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I must say from the get go, that I am kind of pissed here...in really believing that the other people who post on this forum were unbiased, I am coming off somewhat disappointed. I see people getting trashed, while others (obviously friends or compatriots) get the nod as being "ok"...

Seems to me that this was supposed to be an impartial jury, so to speak, of somewhat educated animal dealers having to hash out issues, both good and bad, in a PUBLIC forum.
Since the BOI has gone private (pay to post), there seems to be an enormous turn towards a sort of "good ol boy" click...

I don't understand how the rules seem to apply to some, and not to others!!!

greg
 
Do you have any details and facts to share, or do you just want to post generalities?
 
I don't know if I feel that this is a "sir A did such and such at time B" sort of thing...just in the passing months, there seems to have been a closing of the ranks on Fauna that I find disturbing.

If someone "higher up" says something, everyone agrees ...any sort of dissent is met with skepticism. Wes and I agree on some things, and violently disagree on others...which is fine...this is a place to air your viewpoints. I just don't like the feeling that there is some sort of brotherhood out there of fauna members, who guard each other's backside...

It is entirely possible that I am mistaken...but, there does seem to be a trend in this direction, and it has been voiced in a myriad of emails on other sites as well as personal.

Just thought I would air the laundry...didn't mean to step on any toes!!

greg
 
I am a brotherhood of one.

We do see eye to eye and sometimes eye to ass, going both ways and it is NO problem for me.

I do sort of see what you mean but I suspect it will mellow out in the coming months. I certainly hope so anyway because I prefer to be the Lone Ranger as opposed to 5 of 9, although if I recall correctly SHE was pretty hot, but I digress; ranks form and unform as the structure modifies itself.

I think, really, that more time will change the "solidifications" that are somewhat apparent as of now.
 
Close ranks? How many people are we talking about in this case? Two, six, fifty, one hundred?

And who is this "higher up" you mention? I don't see more then 50 percent of the people here every agreeing with anything anyone says, not matter what it is.

So whose "backsides" exactly are being protected? And whom are they being protected by?

You must have some details you can provide?

And yes, people, this thread is another violation of the rules, and NO I am not protecting Greg's backside by allowing it to remain and not assessing him warning points...... :>poke2<:

Sometimes I just have to be flexible and do what I think is best based on the individual circumstances. I mean, how many people would start screaming bloody murder if I just deleted this message or moved it into the limbo of the Feedback Forum?
 
Kind of like giving a black guy ten acres of land??? :)

Honestly, I am wrong here...I thought I had clicked on "hell" when I started the thread....perhaps that is where this belongs? I have no issues with any one person at all here...but to deny the way trends are going is to be an ostrich in the sand...I hope that Wes is correct, and that things will stabilize.

Yeah.

greg
 
Well, from my perspective, I feel that it is "jump on Webslave" week around here. If anything, I feel like people are lining up to take potshots at me, so if there is a "closing of the ranks", it appears to have left me on the outside.

So again, Greg, details. If all you are going to say are general "feelings", "trends", and other nebulous vibes, then there is really nothing to address and try to take a hard look at.

But from what I have seen, there has ALWAYS been a subset of people here who thought there was a clique or core group of people that acted as one in a conspiratorial manner. No, that has never really been the case. Often what you are seeing are a number of people who just happen to think roughly the same about things that have gravitated to this site and tend to remain here simply BECAUSE they find a group of people here who DO think like they do. That is just a natural thing to have happen, and I don't see why anyone should be surprised at it happening here.
 
Greg, can you say more about the trends, and talk more specifically about what is bugging you? I would like to hear more exactly, what you think?
 
WebSlave said:
So again, Greg, details. If all you are going to say are general "feelings", "trends", and other nebulous vibes, then there is really nothing to address and try to take a hard look at.
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Hmmm. Message received.

Lucille, I think all you have to do is overview posts that have been made to see my point...but I can tell this is going nowhere...and I certainly never meant to "bash" on the site at all...just noticed a disturbing trend...ah well...

greg
 
I must say from the get go, that I am kind of pissed here...in really believing that the other people who post on this forum were unbiased, I am coming off somewhat disappointed. I see people getting trashed, while others (obviously friends or compatriots) get the nod as being "ok"...
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Gregg,

The problem is that if one sees bad guys everywhere the power of detecting the real threats gets numbed. If you feel that giving the chance to rectify a transaction to a person that has earned a reputation over time is being biased, that is your opinion and as such we should respect it. Those people generally learn from their mistakes and grow from them. But what about those individuals that over the years had been scamming left and right. Then all of a sudden they find the new “self”, they have reinvented themselves and want to start clean. With those you will notice that there is less mercy. Why? Because we have seen that happen over and over again. Those were no “mistakes” they were very well planed actions. Are there friendships here in Fauna? You bet there are. It would be very sad if after all these years of knowing each other there were none. Have we e-mailed privately every now and then? You bet, and we will continue to do so. That’s what friends do, they communicate with each other. A clique? I thought that concept had faded away but maybe the virus has been reintroduced. What puzzles me though is your “friends or compatriots” statement. It sounds quite ethnocentric. Could you expand on what you meant by that?

Thanks.
 
cthulhu77 said:
Hmmm. Message received.

Lucille, I think all you have to do is overview posts that have been made to see my point...but I can tell this is going nowhere...and I certainly never meant to "bash" on the site at all...just noticed a disturbing trend...ah well...

greg
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Greg, you were the one who started this thread. There are thousands of posts I could 'overview' and try to distill trends from, but you have it right there in your mind, or you would not have started the thread. It CAN go somewhere, all I am asking is what specifically you think is wrong?

If you noticed something that disturbs you, I would think that the only way to identify it, and IMHO the only way to overcome ANY perceived problem, is to identify it, think about it, verbalize a plan, and put the plan into action.

So, we are waiting on you, to identify exactly what bothered you, first step in the process.....
 
LOL...yeah...7/9 was a hottie...

anyway...it was just seeming to me that some dealers were gaining a bit more leeway than others for the same offenses/defenses...could I go back and dig up every little bit of info and factoid? I suppose...but, I am sure you would all be as bored reading it as I would be having to type it...

I can sense the way this is going...I just don't happen to agree with it.

greg
 
So I type a post, and there are more waiting for me...

Several times over the last few months, I have noticed that certain dealers get a "pass" when it comes to marginal shipments/trades/etc...whilst others get lambasted for minor infractions.

After a while, one does have to question the "jury" here...I may be the only one typing at the moment, but I sure as hell am not the only one feeling this way !
 
cthulhu77 said:
could I go back and dig up every little bit of info and factoid?

greg
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Greg you started a thread: Fauna, the BOI, and Favouritism. You put it right here where everyone could see it. I am asking why you wrote it.
Yes, i would like some facts.
 
Start here...then go back and look at all of your posts, Lucille...you will see some discrepancies in them between sellers...and the same goes for many of the other people who post here...MYSELF included. I am not trying to sit in some ivory tower here...just trying to understand what has happened...I think Wes has hit the nail on the head (what a suprise) with his post on this thread.

Sorry if I ruffled anyone's feathers...it was not meant as a PERSONAL assault!!!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68199
 
lucille said:
Greg you started a thread: Fauna, the BOI, and Favouritism. You put it right here where everyone could see it. I am asking why you wrote it.
Yes, i would like some facts.
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I should have put a question mark at the end of the Post's title...my fault. I am enquiring as to whether others feel that the BOI has been somewhat corrupted. That is all...


greg
 
Greg

Don't feel that you have to opologize for being the one to point out the fact that the emporer has no cloths. He is standing right next to the elephant in the room.
 
I'll give you a MAJOR example . . .

During this whole Mack snow stupidity - one guy in particular screws up badly - but for some reason - is never given the benefit of the doubt, when he is deserving about 5-6 benefits of the doubt. He is immediately cast into the outer darkness and people hope that he is weeping and gnashing teeth.

Another fine forum member - screws us BADLY, I mean BADLY - and gets called out. He has his reasons and said his apologies - but people rallied around him even BEFORE he offered his apology.

There IS a good old boys club to a certain extent. Sure, you can screw up - but you had better be VERY CAREFUL who you screw up around - or you will be taken out to dry. And most people will give the excoriated one a WIDE birth - not wanthing the stench of a bad rep to stick upon their precious name.

I'm really not sure what to do about it. I have a feeling - that as this site matures and to a greater extent - the herp hobbyists themselves are FORCED to mature in their behavior - we could find a reasonable balance.

In the mean time, Rich - you have your hands full. But this hobby/business HAS to mature quickly - if it is going to become more than a curious sideshow.

Well - for what it's worth . . .
 
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