Bought that. She ignored it.
Which scent did you try?
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Feeding Baby Grey Banded Kingsnake
- Thread starter Runs_With_Wolves
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Which scent did you try?
Runs_With_Wolves
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Anole
Runs_With_Wolves
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So would an egg not work?
That might be unfortunate for you. As I mentioned before, I have NEVER gotten a baby gray banded kind snake to eat an anole. You probably would have done better to get the gecko scenting, but I would ask what KING of gecko is being used. Never had any luck with leopard gecko scenting neither.
You know, you are racing the clock now. Eventually baby snakes do reach a point of no return if they don't get a meal into them soon after hatching and absorbing all the nutrients that were in the egg while they were developing.
When I was in the business, at one time I used to take non-feeding corn snakes to shows with me and sell them for $10 each, with a NOTICE on them that they were NON-FEEDERS, and likely to be a problem for anyone else. Everyone who picked them up to attempt to buy them, I grilled them about their experience with non feeding snakes. I refused to sell them to someone who appeared to be at risk of just having them die on them because of their inexperience. But at one of the South Carolina shows we used to do, we have a few other vendors buy up a bunch of these non-feeders before the show opened to the public. I thought they were just picking out the "good stuff" with the intention of working with them to get them feeding. Imagine my surprise when one of those vendors came around later on in the show asking me if I were interested in buying what he called a "newly hatched corn snake". Of course I recognized it as one of the non-feeders he had purchased from me earlier that day. He just forgot where it came from, or else it was someone else in his group that purchased it from me. And lying to my face about it being freshly hatched out, trying to unload it on someone unsuspecting of it's true nature. So I discontinued that practice when it became obvious to me that at least one of those other vendors (and likely more) were screwing their customers by selling kids and other novices a baby snake *cheap* (but at a profit to them) that would very likely die on the buyer not knowing what they were really dealing with.
Non feeding baby snakes can be a REAL challenge for even experienced keepers. And that is even with species that will normally take pinky mice as a first meal.
I think what you need to think about now is force feeding. But use something small like the base of an adult mouse tail, that will go down easily. If you don't do something SOON, you are going to lose that animal.
How long has it been since it hatched out? If it's been too long, you may very well have a dead snake on your hands that just doesn't know it yet.
Not at all trying to discourage you, just laying the cards as I see them out on the table.
Lord knows I have had my share of baby snakes that died on me that I REALLY wish hadn't, despite all my efforts.
At this point I think you need to stop experimenting and get some food into the belly of that animal. BTW, if it regurges that first meal you can get into it, it's quite likely "game over".
At least that has been my experience in situations like this.
Runs_With_Wolves
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I teased her with a young mouse tail. It was two inches long and about 2mm at the base. Once it was half-way down her throat, she stopped trying to spit it out and stared to actively pull it in to eat. It's in her now. Gonna watch her to make sure she doesn't puke or choke or somethibg else stupid.
Runs_With_Wolves
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She turns 2 months on the 11th. She's active.
Runs_With_Wolves
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That's a start. 2 months is a pretty long time for a baby snake to be without food, so you are going to need to get food into it to keep it from dying on you.
When you use a mouse tail, feed it into the mouth in the direction so the hairs on the tail make it difficult for the snake to spit it up.
A little story here that might be pertinent. Years ago when I worked for the state, there was a guy there who caught a baby corn snake around his house, and knowing I worked with snakes, came to speak to me about it. During the conversation I asked him where he was getting the pinky mice to feed it. The guy looked at me like I had lost my mind. So I had to explain what pinky mice are. Still didn't help. He said he was feeding it earthworms and it was doing just fine with them. So I guess it was logical for him to assume that earthworms would be a natural feed item for a baby snake. And perhaps it is. Honestly, I never tried it myself, but maybe I should have on some stubborn feeders.
Runs_With_Wolves
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That's a start. 2 months is a pretty long time for a baby snake to be without food, so you are going to need to get food into it to keep it from dying on you.
When you use a mouse tail, feed it into the mouth in the direction so the hairs on the tail make it difficult for the snake to spit it up.
A little story here that might be pertinent. Years ago when I worked for the state, there was a guy there who caught a baby corn snake around his house, and knowing I worked with snakes, came to speak to me about it. During the conversation I asked him where he was getting the pinky mice to feed it. The guy looked at me like I had lost my mind. So I had to explain what pinky mice are. Still didn't help. He said he was feeding it earthworms and it was doing just fine with them. So I guess it was logical for him to assume that earthworms would be a natural feed item for a baby snake. And perhaps it is. Honestly, I never tried it myself, but maybe I should have on some stubborn feeders.
How often should I feed her? How many tails?
I'd like to know who sold this non-feeding snake to someone with no experience, without providing any guidance whatsoever other than, braining. If braining was going to work, the breeder would have tried that already and the snake would be feeding. I want to know the name of this irresponsible seller, for future reference. Sold a non-feeding snake to a noob, isn't helping her get it started. Non-feeders should only be sold to people with the experience necessary to keep them alive. It sounds like this guy/gal went for the quick cash grab and unburdened his or her self of a problem snake on to someone s/he knew didn't have that experience.
Warning: Not here in this thread, please. If this discussion needs to bring up a name of the seller, then a new thread needs to be started in the Board of Inquiry about this issue. Such discussions about buyers and/or sellers is not welcome in the general discussion forums.
I don't know what would be best for your gray band. Too many variables concerning the environment and it's overall health for me to wager a guess for you. All I can say is that you need to be cautious and try not to trigger a regurge. And you do not want it to starve to death. Somewhere between the two limits will be where you need to be, but unfortunately I can't tell you where that is. So go slow, wait for a defecation of the last meal to make sure the last offering was digested, and then try another small meal. Pick up the pace if it feels warranted. I would decrease the number of days between meals over increasing the size of each meal, as that would likely be less stressful on the animal. With any luck, you will notice the animal looking around for another after taking a mouse tail, and that could mean you are out of the woods and have an animal with a developing feed response.
Just don't push things or rush the process. I don't know how many baby corns I lost over the years just from a single regurge that pushed them over the edge and they spiraled down hill very quickly.
Runs_With_Wolves
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Alright. Thanks guys. I'll wait for the tail to pass before I give her another. As for the guy who sold her to me, private message me and I'll give you his info.
Runs_With_Wolves
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Good news everybody!
Foxtrot has grown and shed her skin. She still needs to be teased into eating, but the tails are definitely making her grow. She's super active and is relaxing about being held.
Thanks so much guys!
Foxtrot has grown and shed her skin. She still needs to be teased into eating, but the tails are definitely making her grow. She's super active and is relaxing about being held.
Thanks so much guys!
Good to hear you are having success! Looks like your patience is working out well.
clgensel
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RE: anole scent
Didn't work for my gray banded non eater. Boiled pinks in a cup did and Reptilinks WAY overcharges for scent because of shipping.
Didn't work for my gray banded non eater. Boiled pinks in a cup did and Reptilinks WAY overcharges for scent because of shipping.
Runs_With_Wolves
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I tease fed mice tails and rat pinkie arms and legs by forcing her mouth open and putting food in it. she ate after it was in her mouth. Try that. Mine now eats like a pig.