FRESH WC PANTHERS ~ Ankaramy~ Blue Bar Ambilobe ~ Red Bar Ambilobe ~

[Madd Season Morphs]

check it out dude

A LINE GAVE ME THE EXACT PRICE LIST JOHN LUCAS GAVE ME.....i went threw John knowintg the quality animals he gets....I tried going threw you at first-but you come at me with all i got is cyclops babies....As i said, ''i don't want your blood''-I want my own....Need to make a name for myself-not be your Tag along....

And yes! I have a ton of money! and i'll keep spending it! its really fun...as for dueing buisness with you...DONT NEED YOUR STUFF! Ambanja/Ambilobe mixes are not what im into.....And I definetly dont need something thats been bread to everything in the U.S.A

Thanks for securing your spot at the bottom of my list....I guess you will be seeing my FRESH blood early this summer.....Good times everyone!


Regards,
Isaac Fields

 

[Madd Season Morphs]

excuses

I NEVER said you promised anything....I dont want any excuses like I didnt get to the docks on time, or the shipment didnt show! But you already beat me to the punch...You keep every wild caught back for your breeding stock!

selling wild caught is Chump change! Well John doesnt think so! a dollar is a dollar..And i will keep going threw John, until SOMEONE shows me proof their stuff is better than his!

As you and I know that isn't going to happen anytime soon



Isaac Fields

 

[mattjillson]

Now I have officially heard it all.........

Ohhhhh, what ever will I do without you being a customer. Man, I really stepped in it now, hahahahaha! Sorry Isaac, when I say I won't do business with you first that means the door has been closed on you, not visa versa. Let me dumb it down a bit for your benefit, when the boss fires you there is no coming back and saying "I quit!", you've already been fired. Oh man, you should use some of that money you have for a little more education, namely reading comprehension and less on animals. Allow me to straighten out another of your misconceptions as you clearly didn't read carfully my correspondence to you. There can't be an excuse for not delivering when I never promised I was going to deliver anything to you. Maybe I am missing a conversation with you or something, or maybe I forgot that I posted an ad for fresh WC animals for sale but did I make any promise to you? Did I offer you any pick in any shipment? I just can't remember if I did or not...............

As for your promises of future success, I wish you the best. But, talking the talk and walking the walk are two very different things and quite honestly I don't think you've got what it takes. Money isn't a substitue for common sense and you will learn that quite quickly and most likely the hard way. It is too bad the animals will be the only ones to truely suffer from your hubris attitude. You've been in this for what, like 3 weeks? Lets see where you are with your imports 6 months from now in the Chameleon hospitable Oregon conditions of thick fog, rain and low daytime and lower nighttime temps - it won't be a cake walk I assure you. I've heard your story of future success many, many times from many people and only on the rare occasion do I see the offspring to back up these big claims. Here is a little piece of advice from me to you, free of charge, that I am sure will go in one ear and out the other: Don't count your Chameleons before they hatch. But go ahead, keep buying up imports and see what kind of dismal failure awaits you. If the big doggs have trouble acclimating imports a newbie such as yourself that has been into Chameleons for a few months should have absolutly no problems.....

If you tell Kalam from Aline you want say a 4.4 trust me, he'll give you a lower price from retail. But even if he doesn't you can choose from the same pics John Lucas does. Either way you will be a buffon to pay $400-$450 per import and pick up a total of 8. Your money would be better served donating it to the Tsunami relief effort. But since you have demonstrated an immense reserve of common sense my recommendation is to call Kalam tomorrow and ask about group pricing - I think you'll be surpised at the deal you get versus regular retail. If you want to be a sheep, then go right ahead but don't complain about the slaughter that will inevitably come when you have a bunch of dead animals and less cash in "The Money Bin". As far as the chump change in selling fresh WC animals, I guess you are right in regards to what John Lucas thinks about it or you for that matter. Since he is a twenty-something guy still living with his parents anything above and beyond the allowance they give him must seem like a fortune. But if you think nickle and diming out a living on a small scale is the way to go you must not have as much money as you boast.

As for Cyclops, even with him being put out to stud a little bit he is still the best Ambilobe you will probably ever get the pleasure of seeing - hands down. Don't know where the Ambilobe/Ambanja hybrid statment comes from since I never sent you pics of The Main Man's current batch but since you are an expert at 3 months you must know what you are talking about. Best of luck and look forward to seeing the offspring.

-Matt

 

[charm_paradise]

Matt Matt Matt

You want facts, you can have them just ask! I know you have issues with our animals being that you cant get them. First off, I have not claimed to have imported anything. The fact of the matter is this last shipment of WC Pardalis was know about for sometime, well to us it was! No where do I EVER say "I" Chameleon Paradise Imported these animals. However "I" do say I got first pick, and you know I did and that just upsets you to no end. If you ask any of my customers, you will see NOTHING is hidden. I cant say the same for your business, I don't and wont do business with you, I have no need to. The imports coming through Kalam is NO secret, simple fact is "I" was sold first pick animals before you or anyone else for that matter. Sure Kalam picks for me, and dose a damn good job too. I don't need photos, they are sent to me as a jester. I was asked to post the ones I did, now I see why! Being that you like to talk Matt, when was the last time YOU (not someone YOU know) talked to Kalam or for that matter bought anything from him? Lets cut the crap, you know damn well all the Chameleons I posted here I have in my possession. All the Ambilobes have bred at least once, eggs will be here shortly from EVERY male Ambilobe I got in for myself. Some photos are fresh from the importers, and credit was given. Anyone can email me at any time for photos of our animals. Don't think we did not know you were sending us BS emails to pry out info. The fact is you did not get ONE chameleon from this shipment, so I guess you're taking your anger out on me. Looks to me like you're connections are no longer what you claim them to be, no need to take that out on me. I don't force anyone to buy anything from me, and I have NO problem with ANYONE knowing where they came from. You yourself can go right to Kalam, where are you're chameleons? Some chameleons have shipped from Kalams place, they were fresh FIRST PICKS, why ship them two times? Just so everyone knows there is no shipment due in this week with Pardalis to Kalam. So before you go around shooting your mouth off, know the facts. I ask anyone that reads this to do, contact Kalam, do ask for chameleons, do ask about our picks. You will soon see who is blowing smoke!

As for the Carpets, I bought mostly gravid females for our OWN breeding. We also bought males and non gravid females. We had allot of request for them, and put some for sale. We are not in this to sell WC animals, but we can sure get some killer ones!

FYI Matt, please do ask Isaac, if you feel I am selling stuff I claim to have in hand. He was sold first pick, and received just that. You will soon get an eye full!

P.S. Isaac, 4 more blue bar Ambilobes will be no problem. Like the last ones, you will have first pick! Matt, don't be bitter. Business is business, sorry we don't pick the best out for ourselves and ship everyone else BS!

Happy Chameleon Keeping

 

[Madd Season Morphs]

John

Yea ill take 4, mabey more.. No worries about Matt though, he has shown his colors in the Cham world.....Matt, look threw your posts on the discusion forums...One thread is headlined as AMBANJA?????


read what you wrote...crosses...lol--Tell me about Woodrow....Crosses...And you are probly right my entire 3 weeks with chameleons is a bust...5 batches of 30 or more eggs..my new wild caughts are parasite free---oh and have breed already! did i forget to say.. i had to rent a second apartment just for my Chameleons!

Must be very harsh for those poor animals---wich even you Mr.Jillson said were nice animals....Good luck to you to Matt.....I hope Cyclops lives another 15 years..so you have a way to stay in this buisness...

And yes he is a nice cham! But again I have seen nicer....


And Matt! im fired im tore up......Please take me back! i need your expertiese.....Just kidding...lol

Next time you post no need for a novel...your blabering is driving me to drinking!

 

[mattjillson]

Where do I start....

Let's start with the truth Johnny boy. First, are you sure you got first pick on that last shipment? Just because someone tells you you have first pick and sends you pics vis email doesn't mean you got first pick. For reference, go take a look at that second to none Ambanja and Ambilobe I posted recently. Don't think you saw pics of those guys and if you were supposed to have first pick don't you think you should have? I mean, you wouldn't be the first perosn that was promised first pick by that particular importer and ended up get thirds. Take that shipment that the Nosy Mitsios came in on for example.

As far as jealousy and anger for your collection.... now I can really say I have heard it all. I have seen better collections of Veileds that would make me jealous far before your assortment of steaming crap. Let's face it, you've been trying to sell those crappy Ambilobes you produced for a solid eight months and have been trying to middle man the animals you got from "The Gerg" almost as long. Yes, I would say I am terribly jealous and fired up over that (Chameleon pun intended). But, for a taste test sake look at all the old pictures you post of your B grade animals and look at the pics of animals I have. Anyone that is reasonable will easily see that even my worst looking animals eclipses your best - hands down. That is just the fact of the matter, I have always had better animals and will always have better animals no matter how many times you are promised 3rd pick in any shipment. It is probably because I just have better taste than you and patience. In fact, the animals I have and have access to are so good that they make me jealous and I own them - so I can only guess what they do to a hack such as yourself. But if you think differently, by all means why don't you get a table at the upcoming IRBA show in SD then we can really have a good Pepsi Challenge. I guarantee not only will my display animals blow you out of the water but I will put a strangle hold on you with quality and price of animals to the point that you will be lucky to even break even. After all business is business right? Well, there you go, gauntlet has been thrown down. The time has come to put up or shut up my second rate friend. If I am so jealous of what you can bring to the table I am sure not acting like it and am willing to put my rep on the line in a show were everyone else can be the judge.........

-Matt

...As far as emails trying to feel you out for info, you got the wrong guy. I talk to the horse's mouth not his @$$ - always have.

 

[Madd Season Morphs]

Lol

LOL... WATCH OUT John he might bring Cyclops....

 

[mattjillson]

No, Cyclops is way too valuable to bring to a show. I might bring Phoenix though or maybe even Anubis Jr., haven't decided yet, but in any case what I do decide to bring will be probably the best Panthers you have seen. See you at the show....

-Matt

 

[charm_paradise]

MAtt Matt Matt

You can sit here and talk up your animals all you want to. If you're so much better, then why are you wasting your time with me and what I do (don't answer that I don't care)? I have no need to show up or off to you. I think its the other way around! You can display all you want in SD, hope its good for you. I don't care what you do, just leave me and my businesses out of it. As for me selling the same line for 8 months, that would be true. Why, you ask? There were 4 clutches from the same line to hatch, thus I had LOTS of offspring for that line (all blue bar by the way). My business has nothing to do with your business, please leave me out of it. Once again know the facts, don't blow smoke. The female from that line is on her 10th clutch as we speak. I cant say I have seen offspring, you yourself have hatched, just from others (not that I want to, or care). I do my thing you do yours, just keep me OUT of it. You don't need to bad mouth me to sell your stuff, its better in your book remember!!!

Should Kalam get on here and tell you and everyone else what came in and who got what? Would that make you feel batter Matt? I know for a fact no Ambanja's came in to Kalam. Once again don't blow smoke, only locales to land with Kalam was Ankaramy and Ambilobe. That male in the photo looks like one you got with the 2004 quota not 2005! You want proof call Kalam he will tell you, nothing to hide what so ever. I know you have not talked to Kalam direct, should he get on here and clear that up for you too!!! Grow up, you're old news. Please, keep me, and my businesses out of your MOUTH. Your little mind game BS dose not work here on me. I have never talked to you ONE time. Only thing I hear from you is your attacks to me, my breeders/offspring, and my businesses. I ask you to please not use my name or businesses in any way with your posts from now on. You do your thing and I will do mine as I have been (WITH OUT USING YOUR NAME). Have fun in SD, best wishes!

P.S. The photos and pick was explained above. I did not have any deals with the Nosy Mitsio, yet I know all about it and what went where who got what. Matt, please I don't care. It's safe to say Lane is sitting on the largest selection on Nosy Mitsio in the US and you know it. Please I ask anyone that reads this to call Kalam if you have ANY questions Cell# 786-374-6498. Hope all goes well Matt!

FYI, you will notice I have no need to call you names, yet for some reason you feel the need to, HUMMM!!!

Happy Chameleon Keeping

 

[mattjillson]

Well, Johnny boy, looks like again you need to take lessions in reading comprehention. If you read the original post that popped all this off you'll see my reasoning behind the post. If you also carefully read my Ambanja??? post you will see that he was thought to be an Ambilobe at first although there were doubters but after a few days of acclimation he is clearly an Ambanja. Clear as day, go read the post. So, if this male turned out ot be an Ambanja in a shipment of only Ankaramies and Ambilobes hopefully there weren't other curve balls in that shipment as well, namely in females. That would be an expensive lesson to learn I would think. As far as bringing you up, expect it every time you try to go around any forum with bs. If you didn't want me to start pushing back you shouldn't have started talking crap about me intially and then post that BOI thread authored by your buddy. You reap what you sow and you messed with the wrong bull here, so if I were you I'd be very careful in what you post as I will be there everytime when I see bs with my cheery little responses. As far as the name calling goes, that was just dramatic flair for the sideline on-lookers - although pretty right on I must say!

-Matt

...Too bad you don't have the fortitude to accept my offer although I can't say I am suprised seeing as how you've always had that spineless tendicy similar to.... what is that barn yard animal..... they go cluck, cluck, cluck I think?

 

[charm_paradise]

Dose he ever stop...

Matt-

I have no problem with reading comprehension, you need to get a life!!! Maybe you had one to many, ooops did I say that!!!

You're barking up the wrong tree, if you think your little insults make you feel good, go for it. You're nothing but bitter about this whole thing or you would NEVER have opened your mouth in the first place. You think your some big hot shot, which is fine I could care less. No one cares about you and your BS. I must say you are good at twisting the truth in your favor. To bad this time you have no standing. Lets not even talk about females, we all know you have issues there. If you got animals from Kalam, where are your Ankaramy, I know you would not pass them up(don't answer that I don't care)?

As for me going after you, that could not be further from the truth. You're the one starting all the BS talk, I am only protecting my interests. You have made yourself hated by many, looks like the kingdom you once thought to have is now in ruin. Honestly I could care less, like I said I have done my OWN thing with out the NEED to use your name or anyone for that matter. Matt, I don't care what you do, JUST LEAVE ME OUT OF IT PERIOD! :scatter:

Keep on thinking those animals came from Kalam, lets see a bill of sale!!! Or where these "under the table" too. Please Matt, you are going no where with this. Considering the way Kalam's Pardalis are collected I don't think an Ambanja would be collected, when the collectors did not even go to Ambanja. What about the other male??? Pardalis were sold to only 3 people and you were NOT one of them! Careful with the threats Matt, there is no need for them. The difference between us is that "I" work on FACTS and you work on BS. Your games have been PROVEN time and time again. Please Matt, put this all to rest, I have better things to do then to play childish games with you on here. Funny how "I" stay on topic and you find reasons to go off topic. Do you need to get something out? Let it out, put this all to rest once and for all. Do your OWN thing and "I" will do mine! There is no need to be bitter. Best wishes!

Happy Chameleon Keeping!

 

[mattjillson]

Does he ever stop?

Unfortunatly for you I don't. Nice to see that you got stung enough to wish I was dead though, now that will be a thought that will put me comfortably to bed tonight. As Jules Winfield once said "If you don't like scary answers cease asking scary questions.". So here is another scary answer for you: I didn't pick up any Anakramies for a reason, I don't need them because I've already got a small unrelated group hanging out in a Florida greenhouse. Why ask questions you don't want an answer to?

Please, while we are on the subject of females bring up whatever it is that you think you might know, I have no problems with the validity of the girls I've got going. You are the person that shouldn't bring up the sore subject of females since you have only 3, maybe 4 unrelated female lines in your entire collection and they are related to male here and a male there that you've kept as breeders. Since it has been proven that the supposed great One Eye line are hybrids, that must have hurt a bit, your pool of pure females is even less. That nice picture of that Tamatave hybrid that was sired by One Eye that guy from Razorbackreptiles posted was pretty conclusive. You might have picked up a couple females in this last shipment but who knows if they will turn out to be Kalambilobes or pure as unfortuantly accidents happen and wrong local females get shipped here and there. You see Johnny boy, you put a little too much faith in parties you shouldn't. Could turn out to be rosy for you but you are now working against time in regards to buying expensive animals whose market bottom will soon fall out.

Bottom line is that there is no bitterness on my end because again, what is there to be bitter of? I am just righting the record as you got a bit too cocky and a bit too loose in what you've posted and it has now come back around to take a nice piece out of your arse. Look to see what has been proven, please everyone, do a fauna search of my name or Chameleon Paradise and you will clearly see who is the bitter party is and who has been proven time and time again to look bad on this site. Info is out there, so please take a look.

As far as doing your thing without the use of other people's name... now Johnny there you go again getting a bit too loose in what you say. Let's face it, the only thing that is keeping you afloat is using the name of your "breeding partner" who has been supplying you with a majority of the animals you've been trying to sell and will hopefully get the Mitsios to you as well - although I've got something up my sleeve in regards to that local. But, if you need an example take those Mitsio pics you posted on KS. I think it is your name that is the smaller of the two listed and it seems like you are trying to ride the Mitsio express although you didn't have anything to do with getting them, breeding them or hatching them. I'd say you've been "crutching" it quite a bit there although I am sure you will not admit it but is clear to the few people who follows this stuff.

Ah well, enough for now I'd say. I'm ready to let this go but like I said, don't misstep again as I will be there to the clarify the situation without hesitation and as you've just learned the hard way, I don't stop.

-Matt

...appreciate you mentioning "my kingdom" my son, although I think you will soon see it is far from crumbling

 

[Madd Season Morphs]

Matt..

Im not going to get into this much more....But i have been looking around-and I noticed Kalam--Himself said he doesnt and wont sell to you...

So if you were there--opening bags,why wont kalam sell to you?

He doesnt sound to pleased to me..HELL ,doesnt even sound like Kalam even likes you...So you sent me his ph#..without his permission and ''told'' me and everyone else! What great deals we could get..Yet Kalam wont sell to you!

The stuff you are saying doesnt add up! And your mouth seems to be sending more clientel John's way...And you had to see John has already offerd me a great pic....#1.....wow....Again not trying to start crap....

I just want to know were you are getting your info? And mabey you know a diffrent Kalam then everyone else?

Isaac

 

[mattjillson]

Well, as usual Kalam doesn't come clean. Not surpising as he is looking after the bigger picture of how much money multiple people can bring him. Oh well, doesn't bother nor hurt me as I wasn't trying to sell the imports. It doesn't change the fact that the animals JL was trying to sell weren't in hand and if you want to get some animals you can still go directly to the importer.

-Matt

 

[charm_paradise]

Again!!!

Matt-

Show some respect, Johnny boy, Johnny Boy, and what other names your sick head comes up with. My name is John, and you will notice even though we don't see eye to eye I still call you by your name Matt. At any rate I will be the better man, so continue on with the BS.

The questions are rhetorical, I know you did not get a single animal from this shipment period. Till I see a bill of sale, that opinion will not change period. Face up Matt, stop being bitter about this. I am over it, you should be too. Once again if your so big and powerful, why must you always use me and anyone else you feel the need to, prompt yourself up.

I know more then you might think, don't be so bitter. You keep feeling the need to go off topic and though around all this BS. You still have not proven anything. It's not my business to get into how your females compare to mine, nor do I care. However if you wish to discuss my female line, its plain as day the One Eye line is BLUE BAR AMBILOBE. I have more then 75% of it here and I know for a fact what it looks like. Just because someone puts a bloodline on a chameleons dose not mean that's where it came from. You know damn well that male did not come from this line, and you know damn well that line is pure. You are not one to talk about being pure, this topic was discussed in a previous post.

I am very well into my breeding Matt, and I have no worries about my lines. Accept one female that happened to come from Cyclops and god knows what female. I have more eggs then I can handle, no worries there. I actually breed, hatch, and sell MY stock. I do have partners that I work with, and yes we do sell there stuff. You are not one to talk, don't get me started there. No one is being cocky, don't put words in my mouth. Simple fact is I got what I got and you are bitter, period. Please Matt, lets give this a rest. Your "Kingdom" needs some work, you know that little bubble you live in. Grow up!

Matt, I don't need anyone to keep me afloat. I do that all on my own, lets not go there. I did buy out lines, I did buy out breeders, so what. The main point is "I" do it, "I" don't ride coat tails. You can think up all these stories all you want Matt, just give it up you're getting no where. I did NOT ask for the Nosy Mitsio, I was offered them. Don't be bitter Matt, its only business. Typical you, always something up your sleeve to try and screw someone over, just give it up. I really don't care what you do, just leave me out of it, PERIOD.

Yes, its clear as day your full of BS. I have nothing to "Crutch" about, stop being bitter and give the games up, we all know your very good at them! If I am not mistaken, you were the one questing my first WC line. Hummm they sure did turn out to be some sweet grade A blue bars, with bars! I have nothing to hide what so ever, your actions here are clearly malicious, nothing has changed though if you think about it. Don't think for a moment you have ANYTHING on me, I don't step down to anyone. You must really feel something if you are so worried about what I do. Only thing needing clearing up is the BS that spills from your mouth. If you think you're trying to teach me something, you are crazy. Best wishes!

P.S.- I am not your son, you make yourself look like a fool. Try and stay on topic, and please look at what Kalam posted here:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61300&page=1&pp=5

 

[alejandro]

comone guys.. why dont you just pm each others?

 

[Madd Season Morphs]

Why

Why p.m eachother?

 

[alejandro]

because this forums is for posting things about chams. not about fighting and insulting eachothers

 

[mattjillson]

Awe, how cute....

Well Johnny boy, it looks like you and your breeding partner, Legendcham, have hit a new low. You went from passing off imports as something you imported, or in some way made their importation possible to outright stealing offspring from the person who bought all those WC Nosy Mitsios that you are going to try to middle man. Not riding coat tails, eh? Looks like Lane's deal with Lizard Lair to acclimate the Mitsios and share the offspring 50/50 with Shelly is down the tubes - offspring that came from breeders that Liard Lair bought btw. Now that is one hell of a way to "Escape The Ordinary" I must say. Not even Chameleon Condo stole animals or offspring. For a guy that supposedly bases his business on truth and ethics you sure are doing a bang up job! Btw, I don't show respect to thieves or half @$$ middle men.

~Keep it up~

-Matt




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Description: This is "Kermit" right out of the box. He is a great example of a Mafana male. His babies are hatching now and I hope his babies will be as nice as he is but we will have to wait and see. Lizard Lair [email protected]


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I have been interested in chameleons, mostly Jacksons and panthers, for over ten years. I started with a 20 by 20 greenhouse to raise tropical plants but ended up with a collection of panthers around 1994 but I started my business 3 years an luv it
I guess we will never know if these babies will look like Kermit. All the babies and all of the eggs have been stolen. The big problem is that I know who the culprits are but am not able to do anything about it at this point.

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[mattjillson]

For clarification......

Sorry all, the Kingsnake post didn't paste right into the body of the message. For clarification of what I am referring to in my previous post here is the meat and potatoes of the Kingsnake photo gallery post in bold you should check out as it wasn't too clear before:

Original photo gallery post description:

Description: This is "Kermit" right out of the box. He is a great example of a Mafana male. His babies are hatching now and I hope his babies will be as nice as he is but we will have to wait and see. Lizard Lair [email protected]

Later reply from original picture poster:

I guess we will never know if these babies will look like Kermit. All the babies and all of the eggs have been stolen. The big problem is that I know who the culprits are but am not able to do anything about it at this point.
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~Enjoy!~

-Matt