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Hello,
I am not sure this is in the right place and if it is not please accept my apologies Webslave. This posting is my attempt to illustrate to some of you professionals my frustration with some of your peers. The thing that has gotten me so PO'd right now is a visit to a semi-local pet store. This store is located in Pheonix City, Alabama. I have been to this pet store before and have never been overly impressed with the amount of care they give their reptiles, but yesterday's visit made me want to strangle somebody.
On this particular occasion I walked into the repltile room and found the odor to be almost overpowering. Now I have two snakes and they are both housed in a room of their own, but odor has NEVER been an issue in their room, granted it is only two snakes and the store has about 15 along with other reptiles, but the odor should never be that bad in my opinion.
Anyway, I looked around to see what they had to offer. The first thing I noticed was a plywood cage approximately 6ft x 2-3ft x 2ft. housing 6, yes SIX, full grown adult Columbian Boa Constrictors. The cage had one half full water bowl, that was not clean, and feces laying on the floor. Several of the boas had shed remnants on them from previous bad sheds and one looked as if it had mouth rot. These boas have been housed this way for a VERY LONG time as a breeding group, this according to the man that was working in the reptile room. Apparently the store has given up on breeding them due to their inability to be successful at it and are selling the group off...asking price "$150 for the dark ones $300 for the light ones."
On the floor next to the boa cage was a spur thigh tortoise with some extremely large pyramids atop its shell. This poor tortoise had no food nor water in its cage and paced back and forth constantly from one side of the cage to the other. It was priced at $400. A smaller spur thigh tortoise was caged in a 20 gallon tank with no food and dirty water and it was a constant pacer also. The pyramiding was not quite as bad on the smaller one and he was priced at $300. Neither of these torts had a uvb bulb on their tank.
In an old showcase, similar to a jewelry showcase, no bigger than 4ft x 3ft x 3ft. was housed a burmese python that had to be every bit of 12 ft long. This poor burmese was laying in a coil next to the heat lamp and his coils were touching the front, back and side wall and he extened to just about half way across the cage. He had no water bowl of any kind in his enclosure, but he did look healthy...for now.
Then there were the Tegus. A pair of B/W tegus that were housed seperately and each had to have been CRAMMED into its cage. The smaller of the 2 was at least 2.5 ft. long and was stuffed into what I believe was about a 20 gallon aquarium. He could not straighten out his tail without it hitting the other end of the cage, and that was with his snout in the opposite corner. I watched him try to turn around and it was impossible for him. The other Tegu was larger and housed in what i believe would be about a 55 gallon aquarium, but he was also unable to turn around completely without some major contortions of his tail. His cage was ABSOLUTELY disgusting. In among the substrate were numerous pieces of old shed and feces. His water bowl was approx. 1/4 full and BLACK with decaying waste. The smaller tegu did have a clean water bowl, but it was EMPTY. The smaller one also had a fairly large tumor growing out of his shoulder. These B/W tegus were priced at $200 each or $300 for the pair. When I asked the guy if they were argentine or columbian, he could not tell me and looked as if he had no clue there were different kinds.
In talking with the guy that was working the reptile room that day I asked him specfically about the tegus. I asked about their disposition and how easily handled they were(thinking I would get him to let me hold one and i could make a run for the exit). He told me the large one was EXTREMELY aggressive and demonstrated to me his aggresive tendencies by tapping on his cage and waving his hand in front of him. I then asked him if that was the reason that his cage was full of #$@% and his water was black as swamp mud.. and he said, "yeah pretty much. Takes everyone in the building to get him out to clean his cage." I also asked him about the boas and why they were all housed together. He told me it was easier to breed them that way. They think keeping 2 males in the enclosure with 4 females will result in more breeding. How pathetic.
I cannot tell you how much I wanted to ring this guys neck. I asked to see the owner however he was not in at the moment and it would be late before he got back, so I will be giving him a call monday morning. NOW, to all of you professionals out there, WHAT on earth can I do to help those poor animals out? What can i say to him to get him to take better care of his animals? What recourse do I have if it seems my talk with him is not going to turn up any positive results? I would have bought them all if I could have afforded it, but that is not an option. The local animal control offices around here are not keen on anything to do with snakes. There opinion is the only good snake is a dead snake(this is the deep south remember). In the town just down the road from me the police are dispatched to take care of stray dogs, with their guns, so I am not sure how much help the animal control option will be. Please, just tell me something so I can have a little ammo to take to this jacka$$.
Also, please, please, please tell me that this is not a normal thing in the reptile industry. I realize that a pet store has GOT to be alot of work, but surely conditions like these are completely unacceptable to most of the herp community, I know they were for me and it really has saddened and frustrated me to no end. I apologize for the length of this but if it makes you guys feel any better, I feel alot better now that I have vented, and hopefully i can get some good ammo from you pros.
Thanks alot

Tim Larson
 
poor husbandry

My suggestion would be to report them to the ASPCA, humane society and a local PETA group.........trust me, those three will tun the owners of that shop inside out.

regards,
William Horn
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LOCAL STORE

This sounds very similar to our local "one off" privately owned store called Valley Pets in Colorado.

The last animal I noticed that died in their care was a juvenile red tegu. After walking into the reptile room, the smell of death was very noticeable....... why did it die?........like most animals (reptiles in their care) they simply starve to death!

They DO NOT FEED them. Their feeding practices when applied are a lot to be desired, 6ft burmese is fed one adult mouse per week.

They also have a habit of leaving LIVE adult rats in with other snakes that have no desire to eat.

I did bring home a juvenile savannah monitor from this store (11 inches long) that had a flat paddle tail, sunken in hips, thin all over with numerous stuck on sheds. I brought it home because I knew I could save it before it starved to death, I would guess that it had about 2 - 3 weeks left in it.

It is now nice and fat, healthy and active, was soaked everyday and now looks like a savannah.

I have also noticed a BW tegu in an aquarium with goldfish at this store?

I'll leave that one and this store to your own thoughts.
 
Tim,

It is very nice to know that someone like you cares enough to want to do something when you see something like this.

I was in your same situation with a local pet store about a year or so ago. All I did was call animal control, and after my complaint, the store was a lot better. Cages were cleaner, water bowls full of fresh water, etc. If you there is not an animal control you can call, William had the good ideas of calling the ASPCA, etc. The more calls made to comlplain about this place, the more that animal control, ASPCA, etc will be keeping an eye out.

Take care!
Billy Fraser
 
If the humane society in your area has no legal authority, report the shop to the Dept. of Agriculture. Most states have laws that the pet shops have to be inspected by the Dept. of Ag.. Next step is to contact the Health Dept. for your county. Play it up as a possible health risk to humans. People who don't know reptiles are scared to death of salmonella.
Just be prepared though, here in NC, if you call in a complaint, they are usually stupid enough to tell the people who complained!
Hopefully your area is better.
Sometimes we have to take risks.
Candy King
 
mycurlylocks

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This is exactly what I plan on doing. The number of reptile deaths in this place make it more of a death camp for reptiles.... it's just discusting.

Numerous complaints have been issued about the place I mentioned, but nothing has changed.

I guess if enough people keep complaining, then they will do something to stop the complaints.............. well, maybe!
 
PETA is not our friend....

Owning a pet store specilizing in herps, and seeing some pretty nasty examples of husbandry in my field of work, I also suggest that you contact animal control and report any abuse you have seen to them. By law in most places, they have to make an inspection. However, do not call PETA. That is a poor idea, plain and simple. They are not our friends, not yours, not mine. They will use any excuse to push forward thier agenda of zero pet ownership, and by contacting them over this poorly run store, you are just helping them out. Let the law be on our side, leave PETA out of our affairs. My only other suggestion is this...let your money do the talking. Stay out of that store. Tell your friends to do the same. Word of mouth is a death sentence to most pet stores. Do not give them a penny. And lay off the mercy purchases also. This only helps them financially, two fold. Number one, it makes them a sale. And number two, it saves them from the loss of livestock. This may sound awfull, and I am sorry for the animal, but if you keep doing this, it will just encourage them to continue. After all, someone will feel sorry for the monitor (or whatever it is) and will buy it. Why change thier practices if profit is the result? In ten years I have had two complaints turned in to animal control, one for mites on an iguana (which was being treated at the time), and another for some of my lizards not having water bowls (these were phelsuma, which of course normaly don't drink from bowls, but are sprayed twice daily for thier water supply). Having any complaints at all is unjustified, and the store should be put out of business by YOU, the consumer, by not shopping there, period. (By the way, we now have the phelsuma on an upper shelf so no one can see that the water bowls in thier terrariums are empty, because no one likes to be reported, even when not justified).

Thanks, ken foose
 
Gotta agree with Mr Foose... leave the quasi-terrorists out of it. They serve no useful purpose and are a mere waste of bio-matter.
 
I too agree about PETA, but I would include most local humane societies in that "never call them" list. The fact of the matter is that these organizations are just looking for reasons to take pets (especially reptiles) away from all of us. I would never give them any more ammunition than they already have from the simpletons who allow their two-year-old children access to their adult, hungry burmese!

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PETA

Im glad Ken argued my PETA suggestion, thinking back those are the same screwballs that protested a local county fair one year. while they do have the animals best interest in mind their tactics are unrealistic and highly exagerated.

William Horn
BriarpatchHerps @aol.com
 
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