Genetic Snow X SHTCTB

[Gregg M]

Is one of the parents even a Mac snow????

 

[MrCharlieGreen]

Good job that looks gorgous!

 

[Hues1]

I see 2 people have asked you for a pic of the adult "genetic-snow" and one person has asked you if one of the parents is even a "Mack" snow...care to post pictures or answer the question?

 

[Gregg M]

Yeah, I dont know what the hold up is all about..... I have a feeling it was a linebred snow...... Something also tells me it will yellow up as it grows and not be hypo..... Its a pretty little leo now though....

 

[Xavier]

Sorry for being ignorant here

I see 2 people have asked you for a pic of the adult "genetic-snow" and one person has asked you if one of the parents is even a "Mack" snow...care to post pictures or answer the question?

Is there any reason why there are people doubting what Dan has here?

 

[groovygeckos]

honestly

sorry it took so long to respond i have been very busy
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But the title says it all .

but ,considering "his" parents are a Codom-Snow and a SHTCTB , im fairly certain there will be a noticeable difference (crossing fingers and toes and well ... my eyes ).

just quoting myself from earlier in the thread .

so i really do not see what the confusion is here !

Yeah, I dont know what the hold up is all about..... I have a feeling it was a linebred snow...... Something also tells me it will yellow up as it grows and not be hypo.....

Gregg , why would you say that ? as for yellowing , yes you are correct . the co-dom snows have a good bit of yellow as adults and if you look at a baby co-dom they are black and white . this little guy is dark grey , light grey , and pure bright white no spotting on the white at all .

you know how hypos banding fades away . right ? , well this one looks to be fading allready .

thats a good sign from where i sit , that it will show at least some hypo influence .

Jenn and Kelli , i am working on pictures still .......sorry you guys (girls) it may take me a while to get pix im happy w/ posting .

 

[Gregg M]

I say that because usually the yellows on the snows do not show for some time..... Yours already has yellowing..... But hey if it is what you say it is than cool for you..... I would like to see it as an adult..... I know how hypos work and there is no way you can tell so early on..... The banding hides alot..... I am somewhat doubting you because it sounded as if you doubted the genetics of your animal in the original post..... Maybe it was just the way I was reading it..... Cant wait to see a pic of the male though..... Sorry if it sounded like I was "calling you out".... Later Dan....

Gregg

 

[groovygeckos]

OK Gregg

if you meant where i said "double co-dom ? " its because im unsure about the hypo part , and if hypo is even a co-dom trait (everyone has a different answer ) .
yea he has a tiny bit of yellow on the legs only . the mother is solid ,yellow/orange and spotless . it does look a little different than the baby-snow in John Mack`s picture .

and im sure the mothers genetics could have something to do with that.

 

[SFgeckos]

hey dan

nice looking gecko...it would be nice to see pics of the parents whenever u can get them...(isnt that a nicer way of asking, then ACCUSING some one of being a liar?)...

or if u cant get pics, just say who u bought the co dom snow from, or show a pic of the receipt...i know how it is to always have people doubting because people do that to me all the time haha

but dont worry about it- if u got what u say u have and u have proof, then forget what others think? i know many times, people dont believe i have this or that animal, so i just show them a photo of a receipt or a contact number to the person who sold them to me. that way i dont give the non believing/doubting party the PRIVILEGE or the PLEASURE to see my animals LOL..im so mean haha

-jon

 

[Chris@TSE]

Can't get pics? You can snap photos of the baby yet not the adult sire?

Please, I'd like to see a photo of this animal too. I'm also interested to see why Alex has shown interest in obtaining an answer and\or photo.

Sounds to me like your co-dom may not be what yo are claiming it is.

I do know one thing, I was informed of others working with this particular project when making our investment, and you were not one of them....

I also know that if you had purchased one AFTER we started our project, there is absolutely NO possibility you could have produced one by now, let alone any eggs.

Some clarification may be in order, and please don't take this the wrong way. Some very reasonable questions have been raised, answers would be appropriate.

 

[Chris@TSE]

"You show me yours, I'll show you mine."

 

[Chris@TSE]

BTW, I also got your email on 3/14 yet did not respond. So, who did you get your co-dom from? To my knowledge the only people you could have possibly obtained a legitimate specimen from would be Alex or the Macks themselves. Please enlighten me, Im quite interested. BTW, how is your "genetic snow" doing now?

Chris, just wondered , who did you get your snow from ? any fecal tests ? mine had an ameoba(sp?) and pinworms , didnt have him for too long and keep them very clean . just wanted to see if anyone else had any problems .
Thanks
Best wishes , Dan Poe
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[Dan Lubinsky]

A few months ago I posted a KS ad for some orange amel fatties, stating the parents were from Leos Anonymous, A7M and Masterpiece. Some bottom feeder promptly emailed me stating that they were part of a group he'd sold, strongly hinting that I was lying. Here are copies of some invoices for high end animals recently purchased, including a co-dom snow from Alex. After seeing the specs on the new Corvette Z06 coming out in the fall, the snow and some more fatties (invoice from Leos Anonymous encl.) went up for sale. Dan Poe zoomed in and bought the male snow - he even offered a baby or two. If you are a prospective purchaser and want proof of origin that's one thing. After selling Dan Poe several animals I have been very pleased with our dealings. All of my customers and those I've bought from in the past few years have been great !! Let's get real - we all love our little guys and girls but our relationships with our own species should take precedent.

 

[Chris@TSE]

"Dan Poe zoomed in and bought the male snow - he even offered a baby or two."

I never saw it listed for sale Dan. Care to share when this transaction took place? A delivery date would be nice.

"our relationships with our own species should take precedent."

You mean your potential relationship with the new Corvette Z06 right?

 

[Hues1]

interesting....

So let me get this straight, the whole cat and mouse BS you preached to me about wanting to get into a new exciting project and how you were going to get this Mack snow setup with a breeding group of rainwaters was just that...B.S., what about you telling me that you were all excited about seeing the results of producing a super snow albino or snow albino? B.S. too I guess.

Its one thing to sell an animal you own...thats your perogative, its another to buy it under false pretense...considering I've been very "picky" of who I sold them to just because they were very limited in number. Realistically, if dan poe was producing mack snows by now...he would've received the Mack Snow from you within a couple days of me sending it to you. I sent it to you on the 7th. of January and he claims to have produced a snow on the 17th of March. Another thing that intriques me is...how dan poe would've known you had a mack snow in your possesion? and for sale non the less! considering the only person who has publicly stated they received one from me is Chris Johnson of TSE. Maybe because you purchased it for dan poe? or maybe he "talked" you into it?

You see, every big breeder out there picks and chooses who they want to work with a project when its first available...by picking and choosing the "right" people to get into a certain project, they ensure that project doesnt get ruined or side swiped...although about the only damage dan poe can do is to himself. Obviously I was suckered and made 1 bad choice out of 10.

Oh well...live and learn I guess.

To the other 9 people who have purchased a Mack Snow from me...I apologize for this "sidetrack"...I will stand behind 100% of what I stated when you purchased your Mack snow from me...I will try to the best of my ability to help ensure that you are successful in this project and help you with any problems or concerns that may arise.

 

[KelliH]

Chris, just wondered , who did you get your snow from ? any fecal tests ? mine had an ameoba(sp?) and pinworms , didnt have him for too long and keep them very clean . just wanted to see if anyone else had any problems .

Dan, did the gecko you sold Dan Poe have ameobas?? Scary stuff if true. :-(

 

[KelliH]

You see, every big breeder out there picks and chooses who they want to work with a project when its first available...by picking and choosing the "right" people to get into a certain project, they ensure that project doesnt get ruined or side swiped...although about the only damage dan poe can do is to himself. Obviously I was suckered and made 1 bad choice out of 10.

It's ok Alex, you couldn't have known. I guess the story about Dan having his Mommy buy the snow from you for him was only partially false. The Mommy part being the false part.

 

[Chris@TSE]

And just some info to elaborate on Kelli's remarks....

Ours came directly from Alex as many of you already know. It was given two clean bills of health by our Vet; once a week after arrival and another prior to its introduction to our females. He lost a bit of weight due to breeding and stopped feeding for a bit, but has since regained weight and is in perfect health.

 

[KelliH]

Ours came directly from Alex as many of you already know. It was given two clean bills of health by our Vet; once a week after arrival and another priot to its introduction to our females.

Thank you, Chris.

 

[Chris@TSE]

The time frame simply does not add up. The pictured invoice speaks volumes concerning the original purchase date, Alex has confirmed the shipping date, and Dan Poe has stated when this hatchling was born......

It seems that Dan L. purchased said animal with the sole intent of posing as the prospective buyer when in fact Dan. P was the intended purchaser. We already know very few people want to sell Dan Poe anything, and I can see this being a logical scenario. Alex would not have sold to him directly.... Makes sense... If indeed the hatchling photographed in the begining of this thread is a mack snow this confirms it. The time frame here does not allow for anything else.

Either that, or Dan Poe is lying about the hatchling produced and it is in fact line bred. The time frame here does not allow for much breathing room.....

Which is it guys? I'd really like to know. The people who have money invested in this project deserve to know and I do believe this was a VERY careless thing to do. You know the lengths Alex went to to protect this project Dan. How could you? You did not even bother consulting alex or atleast bringing it to his attention. If money was an issue I am certain he would have purchased said animal back from you to prevent this. UI am certain this is not the case. The fact that Dan P. avoided posting photos of this animal confirms that you guys did not want people to know who gave Dan the original animal. You knew it could be identified and pointed back to Dan L.

I guess Dan Poe could not contain his excitement with this hatchling.... Funny how the house quickly crumbles.

Please do your best to clear all of this up. Alot of people deserve explanations here.