Florida Passes Ban On large Snakes

[Yaz23]

Holy ! I didnt know about this "ban". Wow... I never thought an actual BAN would happen; just the use of the ROC permit. This is rediculous.

This is what happens when dumb irresponsible morons come out to play in our hobby. "Oh I want a BIG snake, because I want to show it off and be the bad ass person who has the biggest one" :SLAP: to the face of that person!

I truly hope this doesnt go through. I dont even own any of the species involving this ban but hope it doesnt happen. Everyone who owns those species I assume will have to sell them all? How would they know if people were keeping them anyway? Oh wait I know! Little children will start missing from houses and we'll blame all the retics and afrocks for that!

 

[bear]

I agree with Seth. Fight it to the end and if it still goes through, keep your reptiles securely and responsibley and dont comply with the legislation. Florida is in bad shape, I highly doubt there will be any muscle behind this legislation. This is probably going to be just look at what i did effect for politicians. Either way, some of us in the industry are going to be put in the position to either take our lumps and stand up for our industry or lay down and set presidents for more legislation. We owe this to our hobby and America. I am proud of Constitutional America and the values it stood for, but the America we are heading towards and may already be living in is borderline disgraceful. It will take people like our founding fathers to stand up and change that. I would love to say I am proud of my country again.

 

[Melinda]

This just in...

NO MORE PET ROCKS!

...On April 30, 2010, the U.S. Senate and House voted on a bill that could prohibit the ownership, sale, and interstate transport of all rocks & stones. Government officials are concerned that exotic species of rocks could inadvertently be released into American ecosystems and potentially threaten certain rock types currently protected.

"People have been keeping these rocks for years, but don't realize how dangerous they can actually be,' says a representative of the Dept of Conservation & Natural Resources, "There are several forms of small pebbles & stones, but some rocks can be quite enormous, usually referred to as boulders. These boulders are heavy, and require more than one person to move. An unwary person could stub their toe on one, or the rock could actually roll over and crush them unexpectantly for no reason. These are NOT pets."

Several geoculturist groups (hobbyists who breed and raise rocks, stones & boulders) are adamantly protesting this bill. "This bill could effectively destroy 30% of the world's economy," comments rock lobbyist Stanely Stone of the United States Association of Rock Keepers (USARK), "Many hobbyists enjoy the relatively easy care of pet rocks compared to other animals. Also, it is common practice to introduce rocks into enclosures of other animals for decoration, as all rocks co-exist peacefully with other pets. Geoculture represents about 33% of the pet industry, and even more for agricultural & industrial use. The Bill is not founded on anything scientific."

Many government officials disagree with Stone's statements, and comment that in addition to their other concerns, rocks and stones could also be used as projectile weapons (often being hurled or thrown at an another person) and therefore, are not safe for human possession.

Oh crap!! I've got rocks everywhere. Well, they can pry them from my cold dead hands, just like my guns. lol

IMO they should let more large constrictors go in florida to take care of the feral cat problem. haha
05-06-2010 03:37 PM

I thought gators would take care of that.

I'm confused, don't gators pose the same risks as large snakes?

 

[brd7666]

I'm confused, don't gators pose the same risks as large snakes?

Gators are native, burms are not.

 

[redhood23]

The ban is major b.s. I moved from fla about 3 years ago, used to go herping all the time. the only non native animal i found were cats, cuban treefrogs, knight anoles, cane toads(which are now considered to be somewhat native)

 

[Southern Wolf]

This just in...

NO MORE PET ROCKS!

...On April 30, 2010, the U.S. Senate and House voted on a bill that could prohibit the ownership, sale, and interstate transport of all rocks & stones. Government officials are concerned that exotic species of rocks could inadvertently be released into American ecosystems and potentially threaten certain rock types currently protected.

"People have been keeping these rocks for years, but don't realize how dangerous they can actually be,' says a representative of the Dept of Conservation & Natural Resources, "There are several forms of small pebbles & stones, but some rocks can be quite enormous, usually referred to as boulders. These boulders are heavy, and require more than one person to move. An unwary person could stub their toe on one, or the rock could actually roll over and crush them unexpectantly for no reason. These are NOT pets."

Several geoculturist groups (hobbyists who breed and raise rocks, stones & boulders) are adamantly protesting this bill. "This bill could effectively destroy 30% of the world's economy," comments rock lobbyist Stanely Stone of the United States Association of Rock Keepers (USARK), "Many hobbyists enjoy the relatively easy care of pet rocks compared to other animals. Also, it is common practice to introduce rocks into enclosures of other animals for decoration, as all rocks co-exist peacefully with other pets. Geoculture represents about 33% of the pet industry, and even more for agricultural & industrial use. The Bill is not founded on anything scientific."

Many government officials disagree with Stone's statements, and comment that in addition to their other concerns, rocks and stones could also be used as projectile weapons (often being hurled or thrown at an another person) and therefore, are not safe for human possession.

Now thats the Mike I know..... .

 

[jasbus]

You know, the sad thing is, nobody ever brings up all the animals that got loose during Hurricane Andrew. I mean, there were hundreds of animals loose after the hurricane. Hum, that was when??? 92? Gee, I wonder if that may have anything to do with this as well... I remember the stories of lions and monkeys loose for crying out loud.
I just can't imagine that many people are letting their pet burms loose. I know there are morons out there doing it, but come on...

Personally, I don't sell large snake species to anyone who doesn't know what they're doing. I sell a ton of balls, corns, etc, but if you want a burm from my shop, you've got to convince me first.
I receive snakes all the time from people who are sick of them, or "are moving". They're not letting them go, at least not around here.

Having said that, and just moved out of Florida two years ago, I have to say, that they do need to do something about it.
Maybe they'll do the same as they did on feral hogs, I mean, they're all but gone now, right?

 

[gszoo]

I completely agree! Feral cat populations should be actively hunted just like burmese pythons are now in FL...
cats should get microchiped, and free-roaming or feral cats found with microchips, should result in owners being held accountable.
Want a Burm? Get a permit and microchip/register it.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

The ban is major b.s. I moved from fla about 3 years ago, used to go herping all the time. the only non native animal i found were cats, cuban treefrogs, knight anoles, cane toads(which are now considered to be somewhat native)

the cuban treefrogs have taken over the middle-east coast. Unfortunately it seems that the native species of tree-frogs are very high up on their choice of prey. As adults they can be almost as big as bullfrogs with a similar appetite. They are a serious problem, but they make great pets and adapt quickly to captivity. I was filling buckets with them for a while and just giving them to people as pets.

just to give you an idea of their size at adulthood, here is mine:

 

[RogerProws]

Don't stand for...


The Florida Fish And Wildlife Service does not have the personel or the desire to enforce this law.

Do as you please. But, I will never bend to the will of our corrupt government. When good, practical science is thrown out for "hog-wash" and polictical agendas, I do not heed.

Force them to deal with the fact that they just created another "underground" culture.

It worked with prohibition, so why not?

Reptile mafia?

 

[Strike_Force_Reptiles]

i agree, we call call ourselve reptafia
lol sounds like a new candy bar dont it lol

 

[Vypyrz]

Well, apparently something got signed into law. The news report isn't too specific and haven't heard anything from USARK yet...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/03/1662386/crist-signs-fla-python-ban-ephedrine.html

Does anyone have any info on this?

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Also I was told those with ROC permits will be grandfathered in. Any info on that?

 

[Piratepythons]

I agree with Seth. Fight it to the end and if it still goes through, keep your reptiles securely and responsibley and dont comply with the legislation. Florida is in bad shape, I highly doubt there will be any muscle behind this legislation. This is probably going to be just look at what i did effect for politicians. Either way, some of us in the industry are going to be put in the position to either take our lumps and stand up for our industry or lay down and set presidents for more legislation. We owe this to our hobby and America. I am proud of Constitutional America and the values it stood for, but the America we are heading towards and may already be living in is borderline disgraceful. It will take people like our founding fathers to stand up and change that. I would love to say I am proud of my country again.

Here here We need to remember the principals and values that America was founded on It was not created for the government to dictate what animals we can keep or how can we make it so people who will not work because they are lazy sorry individuals can have everything that want to make their lives even easier Also when will the government realize that bans dont work Look at illegal drugs, guns, and immigrants 'ur government cant enforce the bans they hAve now what makes them think they can control the animals we keep I for one will never give up any of the animals I keep because the government says so but that is just ME

 

[TheVipersHouse]

This just in...

NO MORE PET ROCKS!

...On April 30, 2010, the U.S. Senate and House voted on a bill that could prohibit the ownership, sale, and interstate transport of all rocks & stones. Government officials are concerned that exotic species of rocks could inadvertently be released into American ecosystems and potentially threaten certain rock types currently protected.

"People have been keeping these rocks for years, but don't realize how dangerous they can actually be,' says a representative of the Dept of Conservation & Natural Resources, "There are several forms of small pebbles & stones, but some rocks can be quite enormous, usually referred to as boulders. These boulders are heavy, and require more than one person to move. An unwary person could stub their toe on one, or the rock could actually roll over and crush them unexpectantly for no reason. These are NOT pets."

Several geoculturist groups (hobbyists who breed and raise rocks, stones & boulders) are adamantly protesting this bill. "This bill could effectively destroy 30% of the world's economy," comments rock lobbyist Stanely Stone of the United States Association of Rock Keepers (USARK), "Many hobbyists enjoy the relatively easy care of pet rocks compared to other animals. Also, it is common practice to introduce rocks into enclosures of other animals for decoration, as all rocks co-exist peacefully with other pets. Geoculture represents about 33% of the pet industry, and even more for agricultural & industrial use. The Bill is not founded on anything scientific."

Many government officials disagree with Stone's statements, and comment that in addition to their other concerns, rocks and stones could also be used as projectile weapons (often being hurled or thrown at an another person) and therefore, are not safe for human possession.

OMFG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i almost pissed myself while reading this ..

Great job and done so real like .. excellent i needed a good laugh today ..

 

[Hybridbird]

ROCs

Also I was told those with ROC permits will be grandfathered in. Any info on that?

Yes, people who already have ROC permits will be able to keep what they currently have,but won't be able to add anything new.

 

[SnakeEyesExotics]

Can't seem to find it anywhere, but are boa constrictors on the list? If so, that means that nobody can ship boas to Florida either, right?

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Can't seem to find it anywhere, but are boa constrictors on the list? If so, that means that nobody can ship boas to Florida either, right?

Yeah, I've heard the list has been edited to include all 4 species of Anaconda. Those are the only Boas I heard mentioned though.

On the list as it stands now on the FWC website only Green Anacondas are included.


this is the current list off their site:

Indian or Burmese python (Python molurus)
Reticulated python (Python reticulatus)
African rock python (Python sebae)
Amethystine or Scrub python (Morelia amethistinus)
Green anaconda (Eunectes murinus)
Nile monitor (Varanus niloticus)

 

[Hybridbird]

That is the complete list as of now. They are meeting in Lake Mary today to remove all 6 from the list of Reptiles of Concern and add them all to the list of Conditional Species.

http://myfwc.com/commission/2010/Comm_10_AgendaJun.htm

Common Boas are not on the list...........................................................yet.

However,the way that the new law is written, it gives FWC the authority to add any species to the list that they deem necessary and won't have to pass another bill to do it. Watch and see how quickly the list grows after someone who "knows someone" finds a Boa or Ball in their yard or some other place that they think it shouldn't be, this is only the beginning.

 

[TIIRX7]

As of 7/1/2010 the Ban on the six species of concern has been passed in Florida. If you currently have a license to possess you will be allowed to keep the animals you have until they die. For those who want to get a retic or a burm after 7/1/2010 there will be no more license's issued, further it will be illigal to import or export them through Florida. If you have a class 3 license you can still breed and sell burms' and retics out of state per info I received this morning from Fl fish and wildlife.

This is all government propaganda to continually control your freedoms in this country. Florida as well as Federal legislators have ignored the sound scientific data that has been presented to them, because their agenda is to compleatly control your right to own a particular pet, and for that matter every aspect of your life as an American citizen. They have affectivly made criminals out of hundred's of thousand law abiding citizens in Florida. The ignorance and stupidity of Government officials knows no bounds. The tyranny of Government will only succeed if we the people stand back and do nothing to stop it.