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She's worth every penny. If the small kink in the tail is a major concern simply break it off and let it regenerate. This way it'll come back straight. I couldn't do something like that but I've heard of people doing it. I think it gives her lots of character.
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Cuban Rock Iguana... Frank Hayden
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=34&de=109771

He's also selling some absolutely anorexic looking leopard geckos.


A quote like the one above shows me that he doesn't care what happens after the sale to the animal if he's encouraging breaking off the tail once its in the buyers care.

Maybe I should start selling fat tailed leopard geckos... simply rip off the tail and it'll grow back huge and wild, be the first on your block to own one! [disclaimer] not responsible for the health of animal once you begin dismembering it [/disclaimer] :rolleyes:
 
I can't vouch for him. Only did one deal and it was fine. I do have to say that the statement sounds a little harsh???? If it's the tail tip on, i'm guessing, a Cuban Iguana..? It could be clipped and will grow back properly. If it's much above that, NO! I would just live with it. Maybe just a thought..leave it alone? Ray Goushaw HBR
 
Hi All! To respond or not to respond. First, I'd like to say I've been keeping reptiles for several years. I've sold lots of them. I care about each and every animal I have or sold. Your comment Mr Waxworm is obsurd.

The fact of the matter is I've heard of people cutting off the tail of a Cubans so It'll grow back straight. Did I do that NO! I merely made a suggestion that I've heard it being done before. It's just like docking the tail of a dog for aesthetic purposes. I dare you to go to a doberman or rottie forum and tell those dog owners they don't care about their dogs.

Secondly, the geckos that are thin that I had for sale were ones that I rescued. I bought them that way and I stated that in my ad. I also posted pic of each animal I was selling so I never mislead anyone. I didn't ask you to buy them Mr. Waxworn. I put them up for sale because I didn't have time to nurture them. I though perhaps someone might have time to give them the TLC they need.

You can say what you want about me. I do not sell reptiles for a living. So your post here has ZERO impact on me. I just think your post in premature. Perhaps you should of directed your concerns to me personally. Also, I think you should of let me know you even posted this. Fortnately, I've been a fan of the BOI for quite some time and I saw this.

Frank
 
Frank is a good guy in my book

I bought 5 baby boas from him back on 4/30/03 and they were all as he said they were fine and healthy.Was packaged well and arrived on time,And they were all much nicer than the pics showed and I had a great experince with him.I would recommend him.But thats just my 2 cents worth.And I am sorry for the spelling..:)
 
fhayden1 said:
Secondly, the geckos that are thin that I had for sale were ones that I rescued. I bought them that way and I stated that in my ad. I also posted pic of each animal I was selling so I never mislead anyone. I didn't ask you to buy them Mr. Waxworn. I put them up for sale because I didn't have time to nurture them. I though perhaps someone might have time to give them the TLC they need.
Frank
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When did you purchase these geckos? From who did you purchase them?
 
Let me add on to my last statement.



Frank Hayden- I want you to go on the record as stating who you bought the geckos from, the date of the transaction, and the condition they were recieved in.

Since you check the BOI so frequently, I'll give you one day. One day before I respond to myself.


and to respond to your comment

The fact of the matter is I've heard of people cutting off the tail of a Cubans so It'll grow back straight. Did I do that NO! I merely made a suggestion that I've heard it being done before. It's just like docking the tail of a dog for aesthetic purposes. I dare you to go to a doberman or rottie forum and tell those dog owners they don't care about their dogs.
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You are suggesting cutting off the tail of an animal even though you have implied that you do not agree with the practice. That to me states that you do not care what happens to the animal after it leaves your care. In my opinion an ethical hobbyist would do their best not to sell an animal to someone that would treat it in any way inferior to the way it was currently cared for.

The fact that you justify it by referencing another highly controversial subject and tell me to take it up with them is a pathetic way to try and avoid blame.



ONE DAY TO RESPOND TO MY INQUIRY BEFORE I POST THE TRUTH MYSELF
 
Well I know that Frank does care for his animals and his customers, I traded Frank for some Leos a couple months ago and they were very well taken care of and showed up on time and packed very well.
 
Sounds like this post has somekind of Grudge behind it?

I thought the BOI was for inquirys?I am not trying to start any trouble.I am fairly new to the boi.And now we can use the BOi for cutting down the way folks list there adds?So I guess since Hiss N Things has a Carpet for sale on the KS that is a trouble feeder and small for its age we can say that there dont care about there animals either?Nobody is perfect by no means.And I am in NO WAY saying Jim is a bad guy Him and his wife are great people they just have a snake that has been a pain and was trying to see if someone else had the time to care for it.The snake I got from jim was awesome and still is.And I have only had one dealing with Frank and it went as good as they get and the animals were all heathly.And I dont know him personaly or anything just through the deal we had and talked to him though email.So before yall jump on me I had to through that in.I just thought the BOI was not the place to fued over something or someone you havent done buisness with?I thought thats what the war room was for and if I am not mistaked it was removed?And Like I have said before thats just my 2 cents worth.
 
There is a significant difference in my mind between selling a problem feeder accurately represented and selling a "flawed" animal with the advice of mutilation in your ad.

There is a significant difference between selling troublesome animals you don't have the time to properly care for, and misrepresenting and selling off malnourished animals before you would take them to the vet.


Between selling an animal while encouraging the notion of mutilation and falsely representing animals that became sick in his care, I do believe Frank Hayden to be a bad guy.


I know the breeder that sold Frank the leopard geckos approx. four (4) months ago in perfect condition. I can vouch for the breeder and so can many people that have purchased from him.

I was waiting for permission to post that person's name before posting this. But since Frank has posted his lies and people have questioned my motivations I'll get it out in the open.
 
Steve,

Ok thats more info on the subject.I was hoping there was more to it than what was being said at first.I am not taking either side I just didnt want to see someone get ruined by no more info than was first posted.And again I wasn't trying to make anyone look bad either.Thats not my style I try and give everyone the benfit of the doubt and have paid for it too...lol..I understand were you are coming from now steve and sorry if you thought I was trying to make you out to be the bad guy.If I did I am sorry.I was just sharing my dealings with Frank.That were good by the way.And I agree with you now that I have the whole story.I would question something like that to if I knew where they cam from and what kind of shape they were in when they were purchased the first time.And sorry if I may have make anyone else mad on my post like I said before I didnt know the whole story was just going off the info that was posted.Yall have a nice day.
 
Steve

Are you sure that the leos in Franks add are the same ones that that breeder sold him. I will say again I traded Frank for some leos about 3 months ago and I got everything he add at that time. 5 adults and 3 albino babies, maybe you could be incorrect with your info.I am not trying to get on nyones bad side, but I get really burned out on reading all of the "he did" - "she did" stuff that the BOI seems to be full of sometimes. I try and get the most that I can out of this site and it's hard to filter through all the crap sometimes. None of this is pointed directly at anyone specific, just a general statement.

Best of luck to all and lets all try and stick together, especially in these times when our hobbies and business' are in troubled times.
 
I purchased animals from Frank Hayden several years ago. They were truthfully represented, and packed very well. I still have these two animals and they are to this day in excellent health. I would do business with Frank again without hesitation......................Robin O'Brien
 
Please post the information that you think you have. Apparently, you do not have accurate information because I did not obtain the tang female from a him but a her and I did not obtain the animal 4 months ago.

The bottom line is it's none of your business where I obtain any of my animals from unless you are a potential buyer or have bought from a particluar animals from me.

I do everything I can to care for all my animals. I'm not very experienced at keeping leos. I'm a boa breeder. I wrote to some of the top Leo breeders asking for advice on how to care for that leo. And I did take it to a Vet. My job is working with animals so I have access to a vet for free. After the advice of a few experienced keepers I took the leo off the ad. It's being cared for by someone with experience.

I'm not sure what's your purpose posting my name on the BOI. Are you bored and just pick random people to try to slander?

If you think I'm a bad person that's ok. I'm not asking you to buy anything from me. It's funny I don't know you from Adam but you seem to think you know me. I personally invite ANYONE that wants to buy one of my animals to come to my house to see my collection and to pick out which ever they want. I still communicate with people I sold animals to up to 3 years ago.

So think what you like. It's a free country.

Frank Hayden
 
I just want to reiterate the reason I'm not saying where I got the tang female.

I feel it no ones business unless you were going to purchase it or potentially purchase it. The other reason is it serves no purpose. If I said who I got it from then that person would be made to look bad. Which isn't the case at all.

No ones collection is flawless. People make mistakes and they hopefully learn from them. That's what this hobby is all about. Since when did Mr. Waxworm get appointed classified police?

When I posted my ad I also posted pics with the animal I was selling. I never misrepresented the animals I had for sale. That's the difference between good salesman and not so good salesman. I even invited someone to come over to look at the animal when they were interested in it. The person never came over. If you live in Tampa come on over. You'll see I have a great collection of well cared for animals.

People like Mr. Waxworm have nothing better to do than abuse the BOI and the good people in this hobby.

Now, one more topic. The reason I put the tang for sale. I wanted her to be in the care of someone more experience. That why I offered it basically for free. I didn't have time to care for it. I got to USF full time and I work full time. This tang needed continuous care.

I'm not even going to discuss Mr. Waxworms accusation regarding the Cuban Iguana. It's just silly.

Further more, I'm way to busy right now to provide Mr. Waxworm with entertainment. So I'm not going to respond anymore to this topic. People who have purchased from me in the past aren't believing a word he's writing anyway.

I'm sure if I were to dig into Mr' Waxworms past I'd pull up some interesting news but who cares really. I have better things to do with my time.

Isn't it funny how so much is happening in the world right now and all Mr. Waxworm cares about is Frank Hayden. Ah, how sweet. We have it so good in U.S that we can sit here writing such insignificant things. Whatever!

Feel free to contact me personally if you have any concerns. I'd liek to personally invite Mr. Waxworm to give me a call. My number is at the bottom of all my ads or better yet stop by if your ever in Tampa since your so concerned about how I keep or care about my animals. I'm sure my set ups will blow you away.

Frank Hayden
 
I forgot to ad, if your really bored check out the old BOI. I'm in there too :)

Thanks to all the people that are supporting me. I appreciate it.

Mr. Waxworm Wrote:
I know the breeder that sold Frank the leopard geckos approx. four (4) months ago in perfect condition. I can vouch for the breeder and so can many people that have purchased from him.

Man, I can't wait until you post your supposed info. I hope your prepared to take you medicine. I can count on one hand who I bought leos from in the past. So post away. I'm giving you notice that I'm going to contact that person personally to diffuse your allegations permanently.


The really strange thing Mr. Waxworm never bought anything from me and he's posting a bunch of jibberish.

It's late. I'm tired and I'm done with this.

Have a Happy 4th of July Everyone!
 
It's amazing that you sit here and insult me and accuse me of "slander" (why doesn't anybody take the time to look up the proper term before trying to intimidate someone with legal terms)


Mr. Hayden I would love to be proved wrong about the leos. I originally posted your quote about the Iguana and made the same sidenote about sick leos in the general business forum without naming you. Publically and privately people shared their disgust with me about the Iguana. Privately someone that is a good friend of mine contacted me to let me know the leopard geckos you were selling were sold to you by him. That's when I made the decision to bring this over here.

You say it's silly that I would be upset by your encouraging clipping the tail of a living animal. You have the right to feel that way, but your potential buyers have the right to know how you feel.


I'm sorry I made this personal from the beginning. I shouldn't have been sarcastic and I should have just stated everything I knew upfront and in an impartial manner. I am not sorry I posted though. I hope you will accept that.
 
hmmmmmm interesting......

I am a bit confused.....

Secondly, the geckos that are thin that I had for sale were ones that I rescued.
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but yet you say you boight her from a breeder.
I also saw your ads and was disgusted by the animals they looked very skinny, and ill or parasite ridden. Not only was the tang thin (she was most likely the thinest) but all the other normal looking geckos you named as hets were very thin too with very thin tails.
I understand that you say you are not misrepresenting the animal but then you say you bought them or rescued them or whatever. if you got them to rescue why not rehab them FIRST before selling them, if that was your true intentions. I also have a friend whom emailed you concerning your geckos and the poor shape in which they looked and you basically told her, you knew what you were doing and she didnt know squat.......... LOLOL this coming from someone in which keep and breeding many leos for many years now. and later that day the pictures on fauna had been removed from the ad....................... hmmmm i wonder if i can get her to post here and if she saved those particular emails. i'll see what i can do
 
Robin,
Yes, could you please get those supposed emails from your "friend." Because I NEVER said that to anyone. Also, I agree I should of cared for the tang before I tried to sell it. That's why I decided to pull it off k-snake and not sell it. I just didn't have the time to rehab it myself. I actually didn't realize how thin the animal was until I recieved it. After some time, I felt it was in the animals best interest for someone with more gecko experience to care for it. Which is being done right now. I'm not sure your talking about the right person when you refer to selling hets. I only had one het for sale and it was't that thin. It just laid eggs so it wasn't thinner than any other female gecko that lays eggs.


Steve,
I'm not offended at all by your posts. I share the same concern for animals as you do. I suppose my ad regarding the Cuban sounded a little harsh. I only mentioned what I had heard. In retrospect, it was a bad idea for me to put that in my ad. I also didn't mean for someone to just chop off the end of the tail. I meant that someone could take the animals to the vet and have the kink removed professionaly. As far as the gecko, its being cared. The guy that emailed you and siad he sold me the gecko isn't telling the truth. I purchased the gecko from a woman and I put her name in the ad when I was selling. I just think we had a miscommunication. I harbor no hard feelings toward your concerns at all. Take Care.
 
Hi Frank-

I believe Robin is referring to me. Remember when I emailed you about the geckos? I expressed my concern for the animals being so thin and sick looking and told you you may want to pull them off the market and take them to a vet. Your response basically was that I shouldn't have emailed you about them, there was no reason to be concerned for them, that the het female had just laid eggs ands that's why she was so thin, and the tang female was in that horrific condition when you got her from the lady you spoke of. (You pretty much inferred that you knew exactly what you were doing with the leos and that I shouldn't be offering you advice on them because I don't know the whole story on them.) When I replied I nicely told you that female leos should never get skinny like that, even when laying, and that both looked so very bad I was worried you knew nothing about leopard geckos and that you thought that was normal, you in turn said, again, you know what you were doing with them. I don't believe I replied to that one.

I didn't keep the emails becuase they were not important to me. I didn't think I would need to post them on the BOI for crying out loud. One thing I can say for you Frank is that at least you posted pictures of the geckos and it was very clear from the pics that they were not well.

Oh, and some advice to everyone else that's into leopard geckos: Be extremely picky about who you buy your animals from. Try to purchase them from the person that produced them, and get them from a reputable gecko breeder. That is all.
 
Hi Kelli,
Yes, I do remember you and your email now. I did appreciate the concern and I didn't mean to sound like that. I was just trying to say that the gecko didn't have parasites. Honestly, I purchased thin and though I could help the leo. I don't know much about geckos. I work with animals and I have access to biologists and a vet where I work. I figured they could help me. I've listened to the general public about issues with my animals before and I was given bad advice. If I had know you I probably would of asked for your help in caring for the animal. I emailed several of the "big" leo breeders for advice.

I asked the person I obtained the leo from how it got thin and she said she kept it in a harem. Unfortunately, it didn't get enough food so over time it got thin. For what's it worth. I got an email from someone else and since I do have a concious I took the leo off k-snake until it got better. I didn't have time to care for it. I'm in school full time and I work. At first it wasn't eating for me and I figured it needed someone with more experience to get better. I check on it at my friends house and it's eating fine now.

I'm just amazed how my good intentions got so misunderstood. I know herpers are a passionate crowd so I understand partially I guess.

I am going to be more careful who I buy from in the future.
Anyway, thanks for your concern about the leo.

Frank
 
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