Fanstastic Deal

[ddr]

(meaning does everyone have to be kept waiting for no good reason in order for us to conclude that he has poor business ethics and no consideration for his customers if their needs aren't convenient to him) -- Uffern


I hope the word "everyone" in the quote was used for effect and not for factual reference.  I think if "everyone" that Adam has dealt with has been kept waiting for an unreasonable amount of time, then why are there many people on this BOI defending him?  

Like I said, do not generalize or lump "everyone" into a group just because a few people have had negative dealings with him.  Saying something like that about ANYONE can have adverse effects towards that person's future business transactions.  If alot of people on this board continue to attack anyone that has had a bad experience, or has had bad business dealings, then alot of good people are going to be ruined.

Finally, we should not solicit reviews from customers but we can bashed and slandered by people who have never personally dealt with us??  Well which is it?  Sure, someone posts something slanderous about someone. Then 50 negative posts later some one who has dealt with that person posts something good and it is not encouraged to have them do so??  50 posts (-) to 2-3 posts (+).  Nice balance!  It is really hard to defend yourself when it is 1 against 10.  Why not have people who, God forbid, may have something positive to say actually SAY IT?!  

"Have you ever shot yourself in the head?  NO?  Why not?  Is it beause you have heard from others that the effect is a bad one?  I think this clearly demonstrates that everyone, including you, makes judgements based on what others have said or done." -- Uffern

Hey,  don't shop at Wal-Mart, they won't return my defective can opener.  Don't go to Auto Zone for your alternator, they don't take American Express, go to the dealer and pay $300 more for the part.  Don't buy from Joe Blow, he is the guy that would not send me the snake because he was too busy attending a funeral, or on vacation when the money arrived (J. Ginter), or  the weather was too hot/cold, or his computer was down(computers are 100% reliable), or he lost the envelope with the address and the guy did not include a phone number, or the snake puked and I would rather not send right now, or it is in shed, or it has mites, or it has respitory infection, or....well.....whatever.  Humans are humans, if you want perfect deals 100% of the time, try this website: www.reptilesbyJesus.com.  Derek Roberts 520-544-7730

 

[Uffern]

You misunderstood what I said.  Justmebabe said that no one without personal experience with Adam had any right to post about him.  I was asking if everyone in the world had to have experience with something in order for a general concensus to be made.

As for the rest of your post, excuses are great.  If I hear from lots of people that Wal-Mart is shafting people or simply treating them as though they are worthless (such as not taking back your defective can opener, or making you wait for two weeks for some screen) then I would not take my business there and I would suggest that others avoid them as well.  I don't care if Autozone takes AmEx.  As for Joe BLow, if the funeral lasted two weeks or longer, well, what can I say to that.  If he was going to go on vacation, I should be notified of it if the deal is started just before.  It is not my responsibility to figure out what is wrong.  If his computer goes down, he can always go to the public library to notify the customer of the delay.  That is if he cares enough to do so.  If a problem arises with the animal, then I understand.  If temps are not right for shipping to such an extreme that a heat or cold pack would be worthless, then I understand, but how about sipper tubes or screen?  What is the reason for waiting so long on those?  I can tell you it has nothing to do with the temperature.  Adam himself admitted that he is filling orders for tubes that came in after Ken's, and making Ken wait since he posted here.  You are defending that?  

You're right.  Humans are humans.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

What other people posted about Adam isn't even close to being as damaging to his reputation as what he's posted himself. He has said he would send what he was supposed to, and as far as I know, he hasn't done so. Sometimes people are their own worst enemy.

 

[jusmebabe]

Uffern this is my last comment. If a person has had a bad experience by all means speak your peace. I am referring to those who haven't. There is nothing for you to ad if you haven't in some way dealt with him. If you choose not to deal with im great. But adding a bunch of comments does nothing but inflame the situation. If soeone has a problem with that then it's time to talk to a proffesional. I'm too tired to even read the rest of that long post so good night and enjoy...

 

[Bobby Douglass]

If things were done the way you suggest, the Jesse Underhills of the business wouldn't be exposed the way they are now. I'm not saying Adam is anything like Underhill, but if he purposely delays sending that guy's order to him that puts him on the same side of the list to me.

 

[jusmebabe]

Bobby i won;t reply as you haven't shown me what's different about what i said. Post if you have a good or bad not just to ad to the thread, so where is my thinking flawed again?
The End

 

[Bobby Douglass]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bobby i won;t reply as you haven't shown me what's different about what i said. Post if you have a good or bad not just to ad to the thread, so where is my thinking flawed again?
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I will post when I choose to but thanks for the advice. I do not post just to add to a thread, in fact I post less often than you do. I'm not prepared to call Adam good or bad, but I do feel he is doing wrong with the sipper tubes though.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There is nothing for you to ad if you haven't in some way dealt with him.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

This is the thinking that I think is flawed. I already mentioned people like Jesse Underhill. You know not to deal with him mainly thanks to other people that HAVE NOT dealt with him asking him questions. Those questions made him mad enough so that he shot himself in the foot over and over.

Is Adam a bad guy because of this?   probably not
Would I deal with Adam after this?   probably not
Does Adam care?   probably not

 

[jusmebabe]

Bobby, people that have dealt with Jesse started the post not the 30 people jumping into the mix. The Jesse underhills of the world always shoot themselves in the foot.   You still haven't said anything new. As for the item in question here i have no clue as i wasn't involved i that sale i anyway. 30 people asking the same question didn't get them  shipped now did they? I'm glad you haven't posted as much as me, does that make you better than me? Probably not seeing that just about all my posts are about good experiences.  Ask the 5-6 people  people i spent money with and i bet they say the same thing.. By the way my feeling are starting to get hurt cause now i'm still ahead of you in the number of posts
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[Casey Hulse]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">
Thanks a lot,
Adam Block)                                                                             I e-mailed the info he asked for and told him I was not happy with the service I was getting from him. He e-mailed me on the 13th his reply was;;
(Well, I am sorry for the trouble.  There was a delay in me even getting your
money order and that's been the hold up.  My wife thought that they were
already shipped to you and discarded your address.  I again very sorry for
the trouble, I can keep on top of the snake shipping but she handles
everything else and with three kids sometimes ends up forgetting or loosing
track.  Send your address again please and they'll go out today.

Thanks a lot
Adam)
So after telling me twice they were shipped,he did not even have my address and it was my fault because the money order had been delayed supposedly. Well I sent my address again asking politely that he e-mail me when he shipped.Now it is the 21st and guess what no sipper tubes and he will not reply to e-mails all this BS for $50. So now my question is what should I do next?? Hope this all makes sense my typing can not keep up with my thoughts!
Thank You for listening
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Adam told Ken he was sorry and the tubes would ship the 13th, a week later Ken posts here on the boi, and Adam is surprised?? To this day, over 1 month later and Ken still does not have the tubes. He has asked to be refunded his money (I would to) and he has not heard 1 word from Adam. How can anyone defend someone like that? If Adam had sent Ken his tubes (which he says that he had), that would have been the end of it. " SLOW SHIPPER" big deal, Now look at it! This is ADAMS doing, ALL of it!

 

[Neil Gubitz]

Ya know.... this thread is absolutely ridiculous, because no matter what is being said.... ADAM simply refuses to listen to it!! This has nothing to do with his animals or dry goods.... this is about SHIPPING! Period!
Personally, I couldn't care less what you put in your ads, or any "fine print" you care to write.... IMMEDIATE SHIPPING is probably the most important part of the sales process! I don't care about how many kids you have, if your mother got sick, or if your dog won't get off you leg! To have the AUDACITY to leave someone hanging AFTER you receive their money is the most self-centered, egotistical, repulsive thing I've ever heard! I just can't believe people still buy things from you?? You're basically telling them.... "I got your money, now you can kiss my xxx, I'll ship your stuff when I'm good and ready and not before!" Anyone who would willingly agree to that, should have their head examined by professionals and NO RIGHTS WHAT-SO-EVER to blast you for it! They actually agreed to it!
Would you at least promise me that if I bought (and PAID FOR) a 1.1 pair of BABY corns.... you'll send their OFFSPRING with the (now) ADULTS! That is truly pathetic and a major reason the herp community gets such a bad rap.... you just don't care, and it shows how really apathetic you are toward your customers! Very sad, Adam....
....Neil

 

[jusmebabe]

For the record i'm not a defender of Adam (not saying you were referring to me). I bought some hatchlings from him 2 weeks ago and that's all. If the product the person was to recieve hasn't been, he has every right to post his bad experience and so does everyone else who has. That said, those that did have a pleasant experience should also post. Then those who are considering buying from him have input from people with experience dealing with him and not people who are only adding 2nd and 3rd hand gossip.
THE END

 

[Bobby Douglass]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bobby, people that have dealt with Jesse started the post not the 30 people jumping into the mix. The Jesse underhills of the world always shoot themselves in the foot. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
How many people that posted actually dealt with Jesse? Do you honestly think that posts from Ritchie Luna and others that have not dealt with him were not instrumental in helping to expose him for what he is? Thieves don't always shoot themselves in the foot if we all just ignore it as long as it's happening to someone else and not us.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You still haven't said anything new. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's getting old about now.



</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the item in question here i have no clue as i wasn't involved i that sale i anyway. 30 people asking the same question didn't get them  shipped now did they?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No, but it says something about the one being asked the question.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm glad you haven't posted as much as me, does that make you better than me? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No, but it should disprove the insinuation that I post just to add to threads.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Probably not seeing that just about all my posts are about good experiences.  Ask the 5-6 people  people i spent money with and I bet they say the same thing.. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't recall these posts and I don't know these 5 or 6  people you spent money with but I have no reason to doubt any of your dealings. I've never read anything bad about you so I don't know why we're going in this direction. This isn't anything personal toward you, I just think it's rather silly to suggest nobody should post unless they have dealt with the person.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way my feeling are starting to get hurt cause now i'm still ahead of you in the number of posts </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I think we're both a little too old to go there.

Probably not "THE END", but enough for now.

 

[Bobby Douglass]

After I posted my last message I read that Adam says he is going to do the right thing. If this is true, and I don't have any reason to doubt him, I commend him for the change in attitude.  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>