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Ok. About the time thing, all posts in KS will show up as eastern 24 hour time (like the time in all posts here is set to whatever local time you choose).

On Friday the 17th, sobek made a post at 18:10:24. That's about 3 PM Pacific time. Another post was made on the 18th at about 1 PM Pacific time. And on the 19th, at 10 AM Pacific. I don't know the times of the show, but it doesn't sound like Fred could post those from his home, so that's not an option. All of sobek's posts I've seen have been posted from an IP traced to Arkansas. (meaning a proxy would have to be used in addition). I can't say what people have gotten in private correspondance, but it doesn't look like there's public evidence that sobek is, in fact, Fred.
 
Sorry Audrina..

but your post doesn't do anything to change my opinion here. Perhaps you haven't been following closely. Have you read all of the posts on the Open Discussion Forum? Sobek's grammar matches Fred's to a tee. That was our first clue. Sobek's political views are identical to Fred's. Perhaps since you are clever enough to get his IP, you could get Fred's and Devin Price's as well. But that proves nothing and you know it. Why have none of these guys come on here? Why didn't Sobek ever deny the accusations that he was Fred until Kanuk's post? Why didn't he react to Al when Al posted under the user name Devin P? Anyone else would have reacted to that. Fred, I mean Sobek, didn't. Lastly, if it is true that Fred never posted on that forum, then it is fair to say that he didn't observe the activities there as it would fit his MO to spew his political views all over that forum as he did on tha Boa forum previously. That being the case, why did he e-mail Kanuk, and only Kanuk, to relay his political views when he wasn't involved in the discussions there? Hmmm, seems fishy. Sobek e-mailed me with an address where he claimed to live. Perhaps I'll send it to you and you could do a little searchypoo. By the way, anyone know what time the shaow started on the 17th and what time Renegade showed up?
 
Audrina/Pinatamonkey...

How provocative! Well, well, I didn't know you were Pinatamonkey. That explains everything! Your posts on the Open discussion forum back in July are extremely similar to Fred's views and it would seem that you are angry at men in general judging from your post blaming "White MALES of mostly European heritage" for so many atrocities, lol. After reviewing all of your posts their, I would say that any information you have to offer here is most likely biassed. I sent you the address given by Devin Price, but you may as well throw it in the trash as I doubt, after reviewing your posts on the Open Discussion Forum in July, that I could expect any answer from you that would compromise Fred's credibility here no matter what. Are you still angry about those posts when you took a beating for having the same Anti-American views as Fred? By the way, having such stauch political views against the present administration and president while dismissing Clinton's activities with Monica as trivial or irrelevant doesn't say much for your character in my opinion. But that too is irrelevant to this thread. But perhaps it sheds a little light on your agenda here. Why have you waited so long to post on this thread and only showed up when the political discussion on the Open Discussion Forum came into view? Maybe you still have an axe to grind, yes?
 
Hi,
It's me Kanuck. First off, because of the fact that if I don't say this you'll try and smear me as one of Fred's accomplices, I do not condone what Fred has done and think that generally, he got what he deserved. Having gotten that out of the way let me say this. You're starting to sound a little crazy Chris. Your accusations against Fred may be well founded, but trying to tear down anyone who dissagrees with you is getting out of hand. What possible gain do Wendy or Audrina have in defending Fred. You honestly think Audrina is just out to get you because of a debate on the open discussion forum??? Leave the political debate where it belongs, that's not what the BOI is about. Wendy brings up some interesting points as well. How about refuting them with something concrete. Just trying to shout her down won't work. I think you have a real hate on for Fred and it's starting to get the better of you. Fred's business ethics suck, that's already been well established. But it seems to me, and some others from what I've read, that you're going just a little too far in prosecuting him. Do I think there's something fishy in some of the posts on Kingsnake? Yes I do, but I can't prove anything and neither can you so far. If you have concrete evidence, bring it on. Post something that's verifiable. Unless you can do that though, it might be time to stop the ranting. You can only say Fred's a bad guy so many times. We all know that already.
Ross Buskard
 
So, here's my question on this sobek thing: Where's the business transaction? Has sobek sold anyone any reptiles? Has sobek posted any ads?

If not, who the hell cares if sobek is Fred anyway?

This thread served its purpose many, many pages ago. Now we're off in conjecture land again, and the signal to noise ratio is just too high.
 
By the way, anybody putting Wendy on a list can put me on it right beside her.
 
You're starting to sound a little crazy Chris. Your accusations against Fred may be well founded, but trying to tear down anyone who dissagrees with you is getting out of hand.
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What makes you say that?
Chris has only posted on this thread 103 times despite never having done a transaction with Fred.
That's not crazy, is it?;)
 
Ross...

I have nothing against Wendy or Pinatamonkey and certainly have no reason to dislike them. I disagree with Wendy, and feel sorry for Pinatamonkey. Wendy ended her first post with a sarcastic and condescending remark aimed directly at myself and Anaconda. I responded accordingly. As far as Pinatamonkey, I told it like it is. People thought I was obsessive the first time around until the real truths started to surface. Patience my friend. I still have to wonder why you went from being positive that Sobek was Fred when you stated they were "definitely" the same person, to not knowing for sure, but thinking it is him. Perhaps you could elaborate on exactly who sent that e-mail, why he sent it, what he said, and WHO'S NAME graced the bottom of that e-mail. Surely it wasn't so long ago that you don't remember. Why would you hold back such pertinent information to this thread? Who are you protecting? Anyway, don't mistake me for someone who dislikes you or is out to "bash" you. I am not. I am simply trying to get answers to a conundrum that is relevant to this thread in my eyes. I'm sorry if that is ruffling your feathers. If you are getting heat from "Club Albury", just tell them to leave you alone. Their efforts didn't stop me from pursuing answers the last time around, and putting pressure on you to paint a negative picture of me will change nothing this time either. Perhaps you'll say I'm delusional or obsessed, but I'm not stupid. I know how these clowns work. All the covert little schemes and private e-mails looking for pressure points and angles will not change the fact that a truth exists and will eventually be known. In a way I hope these guys are right and I'm wrong for the sake of embarrassment. We'll see. In the mean time, perhaps I'll take your good advice and simmer down a bit. Hopefully Fred, Sobek and Devin Price will all show up at exactly the same time and make a complete fool of me. :)
 
Gila...

Because I posted against your good buddy so many times, doesn't make me crazy, it makes me affective, like it or not!
 
Brian...

Judging from your comments I take it that you know for a fact that Sobek is not Fred. Do you know something we don't?
 
Re: Brian...

Boapit said:
Judging from your comments I take it that you know for a fact that Sobek is not Fred. Do you know something we don't?
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Judging from my comments, I'd suggest you take it that I don't think you know anything to start with, and that it's not relevent. Fred was proven to be a bad guy early on in the thread.
 
I believe I have already closed, then reopened, this thread twice in the past. If the sniping between posters in this thread continues, it will be again closed, this time permanently.
 
No offense Chris, but who would pressure me and how? I live in Canada. My interests are turtles and tortoises, not snakes. I get all my stuff from trades up here and when I do order from the states, it's from places like Glades Herp that are well established can get the necessary CITES paperwork I need to get the animals into Canada legally, and are willing to ship here. There's no pressure anyone off any of these forums can possibly bring to bare on me. I've already said that I made a mistake in jumping the gun on the e-mail link between Fred and sobek. I don't have the e-mail anymore so what good is anything I have to say on that. It was from Fred's e-mail address and he was agreeing with some of the things I had posted. I thought at the time that it was from Sobek. But my opinion doesn't carry weight regarding that because I have no physical proof. None, zero, zilch, nada. One last point, though it's been made once already. The posts on the Open discusion forum are strictly political in nature. I thought it was a rather fun and spirited debate. I enjoyed going back and forth at it with you guys thoroughly. But it dosn't involve any business transactions so how is it relevany here?
Ross Buskard
 
P.S.
Please forgive the atrocious typing skills. I actually can spell. Relevany, hows that for a word. Should be relevant.
Ross Buskard
 
Brian, I hate to disappoint you but I REALLY don't want to put you on the same list I have Wendy on. And yes it is for purely personal reasons, I just like women to be females and I don't think you fit that bill. Thusly, no matter how badly you want to be spanked, I must, simply must, say no thanks.

Hope I didn't disappoint you too much. I can keep you off my bad guy list however. Hope it helps to ease the pain of dis-satisfaction.

Wes Pollock
 
I'm just responding to the accusation that I made my post because of some sort of political alliance. Suffice to say, that is a bunch of BS. I don't know Fred, I haven't ever dealt with him, and judging by this thread, I never will. The reasons why I made my post are simple: Wendy brought up that Fred was at the show during those dates when sobek had posted. People had posted that he could have done that before or after the show. It's just to clear things up.

Now, I find it pretty damn offensive that you think I'm 'likely unbiased' because I may or may not share some political views with people you disagree with. I could not care less whether Fred = sobek. Whether he's a neonazi, fascist, treehugger, pinko commie, -whatever-, that's entirely irrelevent. The first time I've read any of sobeks posts was -yesterday- when I was checking out this information. He could be spewing the most vile, hateful words in that forum and it wouldn't change the times -when- it was posted.

One more thing - sometimes, people will say things that they don't believe, for the purpose of making a point. Sarcasm is one example. Critical readers will probably pick up on such techniques. It is quite common in higher-level debates. Don't take everything you read at face value without first examining the context.
 
Roscoe...

I will just say this. First of all, I too thoroughly enjoyed the mayhem on that forum as well. That being said, I would like to point out that for those who think this subject is irrelevant, guess again. It is. I think that people who inquire about the snakes he is trying to sell to date have a right to know whether or not it's safe to go back into the water where a shark was once feeding. Anyone who is capable of making up a name and fake address to conceal his identity and go to the lengths he has to keep his true identity a secret is unstable at best. I don't wish to further antagonize this thread by bickering with you guys on this. The truth will come out. It always does. In the meantime, unless Fred, Devin and Sobek all come on here at the same time to defy our accusations, I will remained unconvinced that they are not one in the same. Enough said.
 
Aw, Wes now I'm disappointed. I was hoping to be love-bombed today. Guess I'll have to try someone else. =)
 
Audrina...

No one ever needed to put a spin on your posts in July. They speak for themselves. Don't forget to sign your name to your posts here. :)
 
Biased information????

After reviewing all of your posts their, I would say that any information you have to offer here is most likely biassed.
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Chris .... really .... a biased opinion/information ... you gotta be kidding me .... not here ...... lmao

Ummmmm ... aren't all of the opinions/information expressed or given going to be biased in one way or another, by experiences had with Fred? ;) .... just a thought.
 
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