homegrownherps
New member
Audry...
You forgot to mention DEATH THREATS !
audrypayne said:
You forgot to mention DEATH THREATS !
-
Responding to email notices you receive.
**************************************************
In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.
Fl.International Reptile Show?
- Thread starter rad2217
- Start date
audrypayne
New member
From Tonys' newsletter:
Joann Johnson of Once Bitten Exotics has been hired to market and advertise the South Carolina Reptile & Exotic Animal Show as well as our six other shows. Joanne, has extensive marketing and advertising background and we will be promoting this show even more than ever before.
Congratulations Joann. I'm sure you'll do a great job.
Joann Johnson of Once Bitten Exotics has been hired to market and advertise the South Carolina Reptile & Exotic Animal Show as well as our six other shows. Joanne, has extensive marketing and advertising background and we will be promoting this show even more than ever before.
Congratulations Joann. I'm sure you'll do a great job.
eric adrignola
New member
Well, I have to take issue: there's absolutly nothing wrong with doing it just for the money. That's not the problem here. Personally, I'm not in it for the money - if I were, I'd sure as hell not keep the chameleons I do!
I really REALLY wish things would go ok for Tony. That means I wish Tony would straighten things out with everyone. I don't see it happening, but that's what I wish would happen.
If he was in it purely for the money, no problem - that was his buisness. If a promoter is in it for other reasons, like education or just plain enjoyment of the hobby - take it as a bonus. If the promoter is honest, their reasons are of no concern, as long as they put on a good show in an honest manner.
I really REALLY wish things would go ok for Tony. That means I wish Tony would straighten things out with everyone. I don't see it happening, but that's what I wish would happen.
If he was in it purely for the money, no problem - that was his buisness. If a promoter is in it for other reasons, like education or just plain enjoyment of the hobby - take it as a bonus. If the promoter is honest, their reasons are of no concern, as long as they put on a good show in an honest manner.
audrypayne
New member
I partially agree with you Eric. I think it's okay to be in it for the money if you sell other things that are not live animals. The people with a true passion for reptiles will have healthier animals. They are given better care because the well-being of the animal is top priority. The price for the animals are not reduced to make a quick sale before the animal dies. I find the vendors in the $$$ category disgusting. Animal cruelty is what it really is.
eric adrignola
New member
I think there's three categories of vendors:
1. $$$ people. Don't care, don't know anything about the animals, dont' care to know - just make money.
2. $$ people. They have a passion, but they sell for profit, and the depend on the income. They enjoy working with at least some of the animals they sell, and would keep them even f they weren't selling them.
3. $ people. They do it for fun. They also hope to make a profit. Maybe just to finance their hobby.
1. $$$ people. Don't care, don't know anything about the animals, dont' care to know - just make money.
2. $$ people. They have a passion, but they sell for profit, and the depend on the income. They enjoy working with at least some of the animals they sell, and would keep them even f they weren't selling them.
3. $ people. They do it for fun. They also hope to make a profit. Maybe just to finance their hobby.
rad2217
Hockey Bay USA
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2005
- Messages
- 108
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 0
- Age
- 57
- Location
- Florida soon to be Tennessee
Its wed.,show is on the calender.
For all those vending good luck.I hope you all do well despite all those lookers,hopefully some will buy.All won't be totally lost for those with free tables.
For all those vending good luck.I hope you all do well despite all those lookers,hopefully some will buy.All won't be totally lost for those with free tables.
audrypayne
New member
He still has the extra long list of exhibitors on his website. Saying that they were at the last Greenville show. Only 21 vendors was there. I know because I was one of them. Isn't that false advertising?
homegrownherps
New member
Can he ever be trusted again ?
I see things posted on the BOI about people getting ripped off just one time, and the vendor/seller is never trusted again.
How many people does Tony have to do wrong to/rip off before he's no longer trusted?
Some people STILL swear that has done no wrong and/or are still placing the blame on Alex !
I see things posted on the BOI about people getting ripped off just one time, and the vendor/seller is never trusted again.
How many people does Tony have to do wrong to/rip off before he's no longer trusted?
Some people STILL swear that has done no wrong and/or are still placing the blame on Alex !
audrypayne
New member
Alex is a great guy. I've only done one show for him, & that was Raleigh last year. Alex made sure his vendors were well taken care of. There wasn't a huge crowd of people there, but the ones that came in were there to buy.
homegrownherps
New member
I agree, I have done several of Alex's show over the past few years in Tampa, Orlando and in North Carolina. And as long as I have enough animals for the tables I will continue to do his shows. I really didn't have anything to complain about at those events, they were very well run.
audrypayne
New member
It amazes me that people are still sinking $$$ into Tonys' shows. I really hate it for the vendors. But have not they all been told over & over again about the shady dealings? I've been asked by a friend not to post any more until after the shows, for fear of hurting the vendors. If I would have never posted anything, the damage would have still been done. This should be a lesson to all. You have to be careful where your money is spent. However, I would still like to wish everyone involved the best of luck.
Suncoast Herpetological
Lurking in the Shadows
Just for the record!
As I did with an earlier post made on the Tampa Show Wars thread, I hesitated and thought long and hard before deciding to make this post. After all, Alex’s March show has come and gone and was a resounding success. What possible reason is there to prolong this dispute? What can it gain me but a more secure seat in the ongoing turmoil?
What finally made me decide to make this post was a couple of recent conversations with fellow breeders. As most who read here know, I came out squarely on Alex’s side in this dispute. I have known both Tony and Alex for several years and, as a result have been privy to a lot of the back story that has not been available to the public.
Since the show, I have contacted and been contacted by over a dozen fellow breeders / vendors and the resounding majority of the support has been pro Alex.. But what disturbed me most was a couple of the breeders who, without any particular reason, stated that they were going to support Tony basically out of blind loyalty and, for lack of a better word, his longevity in the business.
Folks, I am a big fan of loyalty. A lot of you reading know that I was a supporter of Mr. Cueto long after he ceased to deserve that support. I freely used phrases like “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” and “If we are working the shows he deserves our support 100%”. The problem with that sort of mind set is that you can suddenly wake up one morning and realize you are supporting the wrong side without having the facts.
For the past few months, Tony has spent the majority of his time trying to do anything possible to undermine Alex’s show and attempt to promote his own. The disturbing thing is that the method he chose to use was a string of bald faced lies. My main purpose in writing this post is to illustrate to the few folks out there who are still supporting him without the facts exactly who and what they are supporting
The quotes following are taken from either Emails that have been circulated or from postings made over the past few months on Tony’s website
This was the first piece of misinformation Tony posted. I won’t spend much time on it except to say that Alex, Gino and Tony himself all verified to me that no such signed agreement ever existed. After verifying this to me directly, Tony continued to post that the signed agreement existed for another 2 months.
.
Lie number two. The law firm that Tony stated he had hired , when contacted with questions regarding the proceedings, stated that he was not a client and that they were not working on any injunction. This crap was concocted for the sole purpose of scaring vendors and customers away from the show. Amazing that a man who claims to be pro vendor thought nothing about manufacturing a blatant lie to damage attendance and sales at the show.
Lie number three
Approximately two weeks prior to the Tampa Show, Tony posted something new on his website stating that he received a letter from Alex claiming that he had very few vendors and that he thought his show was going to be a failure. I am paraphrasing this as it is one of the few statements I do not have a direct copy of. The amusing thing is that the letter Tony referred to was a Cease and Desist Letter sent to him by Alex’s attorney that simply stated if Tony did not remove all of the slanderous and false statements he had made regarding Alex from his site and issue a retraction, he would be sued for damages.
Magically, within 24 hours, all of the comments were removed and a half assed apology was posted.
In addition, he has managed to attack virtually every other promoter out there at one time or another. For some reason, Tony seems to think that once he does a show in an area, the city belongs to him by manifest destiny. This is not the first time he has blindly attacked Alex. Then there was the Cathy Elrod incident. There is also a promoter in Atlanta he is at odds with. The funniest thing is that he claims Alex operates out of ego. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. No accountability and it is all someone else’s fault. That is Tony’s credo
This one is my favorite
For those who have worked both Alex’s and Tony’s shows, this is the biggest joke of all. Alex’s shows are organized, vendor friendly, and if a problem does arise, it is attended to immediately. He is always professional and thinks of the vendors and the show first.
At virtually every one of Tony’s shows over the past several years, the only constant has been the chaos. No air conditioning or lights during set up, no table assignments done. No vendor packs prepared His shows have been deteriorating for the past few years what with the game of musical venues in Atlanta last year and a late opening at the Carolina show.
What a lot of you seem to forget is that the good and well run shows Tony used to promote were successful for one reason, Alex was running them. Once they severed ties, that was the end of any semblance of professionalism and organization at any of the Southeastern Shows. It amazes me that so many seem to forget and overlook this.
On the issue of character, I believe that with the exception of one post here on Fauna, Alex has remained professional and above boards in his comments
The following are a few selective excerpts from postings and Emails that have made the rounds from Tony
The above is a real gem
I guess it filters down to a decision as to who you want to align yourself with and have you name linked to in this industry. I, and a lot of others have made a decision based on the reprehensible way that Tony has behaved in this situation over the last few months. I guess it surprises me that others seem to be unwilling to do the same.
This will be my last post on this subject as I have said all I felt compelled to say.
For the vendors working Clearwater, Good luck and I wish you well.
As I did with an earlier post made on the Tampa Show Wars thread, I hesitated and thought long and hard before deciding to make this post. After all, Alex’s March show has come and gone and was a resounding success. What possible reason is there to prolong this dispute? What can it gain me but a more secure seat in the ongoing turmoil?
What finally made me decide to make this post was a couple of recent conversations with fellow breeders. As most who read here know, I came out squarely on Alex’s side in this dispute. I have known both Tony and Alex for several years and, as a result have been privy to a lot of the back story that has not been available to the public.
Since the show, I have contacted and been contacted by over a dozen fellow breeders / vendors and the resounding majority of the support has been pro Alex.. But what disturbed me most was a couple of the breeders who, without any particular reason, stated that they were going to support Tony basically out of blind loyalty and, for lack of a better word, his longevity in the business.
Folks, I am a big fan of loyalty. A lot of you reading know that I was a supporter of Mr. Cueto long after he ceased to deserve that support. I freely used phrases like “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” and “If we are working the shows he deserves our support 100%”. The problem with that sort of mind set is that you can suddenly wake up one morning and realize you are supporting the wrong side without having the facts.
For the past few months, Tony has spent the majority of his time trying to do anything possible to undermine Alex’s show and attempt to promote his own. The disturbing thing is that the method he chose to use was a string of bald faced lies. My main purpose in writing this post is to illustrate to the few folks out there who are still supporting him without the facts exactly who and what they are supporting
The quotes following are taken from either Emails that have been circulated or from postings made over the past few months on Tony’s website
This was the first piece of misinformation Tony posted. I won’t spend much time on it except to say that Alex, Gino and Tony himself all verified to me that no such signed agreement ever existed. After verifying this to me directly, Tony continued to post that the signed agreement existed for another 2 months.
.
.
Lie number two. The law firm that Tony stated he had hired , when contacted with questions regarding the proceedings, stated that he was not a client and that they were not working on any injunction. This crap was concocted for the sole purpose of scaring vendors and customers away from the show. Amazing that a man who claims to be pro vendor thought nothing about manufacturing a blatant lie to damage attendance and sales at the show.
Lie number three
Approximately two weeks prior to the Tampa Show, Tony posted something new on his website stating that he received a letter from Alex claiming that he had very few vendors and that he thought his show was going to be a failure. I am paraphrasing this as it is one of the few statements I do not have a direct copy of. The amusing thing is that the letter Tony referred to was a Cease and Desist Letter sent to him by Alex’s attorney that simply stated if Tony did not remove all of the slanderous and false statements he had made regarding Alex from his site and issue a retraction, he would be sued for damages.
Magically, within 24 hours, all of the comments were removed and a half assed apology was posted.
In addition, he has managed to attack virtually every other promoter out there at one time or another. For some reason, Tony seems to think that once he does a show in an area, the city belongs to him by manifest destiny. This is not the first time he has blindly attacked Alex. Then there was the Cathy Elrod incident. There is also a promoter in Atlanta he is at odds with. The funniest thing is that he claims Alex operates out of ego. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. No accountability and it is all someone else’s fault. That is Tony’s credo
This one is my favorite
,
For those who have worked both Alex’s and Tony’s shows, this is the biggest joke of all. Alex’s shows are organized, vendor friendly, and if a problem does arise, it is attended to immediately. He is always professional and thinks of the vendors and the show first.
At virtually every one of Tony’s shows over the past several years, the only constant has been the chaos. No air conditioning or lights during set up, no table assignments done. No vendor packs prepared His shows have been deteriorating for the past few years what with the game of musical venues in Atlanta last year and a late opening at the Carolina show.
What a lot of you seem to forget is that the good and well run shows Tony used to promote were successful for one reason, Alex was running them. Once they severed ties, that was the end of any semblance of professionalism and organization at any of the Southeastern Shows. It amazes me that so many seem to forget and overlook this.
On the issue of character, I believe that with the exception of one post here on Fauna, Alex has remained professional and above boards in his comments
The following are a few selective excerpts from postings and Emails that have made the rounds from Tony
The above is a real gem
I guess it filters down to a decision as to who you want to align yourself with and have you name linked to in this industry. I, and a lot of others have made a decision based on the reprehensible way that Tony has behaved in this situation over the last few months. I guess it surprises me that others seem to be unwilling to do the same.
This will be my last post on this subject as I have said all I felt compelled to say.
For the vendors working Clearwater, Good luck and I wish you well.
Last edited:
homegrownherps
New member
audrypayne
New member
Bravo! Bravo! Very well written. Hopefully the blind ones will see the light.
eric adrignola
New member
Anyone heard form Alex, I've been trying to get in touch with him about doing a chameleon show in Raleigh?
John, you said some things that just needed to be said.
I feel the need to be counted in support of your courage.
I certainly don’t wish the Clearwater vendors a bad show.
Still. At what point does one say “enough. I have to stand up for what’s right”?
Tony has lied to my face and I know for a fact he has lied on his website and in the E-mails.
I know this, you see, because he asked me to verify one of those lies.
I decided not to. Yes, he had bribes aplenty for me as well.
This is not my opinion. I state it as a fact. The man is not honest.
Perhaps what hurts here most is there are still a handful of people that are critical of whatever Alex has done.
When is it simply hypocritical to support a man you know is dishonest while criticizing another who has not wronged you?
How do you support a man who threatens to go to a venue and SHOOT PEOPLE!
Are you insane?
He’s threatened to kill Alex and how many of you were pressured for years about losing Tony’s support if you did another show?
Some have sold their dignity for the price of a few tables.
Many of us have taken a stand that we simply value ourselves enough that we will not be dealt with so dishonestly and dishonorably.
This area will not flourish with 2 shows.
We can vote with our $$'s for tables.
It's time to decide exactly what kind of a show you want.
I would rather deal with someone I can trust. I have been lied to for the last time.
What about you?
Remember if you are a Clearwater vendor, your name was found on the same web site that these quotes were published on. Are you proud of the image it represents?
Bravo John for having the courage to speak the truth.
I can assure you these E-Mails he quotes are real and there are far worse.
Things we just couldn’t print here.
Think about it. Do the right thing.
Take Care,
Gino
I feel the need to be counted in support of your courage.
I certainly don’t wish the Clearwater vendors a bad show.
Still. At what point does one say “enough. I have to stand up for what’s right”?
Tony has lied to my face and I know for a fact he has lied on his website and in the E-mails.
I know this, you see, because he asked me to verify one of those lies.
I decided not to. Yes, he had bribes aplenty for me as well.
This is not my opinion. I state it as a fact. The man is not honest.
Perhaps what hurts here most is there are still a handful of people that are critical of whatever Alex has done.
When is it simply hypocritical to support a man you know is dishonest while criticizing another who has not wronged you?
How do you support a man who threatens to go to a venue and SHOOT PEOPLE!
Are you insane?
He’s threatened to kill Alex and how many of you were pressured for years about losing Tony’s support if you did another show?
Some have sold their dignity for the price of a few tables.
Many of us have taken a stand that we simply value ourselves enough that we will not be dealt with so dishonestly and dishonorably.
This area will not flourish with 2 shows.
We can vote with our $$'s for tables.
It's time to decide exactly what kind of a show you want.
I would rather deal with someone I can trust. I have been lied to for the last time.
What about you?
Remember if you are a Clearwater vendor, your name was found on the same web site that these quotes were published on. Are you proud of the image it represents?
Bravo John for having the courage to speak the truth.
I can assure you these E-Mails he quotes are real and there are far worse.
Things we just couldn’t print here.
Think about it. Do the right thing.
Take Care,
Gino
audrypayne
New member
I can understand why some people still stand behind him. He has a way of turning things around to make him look like the innocent victim. I, myself was once fooled. I had some contact with him right before his last Atlanta show. Once he admitted HIS OWN mistakes at poor planning, I had thought maybe he had actually changed.
He still has it on his website(marketing page) a guarantee to the vendors about a reimbursement of space fees. I encourage all involved to read this guarantee. I had pointed out the fact that the Greenville show was falsely advertised, yet I received no refund. Lies & more lies. This man would cut his own mother's throat if he thought it would make him money. And to all the vendors at Clearwater, I sure hope you enjoy the charm & sugar-coating that I'm sure you'll get at the upcoming show. He'll try to be everyone's best friend. Boo-hoo innocent victim crap.
He still has it on his website(marketing page) a guarantee to the vendors about a reimbursement of space fees. I encourage all involved to read this guarantee. I had pointed out the fact that the Greenville show was falsely advertised, yet I received no refund. Lies & more lies. This man would cut his own mother's throat if he thought it would make him money. And to all the vendors at Clearwater, I sure hope you enjoy the charm & sugar-coating that I'm sure you'll get at the upcoming show. He'll try to be everyone's best friend. Boo-hoo innocent victim crap.
rad2217
Hockey Bay USA
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2005
- Messages
- 108
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 0
- Age
- 57
- Location
- Florida soon to be Tennessee
As a newcomer to vending,and one who has attended many shows as a customer to many of You.It is easy for Me to see where to place My alliegence.With Alex & Roark putting on steller shows,Is there room for sub-standard shows?
It is My hope to be apart of a unified & prosperous "Herp Family" trying to promote (what We have the priviledge of doing) Most of Our, hobbies & To make money doing it.
Looking forward to doing just that!
It is My hope to be apart of a unified & prosperous "Herp Family" trying to promote (what We have the priviledge of doing) Most of Our, hobbies & To make money doing it.
Looking forward to doing just that!
homegrownherps
New member
Quality ???
Its plain to see that, at this point Tony will allow just about anyone to sell at one of his shows. So with that said, what kind of quality will you be seeing in the animals being sold at his show?
This is not directed to any one in particular, and certainly all of the vendors are not placed in this catagory. JMO
Its plain to see that, at this point Tony will allow just about anyone to sell at one of his shows. So with that said, what kind of quality will you be seeing in the animals being sold at his show?
This is not directed to any one in particular, and certainly all of the vendors are not placed in this catagory. JMO
audrypayne
New member
I have seen way too many sick or dead animals for sale at his shows. Even one of his sponsors had sick, skinny, dehydrated animals for sale with pictures on their website. A quick search on the BOI is all you'll need. As for the so-called friend that asked me not to post- I never told you that I wouldn't, but gave you reasons why I should. So I didn't go back on my word. A true friend would not have asked me to keep quiet. That would be equivalent to supporting Tonys crap. If you'd like to support him, fine. But I make my own choices and my opinion apparently varies from yours.