given back, not that it actually has happened yet.

Honestly I hope he doesn't get it back given his last stupid comment that - "we guys here like getting bent over". The guy is full of himself. Cant even understand why he would being complaining here when he obviously believes he's so much smarter and better than everyone here. I really could have done without this thread and listening to his crying and whining.
 
Paul

I believe that you are grossly misunderstanding the reactions that you have received in this thread. No one wants to see you lose your money. I, personally, am glad that you are receiving a refund. What we are saying is that you caused this situation 100% by your own actions and have no one to blame but yourself.

If Kingsnake does refund you (and i think they should) it will be done as a courtesy and outside of the TOS you agreed to when you signed up.

How's that for a twist? Technically you are receiving a refund that you are not entitled to based on a contract you agreed to.
 
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