Fat People

[RedQuake]

Thanks Sybella, i needed to hear or umm read that tonight. Its been a crapy day. Going to have to start my own Sound Off post i think.......

Thanks again
Red

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

the eye of the beholder...

I am a fat woman.... 5'6" and close to 200 pounds, disabled, and have a disease called AITDS, or auto-immune thyroid disorder syndrome (among other things). The only time in my life I was ever thin, was when I was on chemotherapy myself at the same time my mother was dying of breast cancer. I was also going through a horrible corporate lawsuit, and my first husband had left me for a 22 year old after I had given birth to twin boys that both died. I was stressed beyond human boundaries, but I could hang my purse on my hip-bone, and there was a 4" space between my legs!!! It was the first time in my life I ever felt that I actually was physically socially acceptable. I weighed 108 lbs, and wore a size 3. Once I was through with treatment, I had to work out for 2-3 hours a day, 6 days a week, and only eat one meal every-other-day in order to maintain a size 8. I wear a size 16 now.

We are victims of society's brain-washing campaign that you must be young, thin, and beautiful in order to be socially adequate. Every time you look at a magazine or watch a TV commercial, it is crammed down our throats that in order to be 'sexy,' we must be young and thin... we must eat Dannon yogurt, or buy a Bowflex. In today's Western Society, women are not encouraged to feel good about themselves unless they fit into a size 6. Americans judge each other by physical and social status, and as a general rule do not foster self-esteem otherwise.

But, it seems to be a cultural issue more than anything else. There are societies, both past and present, that worshipped the bodies of women who by today's standards were 'fat.' When I walk down the mall (when I can walk), black men take a second look! In many cultures, having a wife that is 'fat' gives a man social status. It means that he is affluent enough to feed his family well. Polynesians are genetically fat people, and it's not from eating McDonalds... heck, they eat fish and fresh fruits!!!

People like j. tyler are most likely sexually motivated. They judge people by the "erection scale," and couldn't care less about what kind of person you are, what your values are, what kind of music you like, what kinds of books you like to read, or do you believe in God. Anything less than young, thin, and beautiful is contemptible... sub-human. Personally, I think that's a real shame... not just because I am a fat woman, but because of all of the quality human beings he is cheating himself out of knowing because they are not in his "ideal" image of physical acceptability.

Just remember this... You can waste your whole life looking for the "perfect" woman, and if you are lucky enough to find her, she will most likely be looking for the perfect man... and you aren't him!

 

[j tyler]

So what are you saying? That it's great to have a culture that values and worships obese women...you, but a society that values a woman with normal weight is brainwashed. Right. The fact is that some people are unattractive and they cannot accept it. You want to be thought of as beautiful and if anyone disagrees they are the ones with problems. Sounds like self-deception.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

well...

but a society that values a woman with normal weight is brainwashed. Right.

What I am trying to say is, different societies have different definitions of what "normal" is, and western culture is brainwashed into believing that to be socially acceptable, you must be young, thin, and beautiful.

You want to be thought of as beautiful and if anyone disagrees they are the ones with problems.

Exactly! Just because a woman like me doesn't give you an instant erection, doesn't mean that all societies feel that way... only the ones that are narrow minded enough to 'buy in' to the fantasy that women are supposed to look like Penthouse Pets or Vogue models.

 

[j tyler]

Your sloppy logic is charming. Maybe it's the other 'societies' that are brainwashed. And BTW which societies are you talking about? And where do you get this 'instant erection' nonsense from? My quess is that you have tried to give some serious thought to this issue and the result is an absurd fantasy. I do think a woman can be tubby, chubby or plump and be extremely beautiful and alluring. I have refering to those mamals that are grossly obese and can barely waddle down the street. If you or anyone else thinks these massive tubs of lard are attractive and not an eyesore then I would suggest that you have a mild perversion at best.

 

[RedQuake]

James Tyler, mind your words, those "massive tubs of lard" are human beings and DEMAND no less respect than anyone else.

Have you stopped for a second to use your brain and THINK about why they are like that????? NOT all people are just slobs who don't care and those who do most likely have a psychological reason for it.

Physical/medical issues can cause such extreme weight such as thyroid problems. They are trapped by the restraints of their own body and should not be riduculed but commended for surviving in a cruel world with people like YOU!

Others who have weight issues might also be inflicted with emotional, psychological problems that apparently you have no compassion for. When all hope is lost, comfort can be found in many places. Some turn to drinking, others drugs, and more so people eat. Thanks, but if i had the option of chosing a fat person or a drunk behind the wheel of a car i'd chose the fat person every time! They too are trapped within their minds and should not be ridiculed.

And then theres woman like ME.........a woman who has turned the heads of men, a woman who was once skinny and pretty according to your standards..............a woman who was then RAPED. Ya think for a second i wanted to be a woman who got the attention of men??????? Hell NO!!!!!!!! My depresssion from that lead me to find comfort in food rather than a gun to the head which many times i considered. I'm now 30lbs overweifght and i don't turn heads.......doesn't mean i won't be raped again but at least i don't have men gocking like i once did.

Instead of judging people at face value why don't you first consider they might have problems you can't comprehend and then put yourself in their shoes, to be harrassed and put down like you are doing now. I think if i saw what you looked like i could cut you up pretty bad, but i wouldn't stoop that low.

Red

 

[Sybella]

Marcia, Red...Don't let him get to you.

He'll understand when he isn't at 100% anymore...things will be very different when his body starts failing him.

Some people just take longer than others.

 

[RedQuake]

Your right Sybella. What goes around comes around. I just can't believe his attitude, people deserve better than that.

Red

 

[j tyler]

"What goes around comes around"...Hmmm, are you admitting that you did something to bring all that abuse on yourself? Are you saying that fatties are being punished because of their bad karma? I just love your sloppy logic.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

he's not getting to me... lol!!!

And where do you get this 'instant erection' nonsense from?

I got it from statements like the following:

If you or anyone else thinks these massive tubs of lard are attractive and not an eyesore then I would suggest that you have a mild perversion at best.

It sounds like you are seeing these people as "attractive" or "unattractive" based on their affect on you as sex objects. Suggesting that I would have a mild 'perversion' is just plain laughable!

 

[DThomas]

"What goes around comes around"...Hmmm, are you admitting that you did something to bring all that abuse on yourself?

That staement right there says more about you then anything else you have posted.

Nothing any woman ever does or fails to do, means she deserves to be raped. A woman should be able to wear whatever she wants, do what ever she wants without fear of being raped. Clothes, attitude, whatever, is not an excuse or a license to rape someone. You have got to be the most simple minded, self-centered, and pathetic individual I have ever come across.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

wow.

You have got to be the most simple minded, self-centered, and pathetic individual I have ever come across.

I ditto this statement, and would like to add that you are also one sick individual. I hope you never have to do any jail time and have some "fat slob" rape you... then we can ask what you did to bring on the abuse.

 

[j tyler]

Denny,
You are obviously under exposed to lifes' tragedies. Maybe you should get together with the girls here and turn up your self-righteous silliness. I am not the one who suggested that what happens to someone is the result of their previous actions...it was Marcy. Learn to think and read. Also, if you can't take what is said on a sound off board I suggest you don't read it. You big baby.

 

[Python Dreams]

This is a touchy subject.... Their are some people that have thyroid conditions that lead to their weight, and others who are possibly taking medications that do the same. Their probably is a small percentage of obese people that have a proper diet and exercise. With that being said.... Respect comes on many levels such as physical condition, attitude, career, and so on... I personally dont respect someone for being obese, or overweight at all. I am probably ten pounds overweight and when I see some guy with a six pack and in good shape, I think I wish I could be that disciplined and motivated to be in perfect condition myself. If I see a women who is in good shape, I would tend to be more attracted to her and would think we could enjoy life more through hiking and outdoor activities. When I see an obese person ordering food and desserts, I instantly lose respect for them. They have taken their addiction (eating) to the level of a junkie, or alcoholic (not all alcoholics drink and drive). I wonder what it is they do beside eat, and if they are happy.... I tend to think not. It is not to say that they are not great people deserving respect, but from first impression you can only gather so much. All people deserve a certain amount of respect, but noone deserves respect for being obese.
Tom Baker

 

[DThomas]

Denny,
You are obviously under exposed to lifes' tragedies. Maybe you should get together with the girls here and turn up your self-righteous silliness. I am not the one who suggested that what happens to someone is the result of their previous actions...it was Marcy. Learn to think and read. Also, if you can't take what is said on a sound off board I suggest you don't read it. You big baby.

First off, it is Dennis, not Denny. Secondly, Most of my adult has been spent in either the USMC or law enforcement, quite a bit of time spent actually. I know all about life's little tragedies, more so than the average person.

"What goes around comes around"...Hmmm, are you admitting that you did something to bring all that abuse on yourself?

Well that quote right sure looks like it was in response to this quote...

Your right Sybella. What goes around comes around.

So a reasonable person would take your above statement as asking Lianne if she was admitting to do something to cause her rape. It is NEVER the woman's fault when she is raped, period. That is what I take offense at. If you have a problem with that, too bad. If that is not what you meant, then I suggest you write a bit more clearly so as not to cause confusion. I can read and comprehend just fine.

 

[geckosurfer]

Obese, fat, slobs....blah, blah, I forget the lot

It seems before I post, I need to clarify that (1) I am OVERWEIGHT by 5lbs. Oh. Whoops. That's with clothes, shoes, keys in my pockets, etc. (2) JTyler cannot and will not be persuaded from his belief that fat/obese blah blah people in blah blah clothes should be stopped in some way. If one's personal level of indecency is reached, others should modify their behavior.

Personally I find it indecent to call attention to an individuals looks, their fashion sense (or lack of), their possible handicaps, etc. Though classified by many as one of those gawdawful hotties, I also know that not all are attracted to me. That I have been fortunate in my life, that my hardships have been kind to me.

He has every right to his opinion whether we agree or disagree. I find most of his postings to be disagreeable, but that too is my right. He is looking to spark a discussion in a manner that is more to his tastes and agreements than what he has found here,

I expect Herpers to be a little more thoughtful than this thread has demonstrated. When I read some of the cliches you people spout like " dont judge abook by its cover" etc I detect people who have NO personality at all.

Yes, this is the sound off board and he has truly trumpeted his opinions.

I must flee, the stairmaster calls my name and I need my rest before the botox injection tomorrow and the lipo on Tuesday.


JC

 

[j tyler]

Mr Dennis (USMC and Policeman) says I am the most pathetic individual he has ever come across. Really? It seems to me young man that you have a very short fuse, which has probably led to a few 'mistakes' hence the desire to be 'protector of women'.
Your anger and outrage over a few posts on a reptile forum message board is a little bit odd...man-o-man I would hate to have to deal with you after you've had too much to drink.

As to Marcy's opinion that I am " one sick individual" because I find grossly obese women unsightly...well what can I say, I guess Marcy does not tolerate differing cultural standards.

Now in my defense, I have to say that I adore women in general and have never harmed one nor to I advocate such behavoir. I think abusing a woman in any manner is a demonstration of very poor taste. However, I did not bring up the assinine Karmic idea of whatever happens to you is the result of past actions. The whole idea of "what goes around comes around" is an absurd idea, and indicates a low level thought on the part of the person using the phrase.

 

[gfisher2002]

Wow James, you must be the most dilluted, shallow person in the world. I'm guessing your a 16 year old pretty boy, who thinks he's pretty hot sh*t. You haven't listened to a word other people have been saying. You're a sad, brainwashed little boy.
I hope someday you can awaken from your trance and live with the rest of us in the real world.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

WOW.

the most shallowest person in the world award goes to james tyler.

We all hope in 10-20 years when your health and looks fail you, you still remain as shallow as you are now.

 

[j tyler]

Wow
If you think I am the "most shallow person in the world", then you are the one who needs to wake up. The mere fact that you think I am the "most shallow person in the world" indicates just how shallow you are. And like I said before if you want to insult me try and be a little more creative...and take it easy on the beer and french fries. Obesity is the number one health problem in America, not to mention the aesthetic aspect.