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Finding BIG Black Rats

thesnakeman

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I live in the Ozarks, and I look for snakes every year. My main quarry is the Black Rat Snake. Any hints, or tips on ways, times, or places to find them would be greatly appreciated. or of you live in the area, maybe we could get together and go snake huntin. thanks a bunch,
T.
 
How big to they get over there? Biggest ones I have ever seen were over in Delaware. I didn't measure them, so I can't give an accurate length, but if they were not at least 7 ft. long, I would be VERY surprised.
 
The largest one I ever saw was back in about 1976. And I am still sure it would have gone 8ft. easy. It was absulutley gorgiuos, freshly shed specimen, with a red chain pattern visible between the scales, and a few white speckels. I would like to have captured, measured, and recorded it, but my father was driving, he was terrified, and would have none of that! I can still see it drawn up into pre-strike position with it's mouth open, as if to say "don't mess with me"! I've heard stories of them even bigger, some people telling of big black snakes stretching all the way accross the road. A small country road, but a road none the less. I've been searching ever since. But the really big ones seem to be getting fewer, and farther between. This subject is of particular intrest to me, as I keep Indigos, and they are reputed to be North Americas largest snake. So it would be interseting to see what I can come up with. Again any help would be great. Thanks,
T.
 
Yeah, I've seen some big ones when I was younger living in Maryland. Used to live in Harford County. There was an old abandoned building behind my house where I live with my parents, on the other side of a stream bordering our property. I used to go over there and there were a good half dozen REALLY big black rats that would be in a tree next to this old building. I discovered that if I put my hand in the lower branches and made it look like a fluttering bird, they would ALL come down to investigate it.

One day I went over there and I found them all DEAD, shot with .22s it looked like. That is about the only time in my life that I feel for certain that I would have murdered someone if the person who did that had still been there. Those snakes weren't harming anyone at all, and some yahoo went over there and killed them for nothing but the "fun" of it. :hot:
 
Oh man that story makes me sick. Why can't people just walk away from animals they're scared of?

Last summer my neighbor was mowing his lawn, which is a field no less. He'd mow a while and then shoot a gun, mow a couple more minutes and then shoot a gun. He did this 3 times. Finally I went up to his house to see what he was shooting. OMG I about died.

He held up a black snake that was a good 6' with it's head blown off. He said lookey at what I killed, the biggest copperhead I ever seen. He wouldn't believe me when I told him what it was. Then he held up a prairie kingsnake that was all of 10" and mostly blown to bits. It was a copperhead too.

Next was a common snapping turtle, about 9" SVL with a hole through it's head. He actually said: That turtle was hissing at me and trying to bite me. My reply was: I guess the turtle was too fast for you to get away from.

I told him it's best to just leave these animals be and walk away from them. Or in his case, ride his lawnmower in a different direction. He doesn't want them in "his yard" which is a 10 acre field. He moved to the country, we live WAAAY out of town just above the St. Francis River. I moved here because there would be wildlife. I don't know why he moved here because he's afraid of everything.

I called the conservation department and reported his wonton killing but as far as I know they didn't even come out to see what he did.

Just last month he dumped a dead coyote on my property. He drove past my house (with me home) and dumped it. After he left, I went down there to see what he did and found that the coyote had been shot. It had a huge hole in its neck and it's hindquarters were nearly torn off by a gunshot wound. Conservation Dept said since it's coyote season it wasn't illegal to kill one and they weren't coming out to check his hunting license. So I placed the dead coyote on his porch. Happy hunting to him.
 
I can relate to the outrage displayed in the posts above. The ignorance, and the subsequent atrocities commited by man are sometimes overwhelming. It never ceases to amaze me the horribly stupid things that man does. Not only to himself, but to his fellow inhabitants of this earth. It is a tragedy what we have done to this planet, and to all of the forms of life which live here. And the only thing that is more tragic than the grotesque nature of what we have done, is the fact that we continue to do them. I continue to believe that the species of man did not evolve. Not on this plannet or any other. If we did evolve, how could we have lost all connection, and kinship to that from which we came. I believe we were created, although, I often wonder,..by what, or whom? We are the only species of animal on the face of this earth that does the awful things that we do. We do not belong here. Perhaps we are some sort of sick alien experiment gone astray. I don't know, but to me, at least, it is painfully obvious that we do not belong. And the only thing that brings me any comfort, when I here about such tragedy, is that I personaly believe that some day mother nature will either teach us to respect her the hard way, or purge herself of our unatural presence all together. I think recent events in the Indian ocean are testament to this theory. And I think we'd all better get our affairs in order. Because we ain't seen nothin yet! Mother nature has a way of cleansing herself, and we are the filth most in need of being cleansed. I don't know about all of you, but I do believe a day of reconing will come. And I believe that karma will deliver what has been given. Still, I must confess that I too feel an overwhelming urge to choke an idiot like that until the karma squirts out of his ears. Every time I see a dead snake or turtle on the shoulder of the road, five or six feet away from the traveld road surface, I know that some {insert profanity and name calling to sufficiently discribe such humans}, went out of their way to take the life of a creature who's only crime agaisnt humanity, was to try and get to the other side. That really burns my,...well you know. And being a fairly agressive person, with a substantial amount of military trainig, with a bad temper to begin with, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I go to jail for giving karma a little help.

I'm sure we could all rant and rave for days on end about this subject, and I must admit that it feels good to vent. But I still just want to know how, when, and where to find big black rat snakes. Thanks for sharing. Let's try not to think about the idiots out there. Let's just go herpin!
T.
 
Karen Hulvey said:
I told him it's best to just leave these animals be and walk away from them. Or in his case, ride his lawnmower in a different direction. He doesn't want them in "his yard" which is a 10 acre field. He moved to the country, we live WAAAY out of town just above the St. Francis River. I moved here because there would be wildlife. I don't know why he moved here because he's afraid of everything.


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It's one thing when some "wild" animal wanders or crawls into a city and some ignorant terrified city slicker kills it (not that even in those situations, is it right, just that I can kind of "understand"), but for this guy to move to a place that has acres, and is out in the country and is doing this, is downright pathetic. That guy really chaps my hide, I only hope that Karma thing shows up at his door for "retribution"
 
It is truly sad and embarrassing to think of your own race as being a cancer on the planet we live on. Then it gets scary to think that if that is true, we will either kill this planet, or it will find a way to cure itself of us. Either way, pretty bleak picture.

Or could we, perhaps, evolve from being a cancer to merely a benign parasite?

I think the transition would be too painful and difficult for most people to accept and endure. Likely impossible for any government to enforce.
 
The way humans are going, we are going to destory the Earth. Rainforests are being torn down, countless creatures are losing their homes, wars just keep starting. Eventually animals will start to invade us, not because they want to harm us, but because they need a place to live. The space that was taken from their home is now our home, they just want to live and the only place left is our home.
 
Hi guys, glad to hear some intelligent, considerate, vengeful venting.
for the Snakeman, I grew up in southeast Missouri, not in the Ozarks exactly, but close enough. In late spring do what you can to get permission to look around in the oldest most delapidated barns you can. Black Rats were the first snake I became intimately familiar with as a kid, and the first snake that I was bitten by (many, many times) I have never seen one in excess of 7 feet, but 6+ was definitely common in Scott Co.
remember:
where there is grain storage, there are lots of rodents
where there are lots of rodents, there are usually big healthy snakes not far!

Good luck

p.s. I also did see some large BRS in the immediate vicinity of a friends cabin
near Cuba, MO last summer. Again, stuff that attracts rodents also brings in the snakes.
 
WebSlave said:
Yeah, I've seen some big ones when I was younger living in Maryland. Used to live in Harford County.

You must have been one of them "out in the county" boys lol...I grew up in Joppatowne, in south Harford Co...I would catch big black rats, along with northern water snakes and the very ocasional garter or black racer (too fast hehe) along the channel leading up to Gunpowder Cove Marina. I can remember showing off one when i was about 14 thats tail just missed touching the ground as i held it up, arm extended. Love 'em, the biggest of prizes (well, for me) as a kid...
 
I live in the Ozarks as well (Bull Shoals Lake), and we come across some pretty hefty ones. The biggest ones I've come across though, were on my relatives' farms in Randolph County when I was growing up. The corn fields had black rats that easily ran 7-9 ft.

Around here, we get calls about people losing eggs, chicks, and full chickens, and we've not had trouble identifying the big black rat that's responsible. The best was a couple of summers ago, when one got INTO the chicken coop and ate so many little chicks that he was too fat to make it back out!

Here's a picture of a little 6-footer that the dog sniffed out of one of our bushes in the yard.
 

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7' 1"

I thought I had a record with one I found here in Ga. in 1981. It was huge (to me) and measured 7'1". Sounds like there are some bigger out there. I don't find as many any more, or any other snakes in this area. My theories are loss of habitat, roads, and the Eastern Wild Turkey. I have observed these birds scratching in the leaves and eating baby snakes a number of times!
 
Big Black Rats...

Ok... so this is in SC, but...
While I was bottle hunting (I like to hunt for reptiles and old bottles) I picked up an old tire and tossed it to the side so I could look through the pile of junk under it. just then I saw some thing move in the corner of my eye, I looked and there was the body of a "large" snake! I looked around and found two sticks and started to try to get the snake out. Finally I got the tail out of the tire and saw to my delight that there were no rattles, so I grabbed his tail and started to pull him out as carefully as I could! I was very nerves because it was one of the first times I had caught a snake! so when I got it out I wanted to be 100% sure it was not a HOT snake! so I stepped on his head very lightly and looked at his eyes. I had already looked at the tail to try to see if it was ok or not but was not 100% sure of how to tell by the tail. So after I caught it I kept it for a while 'till I found out it was illegal to own any thing native to GA where we were living at the time, so I sold it to a friend for $30.00 then when we started to move I bought it back for the same price. When I caught it it was a little under 5 & 1/2 ft. and I kept it three years 'till it was 6 ft.
I could not sell it because it was such a common snake around there. So I had to let it go. I know it was not the best thing to do but I had kept it wild so I think and hope it will/is ok!

I will put some pics of it on here when I find them!

P.S. It was my absolute favorite snake... (and I have had several!)!
 
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