DJone2
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Has anyone done business with him?? As usual any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Inquiry Freddy Ordine
- Thread starter DJone2
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Robert Walker
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Did you ever find out anything about him Diego? Just curious - thanks
RoyalPythonPros
New member
I'm going to make some calls tomorrow on him. The town he's in is about an hour or so from me. If anything I'd like to go meet him and then I'll just let everyone know.
NIGRO51
New member
I purchased 1.0 caramel from him yesterday and the transaction went smooth. He answered my emails and text promptly and kept me updated on his status. We met locally and the snake was as advertised and healthy.
DJone2
LEFT CORNER REPTILES
Anyone else? Brian, did you have any luck?
Robert Walker
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Okay, here goes. This is not a "good" or "bad" review. This is simply a "matter of fact" review. No emotions, no hype, simply my experience.
1. I inquired on several pythons.
2. I narrowed it down to 2 high end multi-gene males.
3. I asked for paperwork to substantiate their genetics.
4. He did not have paperwork.
5. I asked for paperwork to be sent from the original breeder to me directly to verify. (Seller said they were good friends, so no big request from point of view).
6. I received an invoice for the snakes, but instead it came from the seller not the breeder. The invoice was editable, so even I could type what ever I wanted into it.
7. His current ad states "They all came from either ***** or ****** and all genetics can be confirmed and guaranteed by either of them."
8. I both spoke to and emailed ***** (the original breeder).
9. Both by phone and email, *****, did in fact say he was friends with the seller.
10. However, the genetics did not match what the seller is listing them as versus what the original breeder both told and wrote me.
11. I brought this up to the seller, he stuck to his story.
12. I sent the email between the Original breeder and myself to the seller.
13. Never heard back from the seller.
14. End of deal.
Please don't take this for a "Good or Bad" report, simply my experience.
Seller said I could verify genetics, I did, not the same versions.
1. I inquired on several pythons.
2. I narrowed it down to 2 high end multi-gene males.
3. I asked for paperwork to substantiate their genetics.
4. He did not have paperwork.
5. I asked for paperwork to be sent from the original breeder to me directly to verify. (Seller said they were good friends, so no big request from point of view).
6. I received an invoice for the snakes, but instead it came from the seller not the breeder. The invoice was editable, so even I could type what ever I wanted into it.
7. His current ad states "They all came from either ***** or ****** and all genetics can be confirmed and guaranteed by either of them."
8. I both spoke to and emailed ***** (the original breeder).
9. Both by phone and email, *****, did in fact say he was friends with the seller.
10. However, the genetics did not match what the seller is listing them as versus what the original breeder both told and wrote me.
11. I brought this up to the seller, he stuck to his story.
12. I sent the email between the Original breeder and myself to the seller.
13. Never heard back from the seller.
14. End of deal.
Please don't take this for a "Good or Bad" report, simply my experience.
Seller said I could verify genetics, I did, not the same versions.
steve671
Benefactor Member
Any update on this from anyone?
Freddy Ordine
New member
So this is in response to Robert. I had paperwork on their genetics. Forwarded him the email sent to me right from Kevin with their email address on it. He spoke with Kevin about the genetics and there was an issue with verifying two genes one in each snake I believe it was. But he said it was possible they were in them and said either way he was getting a steal. But I mean this is NERD and Kevin he is not going to remember every snake he sells. When I bought them he sold them to me as that as stated on the invoice. There was no more communication with Robert when we found he tried to get Kevin to get him to sell him those same snakes for cheaper and tried to give me a low ball price on the two snakes. We weren't going to budge on the price once we realized he was just playing a game with us. If anyone has questions about this situation please contact me directly at [email protected].
Freddy Ordine
Freddy Ordine
Robert Walker
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In my last post, I tried to leave a neutral and accurate description of what took place between Mr. Ordine and myself for the benefit of Fauna Users. I was going to leave it at that, but if his response is to try and attack my character, I am now happy to add some additional facts and supporting details and let BOI users decide who is “playing a game”. In addition I am happy to discuss these details publicly and openly versus having someone contact me directly in private so I can put a spin on the facts.
Mr. Ordine’s snake ad states:
“They all (the snakes in his ad) came from either ********** or ********* and all genetics can be confirmed and guaranteed by either of them.”
So this is what I did, I verified the genetics.
The two snakes in question from his ad were:
1.0 Coral Glow Pastel Fader 374 grams and 561 grams $6,000 each
1.0 Super Pastel Enchi Pin Hg Woma Pos. Bald Gene PH Pied 894 gram $5,000
In reality after communicating with the original breeder, the two snakes are:
1.0 Coral Glow Pastel (only possible Fader)
1.0 Super Pastel Enchi Pin (only possible HG Woma) possible bald, PH Pied)
While these snakes at first glance might appear similar, they are in fact NOT the same snakes. Mr. Ordine’s version would say that the genes are in 100% fact present, while the breeder says they are only a possibility.
One version is genetically better than the other, and thus one version would be worth more money than the other.
Mr. Ordine would have you believe the original breeder is to blame, saying, “But I mean this is **** and ***** he is not going to remember every snake he sells.” as his excuse for the mis-labeling of the two snakes. On one hand Mr. Ordine says to talk with the Original Breeder to verify genetics, and when I do and they don’t match, suddenly the original breeder is deemed an unreliable source.
So who is correct, Mr. Ordine or the unreliable Original Breeder?
When I communicated with the Original Breeder, he said nothing about not remembering the snakes in question. In fact just the opposite, he knew the snakes in question and their history. In fact Mr. Ordine called one of the snakes “The Freak”, and oddly enough the Original Breeder called it the exact same name. Remember, according to Mr. Ordine I supposedly had just received genetics paperwork from the Original Breeder(OB), so why was the OB suddenly unaware of the genetics involved.
As far as Mr. Ordine’s claim that I was “playing a game”, that is grasping at straws, trying to divert attention off himself so he can sell the rest of his snakes.
This is a case where I did my homework prior to purchase. This is not a question of whether or not Mr. Ordine’s animals are “a steal” (bargain), the issue is whether or not the animals are labeled accurately, so that the customer can decide for themselves if the genetics involved are “a steal” for them personally. If a snake is genetically less of a snake than advertised, then said snake would potentially hold less value to a buyer, pretty much common sense.
If the snake genetics would have checked out, Mr. Ordine would have my money and I would have had two new snakes, end of story, however, the genetics didn’t match.
Enough said for now.
P.S. I have saved emails, texts, etc backing everything up that I have stated, but for the moment am trying to avoid any unintended negative side effects to the Original breeder, hence why I have been replacing his name and company’s name with ****. As far as I am concerned the OB did me a favor by taking the time to answer my questions and helping me avoid inaccuracies.
Mr. Ordine’s snake ad states:
“They all (the snakes in his ad) came from either ********** or ********* and all genetics can be confirmed and guaranteed by either of them.”
So this is what I did, I verified the genetics.
The two snakes in question from his ad were:
1.0 Coral Glow Pastel Fader 374 grams and 561 grams $6,000 each
1.0 Super Pastel Enchi Pin Hg Woma Pos. Bald Gene PH Pied 894 gram $5,000
In reality after communicating with the original breeder, the two snakes are:
1.0 Coral Glow Pastel (only possible Fader)
1.0 Super Pastel Enchi Pin (only possible HG Woma) possible bald, PH Pied)
While these snakes at first glance might appear similar, they are in fact NOT the same snakes. Mr. Ordine’s version would say that the genes are in 100% fact present, while the breeder says they are only a possibility.
One version is genetically better than the other, and thus one version would be worth more money than the other.
Mr. Ordine would have you believe the original breeder is to blame, saying, “But I mean this is **** and ***** he is not going to remember every snake he sells.” as his excuse for the mis-labeling of the two snakes. On one hand Mr. Ordine says to talk with the Original Breeder to verify genetics, and when I do and they don’t match, suddenly the original breeder is deemed an unreliable source.
So who is correct, Mr. Ordine or the unreliable Original Breeder?
When I communicated with the Original Breeder, he said nothing about not remembering the snakes in question. In fact just the opposite, he knew the snakes in question and their history. In fact Mr. Ordine called one of the snakes “The Freak”, and oddly enough the Original Breeder called it the exact same name. Remember, according to Mr. Ordine I supposedly had just received genetics paperwork from the Original Breeder(OB), so why was the OB suddenly unaware of the genetics involved.
As far as Mr. Ordine’s claim that I was “playing a game”, that is grasping at straws, trying to divert attention off himself so he can sell the rest of his snakes.
This is a case where I did my homework prior to purchase. This is not a question of whether or not Mr. Ordine’s animals are “a steal” (bargain), the issue is whether or not the animals are labeled accurately, so that the customer can decide for themselves if the genetics involved are “a steal” for them personally. If a snake is genetically less of a snake than advertised, then said snake would potentially hold less value to a buyer, pretty much common sense.
If the snake genetics would have checked out, Mr. Ordine would have my money and I would have had two new snakes, end of story, however, the genetics didn’t match.
Enough said for now.
P.S. I have saved emails, texts, etc backing everything up that I have stated, but for the moment am trying to avoid any unintended negative side effects to the Original breeder, hence why I have been replacing his name and company’s name with ****. As far as I am concerned the OB did me a favor by taking the time to answer my questions and helping me avoid inaccuracies.
Freddy Ordine
New member
There isn't a spin on anything here I can't comment on your conversation with Kevin cause I wasn't there or had any part of it. I am just stating that I have the snakes up what they were originally sold to me as that's all nothing more nothing less. And I believe if I remember correctly you even understood where I was coming from with it. I'm in no ways trying to call you liar or anything with this just saying my side of the story. Either way I feel like both those snakes are priced fairly. And I feel like both of those snakes definitely have those genes in question, especially the freak. That is why I haven't changed there pricing as well. Either way they are two awesome snakes and if they don't sell I wouldn't mind keeping them if I had to.
Freddy Ordine
Freddy Ordine