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Fish & Wildlife Propose to Ban Boas , Pythons and Eunectes

While the article does state that An injurious wildlife listing would prohibit the importation into, or transportation between, States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any territory or possession of the United States by any means, without a permit, the terms of that permit are would would create the problem. As listed, permits MAY be issued for scientific, medical, educational, or zoological purposes. May be...as in not guaranteed. Further, most private keepers cannot meet the criteria for scientific, medical, or zoological (at least based upon my previous permit experience here in NYS). The educational permit was simple enough to obtain; but there were requirements, and the department could request proof of adherence at any time (and it was generally needed when renewing the license annually). It does not, however, cover "because I want one", "because I have always been interested in snakes", or, conversely "because since they bred I have too many", "I need the money", "because I can't take care of it anymore" (or the ever popular: my mom/landlord won't let me keep it, my girlfriend is afraid of it, we are having a baby, can't find food for it, etc).
Maybe they will not put extraordinary stipulations in place, or charge outrageous permit fees...then again, maybe they will. We won't know that part until it is too late - the decision to add these groups to the injurious wildlife category will likely already have been made before they address the fine points (why worry about the terms and cost of the permit until you have decided that there will be a permit).

It does seem that a large number of people are misreading an important part - it is not for ALL pythons and boas...it is for snakes contained within the 3 listed genera: Python, Boa, and Eunectes. SO, any boa or python not included in Boa or Python is not included...ie Morelia, Liasis, Aspidites, Anteresia, Corallus, Acrantophis, Eryx, etc. A number of States (and localities) already have regulations in place covering the INTENDED targets of this proposal - large constrictors. That this model includes the precious ball python will likely create significant attention - that can be good, or bad, depending on the manner of the responses. I suspect for every intelligently written and informative comment they receive, they will get many that serve no real purpose except to strengthen the stereotype of reptile keepers.
Yes, this demands our attention, and, as I (and others) have stated before - the issue that actually exists is relatively isolated and legislation has already been passed to address it....but, while pondering the implications, I found myself wondering if realization of the number of people that breed the aforementioned genera on any scale, and the quantities in which they are bred and imported would serve as a positive or negative influence on the decision.
 
hhmoore said:
....but, while pondering the implications, I found myself wondering if realization of the number of people that breed the aforementioned genera on any scale, and the quantities in which they are bred and imported would serve as a positive or negative influence on the decision.


Bingo! You'd think if the numbers presented were high enough, it would stand to reason that regulating would be a serious blow to many US citizens and their livelihood, and economic growth. But then again, it may just reinforce, in their eyes anyway, how big of a problem it may be.

Hard to say which way they, the ones that approve such proposals, will view it.

I just hope there is someone in power, with enough sense to realize the cost this proposal would inflict upon the government. But then again, they spend like crazy for less important things. Our taxes, hard at work. :thumbsup:
 
this is just wrong go to youtube and look for viperkeeper videos and he will tell you everything and alsorts of stuff. Still think this is wrong :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
 
HHMoore, you are indeed correct. Not all species will be included. My difficulty with it is that as soon as it becomes precident, it will spread. Some jerk will have a problem with a BCC and those can be included as well.

It should be left at a state level. I can see a state like Florida or Louisiana having a problem with a lot of them as they can survive and prosper in the wild there, so there should be some sort of control. Who is setting a non-native species free somewhere it doesn't belong?? Oregon, Washington, Montana, etc shouldn't be included in federal decisions like that. They don't live, they can't become a non-native pest. States already have their own controls on venomous animals.

Some irresponsible jerk walking down the highway with a 14' burmese (true story) should have a real good reason for doing so or be fined, but it shouldn't be an open door for federal regulation.

Imagine the poor folk in Delaware that love herps. Where are they going to get a wide-spread variety of animals once the laws expand. Perhaps the laws will recess. Always a possibility, right?

True, not all species will be included, but as soon as they say, "Some" they will eventually mean, "All"
 
whew - Rick, I almost just did it again, lol.

HHMoore, you are indeed correct. Not all species will be included. My difficulty with it is that as soon as it becomes precident, it will spread. Some jerk will have a problem with a BCC and those can be included as well.
ummmm...bad example - BCC is included...genus Boa.

It should be left at a state level. I can see a state like Florida or Louisiana having a problem with a lot of them as they can survive and prosper in the wild there, so there should be some sort of control. Who is setting a non-native species free somewhere it doesn't belong?? Oregon, Washington, Montana, etc shouldn't be included in federal decisions like that. They don't live, they can't become a non-native pest. States already have their own controls on venomous animals.
While I don't disagree with the basics of that (heck, I already said something quite similar, lol), some of the comments you grouped together don't work within that statement. Who is setting a non-native species free somewhere it doesn't belong? It happens all the time, throughout the continental US...it doesn't matter if it is released, abandoned, or escaped, it certainly isn't restricted to FL. They don't live, they can't become a non-native pest. While they would not survive long term in the environments found throughout the country, they can often live for a while (the actual longevity would depend on where and when). During that period, they could certainly meet the criteria for injurious wildlife (or possibly pest)...but, in most cases they would die in well under a year - no reproduction, no extended life/hazard, no cost to eradicate. States already have their own controls on venomous animals.Some do, yes...just like some already have controls on large constrictors, but I don't see your point.
Some irresponsible jerk walking down the highway with a 14' burmese (true story) should have a real good reason for doing so or be fined, but it shouldn't be an open door for federal regulation.
That was irresponsible, and that person was likely keeping the snake illegally (without a permit)...in fact, I am fairly certain he was. That makes it another poor choice to bring up, because it would reflect that people willfully violate the State laws that we are suggesting in place of this change. If those laws will not achieve the desired purpose, how can we rationally expect them to be accepted as a remedy for the existing problem in FL?

Imagine the poor folk in Delaware that love herps. Where are they going to get a wide-spread variety of animals once the laws expand. Perhaps the laws will recess. Always a possibility, right?
I think we both know that the time to address this is before it is a law...changing something that has passed is highly unlikely

True, not all species will be included, but as soon as they say, "Some" they will eventually mean, "All"
In this case, I find that doubtful

I am as against this as any person reading these forums, but I think people need to get past the knee jerk responses. I looked at a couple of the videos on YouTube - and the stuff I saw seemed to be predicated on a misunderstanding. The result will be a bunch of people pissed off about something that has not even been stated in the article/proposal, and a bunch of letters going in that have little or nothing to do with the information being sought, and a bunch of useless commentary. (yeah, go ahead, tell them to get drugs off the street THEN worry about the impact of large constrictors in the Everglades; or that this is America, home of the free, and this would impinge upon our rights. Give me a freakin' break people)
 
IF this should go into play it would be detrimental for us all. This proposal really has no merit. If people want to release animals in the wild, will this actually stop them? How many people drove to Florida to release their large snake? If they were lazy enough not to want to find proper care for their animal then they were lazy enough to open the back door and just let it go. Not drive it across state lines. Think about the impact it would have.....anyone that buys animals, anyone that sells animals, anyone that goes to shows, anyone that sells at shows, anyone that promotes and runs shows. We could kiss Daytona, NARBC, and smaller shows good bye. Many of the vendors come from out of state, many of the customers come from out of state. As much as I love my colubrids and leopard geckos, their sales would not support me vending out of state.

Also the repercussions of inbreeding would be seen eventually. If there are only 100 species of a particular animal in the state, then eventually you're going to run out of new blood lines. We would also see state specific market value. If person A was the only one with Pieds then person A could sell those pieds for 6,000 each. Not very fair for the customer, probably pretty good if you were person A.

However, the important thing to remember is if someone is going to make a statement. Please make it sound professional and educated. The last thing that this community needs is for the federal government to have more fuel to add.
 
I have a question I didnt see answered, if (god forbid) this ban is passed, when would it come into effect?
 
Alisyn,

I have a question I didnt see answered, if (god forbid) this ban is passed, when would it come into effect?

No one can answer that question at this point.

Regards.
 
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