Inquiry Genefreak339 / Michael Harshbarger

[hhmoore]

Actually, I was supposed to be purchasing a cinny pewter but she was supposed to be 785 g and showed up at 606 g.

I will let everybody know the results.

Gotcha - when you showed the pic from the ad (black pewter), I thought that was what you intended to buy.

 

[Genefreak339]

Ok sorry for not posting on here earlier but I thought my account was banned for a year. I do plan on refunding Dale some cash to make up for the differnce in weight of the pewter.
As far as an explanation to the pics here goes:

When I posted that ad on kingsnake I was posting all black pastel crosses and I assumed (which I shouldnt have) everyone could clearly see that they were. As you can see from the pic from the ad you can tell pretty well that it is a black pewter. Well when Dale contacted me asking if I had a cinny pewter I figured he was just asking and I did happen to have one so I told him yes. Well Dale sent me some money as a deposit and we didnt speak for 2 or 3 weeks. Well when I was looking back through my emails I was reading dales and confused myself with which pewter he wanted. **As you can see in the screen shot Ive attached**



I never tried to market that black pewter as the cinny pewter I was selling dale it was just a huge mix up. I own up to the weight but I never honestly said the cinny pewter was 785grams, that was the ad for the black pewter. Ill take the blame though as I never made it clear with Dale and I should have made sure everything was good to go before finalizing the deal.

-Michael

 

[dchristensen]

To be clear, I was interested in either cinnamon pewters or black pewters, what was critical to me was the size. I wanted a pewter that would reach breedable size this year to breed with my killer bee male. I didn't care if I was going to get pewter bees, sterlings and sterling bees or black pewters, black widows, silver streaks and silver streak bees.

The ad I responded to said:

Females! 300gram Pewter Ghost, 400gram Pewter Bee, 700grams Pewter

Posted by Michael Harshbarger (Contact Me!) on July 02, 2011 at 13:35:25
Registered PetHobbyist User since 2010-06-24

All 3 of these girls are live rat eaters and growing fast!

0.1 Pewter ghost $2500/obo
0.1 Pewter Bee $2700
0.1 Pewter $1000/obo

Thanks for looking!
-Michael Harshbarger
228.216.1668
________________________________________

The following was added on 07/02/11
Updated weights:

Pewter ghost 478grams
Pewter bee 468grams
Pewter 785grams

So, I figured with a couple months to put on a couple hundred grams was easily doable to get her to breeding weight. When she arrived at 606 g instead of the 785 g, that is what really bothered me.

In the end, I did get a partial refund from Michael tonight to settle this matter and I consider it closed.

 

[BrooklynJoe]

Well me also being a "victim" of the "karma abuse", it really sucks. So I say that to say aside from Dale is there anyone else who will speak to his business of transactions.

 

[dchristensen]

The recurrent nightmare...

So, I thought the matter was closed, but given that I'm new to ball pythons I asked someone who I respect in the BP business to check the sex on the snake for me just to be sure.

So, I get a phone call back and guess what, the supposedly 835 g female that was then a 606 g snake turns out to be a male.

Here are the pics that show the popping of the pewter! Certainly looks like hemipenes to me.

I would just like to get my money back from him so that I can move on from this nightmare.

-Dale

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

So, I thought the matter was closed, but given that I'm new to ball pythons I asked someone who I respect in the BP business to check the sex on the snake for me just to be sure.

So, I get a phone call back and guess what, the supposedly 835 g female that was then a 606 g snake turns out to be a male.

Here are the pics that show the popping of the pewter! Certainly looks like hemipenes to me.

I would just like to get my money back from him so that I can move on from this nightmare.

-Dale

Michael, do you know how to sex a snake?

Let me guess you purchased this snake as a female from a trusted person and never bothered to re-check it before flipping it or did you just lie and sold it as a female knowing it was a male?

 

[HerpVenue]

He can't answer you
genefreak is too busy posting on the forums how he hit the odds producing a certain snake. But in actuality he just bought the gosh darn thing.

 

[Genefreak339]

I am looking into this and have been trying to talk to Dale, who is no longer replying. As I stated before, I tried to settle this conflict during the beginning; I took responsibility for the size indifference and offered to refund money. My requirement was that snake needed to be returned first (which is common practice in almost every business). Dale choose not to comply! During my conversation with Dale today, he stated that he probed the snake today, attempted to pop it, then sent it to a friend who somehow received the package already today and popped it? My standard practice dealing with a ball python sale is a courteous two week health and sex guarantee. This courtesy's time frame has elapsed by approximately a month, so forgive me for being weary of this sudden discovery. Despite my two week terms, I will still accept the snake back. If I distinguish it to be a male, I will cover the original shipping cost, return cost, and purchase price of the snake.

 

[deborahbroadus]

He can't answer you
genefreak is too busy posting on the forums how he hit the odds producing a certain snake. But in actuality he just bought the gosh darn thing.

Evidence?

 

[RobNJ]

My standard practice dealing with a ball python sale is a courteous two week health and sex guarantee.

You only guarantee the sex of a snake for 2 weeks?

 

[dchristensen]

My standard practice dealing with a ball python sale is a courteous two week health and sex guarantee. This courtesy's time frame has elapsed by approximately a month, so forgive me for being weary of this sudden discovery. Despite my two week terms, I will still accept the snake back. If I distinguish it to be a male, I will cover the original shipping cost, return cost, and purchase price of the snake.

Michael, I would be willing to take you up on your offer with one slight change. As you can imagine, after supposedly buying a 785 g pewter female, I receive a 606 g pewter male; I am a little skeptical of your honesty. I feel quite confident that if I were to send him back to you that I would never see my money again.

The gender of this snake is not in question, just look at the picture a few posts up.

Therefore, if you make a paypal payment to me for the shipping ($50 for each direction) and the remainder of the purchase price I will ship him back to you tomorrow and you will have your pewter boy to sale again.

I have never promised something in this deal and then not delivered. I said I would make a deposit, it was made. I said I would send the final payment before shipping, I did. I said that if you refunded some of the money, I would post here that you did and I did exactly that. If you refund my money, you will get your snake back.

-Dale

 

[Genefreak339]

Yes, I offer a two week guarantee to provide ample time to assure the snake is what was purchased. Breeders of all sizes occasionally make mistakes, but a lot of other breeders only offer a 7 day guarantee.

Dale,
I have to stick to my return policy. You just recently joined this network and I do not have any prior knowledge of you on any other ball python forum/website. It was unusual that you avoided my questions and cellular contact today when I was inquiring about your disorganized story, but yet you were able to resume contact on here? I even asked if you still had the snake since you said you shipped it off, but there was no response. You have security with PayPal because when you ship it back you will have confirmation through the tracking number and they will force a refund if I do not comply; whereas I do not have that protection if I just refund you the money.

 

[dchristensen]

Michael, you say...

You have security with PayPal because when you ship it back you will have confirmation through the tracking number and they will force a refund if I do not comply; whereas I do not have that protection if I just refund you the money.

That is why I ask for you to make it as a payment to me, that way you have the protection. If I do not ship it they will force a refund. You have protection that way.

--Dale

 

[laterob]

C'mon, Michael! 34,000+ views!
The snake you sent wasn't the snake you listed. It happens. You do have protection here from PayPal. It was your mistake, you need to extend the olive branch. Just refund the guy's money already.

 

[Genefreak339]

As I stated before, I am sticking to my policy; it is put in place for a reason. I have been trying to address this issue in a professional manor and rectify this situation, and I have provided, more than adequate, compensation. I have had abundant successful transactions that my buyers can vouch for, but how do I know that there is not some kind of trickery involved on your end? I am not accusing you of such, but this is an example of why my policy is in place. I am still curious where the snake is as of now because you told be you send it off and I would like to know why you have been avoiding my text messages?

 

[David Reid]

Is this strike seven, or eight.....

Refund the guy shipping and the difference in what he paid for: a female Pewter of a certain weight, but got a smaller male. Maybe $300 bucks and have him ship the snake back to you. If he does not, deal is done, if he does, complete the refund.

Dave

 

[Kristi23]

Yes, I offer a two week guarantee to provide ample time to assure the snake is what was purchased. Breeders of all sizes occasionally make mistakes, but a lot of other breeders only offer a 7 day guarante.

Most breeders offer a health guarantee for a short amount of time, but the sex should be covered for as long as it takes. Not everyone can sex a snake, especially if it's small. If you sell something as a female, it should be a female. If the person can prove it's the same snake, there should not be an issue with refunding for the incorrect sex.

 

[dchristensen]

how do I know that there is not some kind of trickery involved on your end?

This is ridiculous...

I see an ad for a 785 g FEMALE pewter and in good faith I pay a fair market value for that product. It turns out that I am shipped a 606 g MALE pewter that because of the smaller size and the wrong gender has considerable less value.

If there is any trickery going on, it is not by me. The record is clear, I am the one who has been tricked.

Please be professional about this. I am unwilling to open myself up to get ripped off again by someone that has already pulled a bait-and-switch.

I am, however, willing to settle this situation by letting you repay me as a new payment through paypal where you have protection if I do not ship the snake. You have acknowledged that you are protected if I do not ship and I lose the paypal fees by this method, but I am willing to take that loss.

The alternative is that I continue my dispute with my credit card company so they can recover my money, I initiate a dispute with kingsnake.com based on your proven false advertisement, and I open up a claim with the US Postal Inspectors Office to investigate you for fraudulent interstate commerce.

Please let me know when I can expect the payment.

 

[deborahbroadus]

This is ridiculous...

I see an ad for a 785 g FEMALE pewter and in good faith I pay a fair market value for that product. It turns out that I am shipped a 606 g MALE pewter that because of the smaller size and the wrong gender has considerable less value.

If there is any trickery going on, it is not by me. The record is clear, I am the one who has been tricked.

Please be professional about this. I am unwilling to open myself up to get ripped off again by someone that has already pulled a bait-and-switch.

I am, however, willing to settle this situation by letting you repay me as a new payment through paypal where you have protection if I do not ship the snake. You have acknowledged that you are protected if I do not ship and I lose the paypal fees by this method, but I am willing to take that loss.

The alternative is that I continue my dispute with my credit card company so they can recover my money, I initiate a dispute with kingsnake.com based on your proven false advertisement, and I open up a claim with the US Postal Inspectors Office to investigate you for fraudulent interstate commerce.

Please let me know when I can expect the payment.

Like GFreak said....

A wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who. ~Jay-Z

He's already said he is not going to do it because of his "policy." He said:

As I stated before, I am sticking to my policy

I wouldn't waste time arguing with him after this statement, and I certainly wouldn't be giving him any more time...but that's just me. Good luck.

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Michael, I would be willing to take you up on your offer with one slight change. As you can imagine, after supposedly buying a 785 g pewter female, I receive a 606 g pewter male; I am a little skeptical of your honesty. I feel quite confident that if I were to send him back to you that I would never see my money again.

The gender of this snake is not in question, just look at the picture a few posts up.

Therefore, if you make a paypal payment to me for the shipping ($50 for each direction) and the remainder of the purchase price I will ship him back to you tomorrow and you will have your pewter boy to sale again.

I have never promised something in this deal and then not delivered. I said I would make a deposit, it was made. I said I would send the final payment before shipping, I did. I said that if you refunded some of the money, I would post here that you did and I did exactly that. If you refund my money, you will get your snake back.

-Dale

That sounds very fair to me and Dale if he refuses this offer personally I would start a new not informational but Bad Guy thread.

Michael don't be such a loser and do the right thing!!