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Inquiry Genefreak339 / Michael Harshbarger

Genefreak339 said:
I also asked you at least 10 times to explain the whole shipping it to another person situation. Can you do this? Because you have done nothing but ignored that question!!
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Doesn't it bother you when someone refuses to answer a question? They dance around it. Then they hope you forget. Then after a while you ask it again and then they say.... I have already answered that many times. I am getting tired of answering it.

Oh wait. YOU did that.

Genefreak339 said:
He has been and still is ignoring my question about the snake being shipped to another person.
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Yeah you seem to be really bothered by that.

Why were you misrepresenting your non existent lemonblast, IMG, axanthic pin? The answer is not "I changed the add". Saying I changed the add does not answer the question.
 
R. Eventide said:
If Michael didn't refund the snake after it was returned to him, that would be it for him on this site, period..
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Wait you mean genefreak is not done yet? You mean there will be more satisfied (for now) customers?

Well I guess it is okay if he supposedly buys an axanthic pin.
Then he trys to seel it as an IMG, axanthic, possible lemonblast.
It is okay for him to sell one snake and then send another.
It is okay for him to sell snakes he does not have and are in someone elses possesion.
It is okay for him to buy snakes and then go around the forums and say He hit the odds and finally produced the aforementioned snake.

Well if you guys aren't done with him..... go right ahead keep sending the scammer money.
I know deep in my gut these problems will always surround him. He can't tell the truth about little things. It is only amatter of time. Greed and lying has a grip on him.

Just like all the scammers from the past. They all had did good business too.
Their customers ended up apologizing down the road. Some may have taken years to figure out they were scammed. But it is okay. I got time. I been around a while. Here You can even copy this now and paste it in a couple years -----> Ritchie you were right.

MARK MY WORDS :yesnod:
 
R. Eventide said:
If Michael didn't refund the snake after it was returned to him, that would be it for him on this site, period.
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Yes, everybody makes mistakes, and accidents happen. When a person leaves his (her) path littered with them, and the resolution isn't swift and clean, buyers SHOULD take the hint and avoid that seller. Sorry, but history has repeatedly shown that this is not the case...too many people use price as the sole buying point, too many people disregard a person's history, too many people are swayed by salesmen (and their gimmicks). I could go down the list of sellers that have sucked people in long after anybody figured they would be able to ...all it takes is managing to pull off a few simple transactions, which is pretty darn easy when you think about it.
 
deborahbroadus said:
they are both appearing shady. Also the fact that the buyer "shipped" it to someone else and is now attempting to get the seller to pay for those charges also.:shrug01:
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I have done nothing shady. I purchased a Pewter female from Michael that showed up 200 g short of the advertised weight and was a male to boot. I put my trust in Michael to send me a female when I purchased a female, I trusted him to ship me a snake that weighed the same (within daily variations) as the advertised weight. I was wrong on both counts for trusting him.

As I mentioned a few posts up, I am new to Ball Pythons so I have limited training in the determination of their gender. Figuring that it was better to learn how to probe a snake from someone skilled in the practice (rather than just slamming a probe in and risking injury to the snake), I figured it would be good to learn from a good teacher. That is the prudent way to learn in my opinion.

Well, I sent the snake in question to a friend that has many years experience in the business and knows very well how to pop and probe snakes. I was going to visit him so he could teach me to properly pop and probe a ball python. Well, he got the supposedly female snake and quickly popped her and out pop hemipenes. I didn't make the trip and had the snake shipped back.

As one could imagine, I was pissed to find out that the "Female" snake I had hoped would hit breeding weight this season was actually a much less valuable MALE. That is why I asked Michael to pay for the shipping. I dropped that request once I cooled off from being so incensed from being thoroughly ripped off.

In the end, I want Michael to follow through on his post saying he will refund the full amount paid, shipping that I paid to get the snake here in the first place and the return shipping via paypal. Once he follows through, I will ship him back his pewter male and be done with dealing with him forever.
 
dchristensen said:
I have done nothing shady. I purchased a Pewter female from Michael that showed up 200 g short of the advertised weight and was a male to boot. I put my trust in Michael to send me a female when I purchased a female, I trusted him to ship me a snake that weighed the same (within daily variations) as the advertised weight. I was wrong on both counts for trusting him.

As I mentioned a few posts up, I am new to Ball Pythons so I have limited training in the determination of their gender. Figuring that it was better to learn how to probe a snake from someone skilled in the practice (rather than just slamming a probe in and risking injury to the snake), I figured it would be good to learn from a good teacher. That is the prudent way to learn in my opinion.

Well, I sent the snake in question to a friend that has many years experience in the business and knows very well how to pop and probe snakes. I was going to visit him so he could teach me to properly pop and probe a ball python. Well, he got the supposedly female snake and quickly popped her and out pop hemipenes. I didn't make the trip and had the snake shipped back.As one could imagine, I was pissed to find out that the "Female" snake I had hoped would hit breeding weight this season was actually a much less valuable MALE. That is why I asked Michael to pay for the shipping. I dropped that request once I cooled off from being so incensed from being thoroughly ripped off.

In the end, I want Michael to follow through on his post saying he will refund the full amount paid, shipping that I paid to get the snake here in the first place and the return shipping via paypal. Once he follows through, I will ship him back his pewter male and be done with dealing with him forever.
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Please post the tracking number for this so we can see if the seller will keep his word and refund your money.
 
So Dale did you send the other three snake I sold you to your friend also? It just seems odd that I sell you four snakes but you decide to send one to someone to sex it??? Then you ignore us asking for you to post a tracking number????

I have already sent your money back to you. Do I need to post a screen shot showing the paypal payment?
 
Genefreak339 said:
So Dale did you send the other three snake I sold you to your friend also? It just seems odd that I sell you four snakes but you decide to send one to someone to sex it??? Then you ignore us asking for you to post a tracking number????

I have already sent your money back to you. Do I need to post a screen shot showing the paypal payment?
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You already know the answer to that. :D

I'd also like to see the tracking info.
 
KelliH said:
You already know the answer to that. :D

I'd also like to see the tracking info.
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I would say this is a fair request Kellie, however, I do not see any reason Gfreak should be held liable for the "shipping back and forth between friends"... That was Dale's decision to do so and I can appreciate the reason why, as a matter of fact I commend him for being humble enough to admit that he doesn't know enough to properly sex the snake but with saying that, a simple trip to the local petstore would have given Dale the same results. I am not under any circumstances siding with Gfreak on this, I personally think he is a scumbag but right is right, and fair is fair. As far as I'm concerned, he is liable for the entire purchase price as well as shipping back, nothing more.
 
* nothing more regarding this particular case... If he isn't careful (and his actions have shown us all that he isn't) he could be and should be held accountable for a lot more in his near future if drastic changes in the way he conducts his business aren't made. Mike, what you are doing is both reckless and irresponsible, bottom line man... Seriously, straighten up and fly right. You are in this business WITH us, do your part and conduct yourself accordingly. Provide your customers with the best you have to offer, show them the utmost respect and dignity, don't prey on their ignorance... You want to do that, go sell used cars man. These are animals, and to most of us these are like our children.. I myself don't have any snakes and know little about them... You guys should'be seen the blank look on my face when reading the morph names :shrug01: LOL, but I do know, own, love and sell beardies. As many of these BOI's that I have read regarding BP's, it frightens me to think how easy a bottom feeder like you Mike could scare me out of buying one of these beautiful creatures. Most of the rest of these guys in here are merely trying to keep that from happening and I can respect that, but you have to do your part Mike, you're on the wrong side of fence.. get your S*** together or get out.
 
Dale, in case it might help in the future, I believe there is a place called Avian and Exotic pet care or vet in Raliegh that should be close and able to sex snakes for a resonable price.
 
Agreed with above about the return shipping from "friends". GFreak should NOT have to pay for that EVER. DChristensen,you need to go to local, area show and ask around for someone to show you how to "pop" an animal. I bet I usually end up popping 4-5 snakes every month at the show I attend.
 
dchristensen said:
I have done nothing shady. I purchased a Pewter female from Michael that showed up 200 g short of the advertised weight and was a male to boot. I put my trust in Michael to send me a female when I purchased a female, I trusted him to ship me a snake that weighed the same (within daily variations) as the advertised weight. I was wrong on both counts for trusting him.

As I mentioned a few posts up, I am new to Ball Pythons so I have limited training in the determination of their gender. Figuring that it was better to learn how to probe a snake from someone skilled in the practice (rather than just slamming a probe in and risking injury to the snake), I figured it would be good to learn from a good teacher. That is the prudent way to learn in my opinion.

Well, I sent the snake in question to a friend that has many years experience in the business and knows very well how to pop and probe snakes. I was going to visit him so he could teach me to properly pop and probe a ball python. Well, he got the supposedly female snake and quickly popped her and out pop hemipenes. I didn't make the trip and had the snake shipped back.

As one could imagine, I was pissed to find out that the "Female" snake I had hoped would hit breeding weight this season was actually a much less valuable MALE. That is why I asked Michael to pay for the shipping. I dropped that request once I cooled off from being so incensed from being thoroughly ripped off.
In the end, I want Michael to follow through on his post saying he will refund the full amount paid, shipping that I paid to get the snake here in the first place and the return shipping via paypal. Once he follows through, I will ship him back his pewter male and be done with dealing with him forever.
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He is no longer asking to be reimbursed for those shipping charges. For me, nothing else is needed from the buyer or seller except the tracking number and paypal screenshot. Any avoiding those will look even worse.
 
Just throwing this out there for those saying "a simple trip to the pet store" would have given Dale the same results, or that he should have gone to a local show to have someone pop/probe -- not everyone lives in an area where these would be options. I live in Madison, Wisconsin, a city of approximately 350,000 people. We're the state capital and the University of Wisconsin main campus is here -- a Big Ten school. However, despite being a large city that is a hub for most of the population of the southern half of Wisconsin, we don't have much for reptile/exotics - related things. Until Reptile Rapture opened up last year, the only pet stores here were Animart, PetSmart, and Pet World -- all are your generic type of pet store run by teenagers and college students with zero knowledge of what they are selling, and NONE of which I would EVER let touch my snake let alone pop it or probe it. We have a show here in Madison once or twice a year -- that's it. The nearest monthly show is in Wheaton, Illinois, about 5 hours away round-trip. I also don't know anyone at all in Madison that works with ball pythons and would know how to determine gender on one. Only person I know is Garrick DeMeyer, and he lives 2 hours north in Wausau. It may just be me, but if I didn't know how to properly sex a snake and needed to verify gender on a new purchase, I would much rather ship the snake to a reliable and knowledgeable person to have it done than drive 5 hours to a show and back or 4 hours round-trip to a well-known breeder. So before you blast Dale for his decision to ship the snake, consider that perhaps he didn't have any other nearby options. Just food for thought. :shrug01:
 
Let me kick this one off.. For the record Jen, I didn't put Dale on blast, I actually complimented him for being humble enough to know he doesn't know.. with that being said, everything I learned in the beginning on how to sex a Beardie I learned form watching videos on YouTube, there are an extensive amount. I even learned how to completely Detail Dress my Glock 22C from watching a video on YouTube...and not that its relevant but I also learned how to make an origami swan from a YouTube video. Point being, they have a ga-jillion very informative, very detailed videos at your disposal. How about his vet? My guess is the vet can't be too awfully far away... If that wasn't an avenue he was willing to take, that was his prerogative. He is a big boy and is entitled to make a decision he thinks is best, maybe shipping to his buddy (for sexing reasons or not) was the right thing for him to do... No one can know. All I'm saying and others agreed with were there were other options he could've chosen but didn't. Either way, his decision= his money.
 
I've become so jaded from reading these kinds of interactions that until events are proven, no one gets the benefit of a doubt (unless I know them and their character personally). Since the issue has been (apparently) resolved, rehashing it won't change anything, imo.

I just want to point out the difficulty we had getting a tracking number (I never believe the excuse that someone is too "busy" with their lives to get on Fauna and post a simple number or answer a question (but I admit that that's just me).

I also want to point out that I personally do not know the person or character of the breeder to whom the animal was shipped and this was a breeding sized male.

I also want to point out the time lapse involved in reporting the wrong sex....

So, me being me and this involves all my own "white noise" my first suspicion was this was another way to get a free morph and get the money back at the same time. If I have overlooked something that proves the contrary, my apologies...I am not accusing anyone..but instead of providing excuses for anyone's behavior, I try and see how the behavior would affect the transaction and who benefits from any of those presented behaviors.

This is a general observation and not an accusation.
 
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