It just doesn't wash Dan. Find me one other person out there who has been involved in this hobby for 10 years or more and specializes in Hots and does not know that it is illegal to ship through the big three and I may believe your crap.....not until. Wrong assumptions and additional misleading statements again John. I do not specialize in hots. I have many more nonvenomous plus many rare monitors and lizards. At the time of my trade with Mike Clark, my venomous license was active for less than one year, and I've kept hots in Indonesia and as a teenager when there was no permit system and never needed to buy a hot before via mail as I found them or went down the road and bought them. Further, I did indeed think it was illegal at the time, and that is why I suggested Delta to Mike Clark. He emailed UPS shipping data the evening he shipped, and I checked with my boss who confirmed my suspicion that it was illegal, so what is the point of your misleading and false statements and false assumptions? Have more wrong assumptions? Oh below:
And you never thought to ask Ben's advice? Again.....crap! Advice about what? I spoke to Mike Clark, a venomous dealer, and he suggested UPS and I suggested Delta. What is your point? What are you misleading to with that statement? Ben does not deal venomous. This was my transaction and he never knew it ever happened until weeks afterward when I asked him to take a photo. Your analysis and assumptions are wrong again John.
Two points here. One, It is interesting that you say you "received" several unhealthy and imperfect animals over the last thirty years. I find it odd that you hand picked unhealthy imperfect animals. It would be logical to surmise that these animals were shipped to you. But wait.....you have only had two animals shipped to you. Strange choice of words Dan Wrong assumption again John. Not only have I hand picked dozens of sick animals for the sake of curing them, I have bought them because I do not like the way they are being housed, and I have bought them because I witnessed them being mishandled. I am a very kind hearted person and if I see an animals being neglected or abused, I buy it to help it. Do not believe it? Does not factor at all into this thread or situation and that may be odd to you, but is considered humanitarian to many others. Further, several wholesalers throw reptiles at me for free simply because they know I will take good care of them. And their benefit: They sometimes get the snake back healthy or free offspring if I am able to breed it. Any further misleading assumptions John? Oh below:
And again we have the statement of "deadly disease" I examined Ben's post and it seems that the only eyewitness that posted on your behalf stated that if the animal was shipped ground it could very possibly have been alive when shipped. He also made no mention of any visible "disease" symptoms at all. Melodaram and selective perception Dan, palin and simple. State the facts...not your inane and unsustantiated opinions in order to intensify the situation. Wrong again John, I stated earlier the Ben saw it weeks later after it had been frozen. I am not going to comment on what Ben said as he is my friend, but he only saw it for a nano second when he took a picture of it weeks later and it was frozen and he did not examine it or could not smell it. If it is not obvious to you and you do not possess the common sense to realize that a large reptile business dealer sees about a thousand snakes a day, and if you were to ask them to recall one specific animal six months ago, and that may be difficult for them, then your common sense needs an adjustment. It was his spouse and other employees and my associates who saw the dead and diseased ridden snake the same day and hour I received it. And I have pictures taken on the same day and hour I received it. If I send you a picture of it, will you swallow it? I never said Ben was my only reference and personally, I only entered that thread to help him as he was defamed, not me. I am not a public person, so I cannot be defamed and only laugh at these insults that people think they are defaming me with as it only displays their true ignorance and stupidity. Any doubt, stop throwing false accusations and misleading statements and pick up the phone and call her. I also have several other witness to the snakes arriving dead exhibiting significant signs that it died from a deadly disease. Want to speak to them? Give me your number, or be silent in the matter. I mean, why do you think that Mike Clark admitted to sending me the money the very next day without seeing a photo of the snake? For fun? Are you blind? I mean, did you read those posts objectively or were you just trying to find more fault with me to justify your wrongful assumptions and previous attacks? And my boy, I can smell a deadly disease from across the room, so your assumptions are meaningless unless you have had benefit to experience my reptile medical practices and knowledge.
Bottom line Dan is that pretty much everyone believes you on the condition of the animals but based on the PM's and Emails I have received, you are fighting a losing battle on your assertion that you had no idea that the shipping was illegal. First off, I couldn't care less if anyone in the reptile business believe me or not. Most of you are all in bed with each other, so you can pass the vaseline. Your statements are false and misleading again. I never asserted that I had no idea that he was shipping illegally, that was YOUR false assumption. I thought it was illegal when Mike Clark emailed the shipping data indicating UPS, and I checked the next day and was informed it was. And at the time, I did not know it was illegal to ship venomous ground, so you want to pound on me for that then go ahead a do a jig on your own accord and stop bothering me about it. Do you have any further analysis of my sentences? Good. Now apologize for your false accusations, misleading statements, and wrongful assumptions.
Topshelf: Your statement is false and misleading. I never said I was not aware of how hots were shipped. I said I never shipped a hot and never received a hot before much less never received any reptile before by shipping. I was aware that Delta was used by hot shippers, and suggested it to Mike Clark who ships venomous snakes. Please do not put words in my mouth, and I will respect to not put words into yours. And I already provided the facts and a reasonable answer.
Now what the both of you two guys do not realize is that it is the EXACT type of speculation you BOTH are throwing at me is what made me fearful to report Mike Clark in the first place last year. But perhaps you are badgering for the sake of keeping your future customers from reporting problems with you? Hum? Seems as odd an assumption that you two have thrown at me?
I mean are you guys not seeing the point or are you both blind? And your attacks and speculation will only hinder other folks who wish to report similar robbery situations. Or perhaps is that your objective? What is evident on this BOI is that innocent victims of bad reptile deals come here to report it, and often they are bashed for being naive and not so well informed as most unscrupulous reptile dealers. Your both exhibiting the same behavior. You've picked an insignificant matter and have blown it out of proportion and it is actually very meaningless and irrelevant to this entire transaction with robbery and fraud. Much less, you have wasted my valuable time that I could be putting towards helping other reptiles as I have several in need of attention right now.
Do either of you have common sense? It would be hard to convince people of this transaction, so are you not getting it yet? What the hell is the matter with the both of you? Do you need a crack on the head to wake up? Now the both of you are either lack common sense, are friends of Joe Lesh, or have nothing better than to do but attack a victim of crime. Again, if you doubt that Stacy saw the diseased and dead snake the same day, the same hour it was received and if I confirmed with her that UPS was not OK for hots, then call her and come back on this forum and apologize. Otherwise your both throwing conjecture and getting no where with it and badgering me for no good reason.
I think the ONLY issue here is that you both will not admit nor concede that your statements from the beginning to the end were false and misleading and were further proved to be unjustified, demeaning, disrespectful, and harmful.
Simply admit they were wrong and move on to bigger and better issues. Sentence analyzers are not needed in this case and they are not needed in any case on the BOI. What is needed is objective non-basis opinion considering similar circumstances. Want to speak with me, then call me, 954-426-8268 or email me with your number and I will call you.
