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Genetic stripe litter. Didn't produce

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I bred a sunglow jungle to a genetic stripe het albino. Not a stripe in the group.
Can anyone tell me if I should get stripes using this combo? It's a small litter.
This boa came from the same guy my jungle het albino that didn't prove out. And the male I got from him died shortly after receiving. So my head is spinning again from dealing with this guy. Package deal that was to good to be true, WAS.

Rich
 
I have been working with a stripe line that seems to be proving co-dominat. A lot of work left to do but 8 years in the project. Everything I breed the stripe to produced stripes(het super stripe) and when breed stripe to stripe produced stripes and super stripes. when stripe to super stripe almost 1/2 the litter was super striped.Stripe to stripe produced all stripes
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Then I'd be very careful about the wording of "Super Stripe" as Jablonski has been using that one for a very long time. Looking forward to seeing more of these.
 
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Then I'd be very careful about the wording of "Super Stripe" as Jablonski has been using that one for a very long time. Looking forward to seeing more of these.
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first off I want to get out I am not trying to get in a pissing match.

the way I understand it is "super" means or is used for the dominate trait.
examples: hypo to hypo = super hypo

Motley to Motley = super motley

ghost to ghost = super ghost

so wouldn't stripe to stripe = super stripe???

The last thing I want to do is step on some one toes on something they named and not miss represent what I have. If I am incorrect I apologize and will try to change the way they are presented.
what are everyone's thoughts??
 
I'm not trying to start a pissing match in the least, man. "Super" has been used to describe the homozygous forms of incomplete dominant morphs, yes. But other things have been used as well. In this case, Matt Jablonski long ago started using the term Superstripe to describe his line of animals. This complicates matters a bit. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't want my animals confused for his, as this could create unhappy customers if they bought animals from your line, bred them to that line and the two didn't prove compatible.
 
"The Super Stripe gene first appeared in the US in the mid 90’s when a collector named Matt Jablonski acquired a reverse stripe boa and a Super Stripe from Central America, then believed to be the Yucatan Peninsula. The founding Super Stripe entered one collection where he successfully bred to produce a group of heterozygous offspring. Of the small number of heterozygous offspring produced, some were striped themselves and some were not. The amount of striping ranged from two connected saddles, to 3/4 body length. Our group of heterozygous offspring are the first to produce Super Stripes since the gene was originally proven."
 
Maybe Matts line should be called Jablonski super stripe line. I do believe since hypo x hypo creates super hypos and mot to mot are super mots, that Matt shouldn't be able to coin the phrase "super" . That almost would sound like he created all the supers. At least to people who don't know the whole difference. Maybe Jablonski supers stripes and Consolini super stripes. And just advertise they might not be compatible . Or,breed the two lines and see what happens? Just my 2 cents.

Thank you again James. I will try to pick up another of Nixons het stripes and see what happens.

I was hoping the genetic stripe and sunglow jungle would make a few crazy babies.
 
This is all fine and good but, in the 90's, Jablonski wasn't referring to the manner in which the mutation is passed on, but the quality of the animal's appearance. Therefore it isn't a description of the homozygous status, but the name of a line. As stated before not all homozygous forms of incomplete dominant mutations are referred to as supers, take for examples the Marrons and Roswells. They are more accurately named as the homozygous form bears the mutation name and the heterozygous forms are called hets for the mutation.

This hobby is really convoluted and confusion is easy to come by. Whenever confusion can be avoided, it is a good idea to avoid it. Just because it would generally be accepted to call an animal something, if it would create confusion and there is an easy way around it, that path is probably wisest. Again, I'm not being argumentative as anyone can do what they wish. I'm simply trying to help someone avoid problems in the future over things I've seen happen in the past.

Jablonski's Superstripes are a very well established line here in the States and even more so in Europe. The possibility for confusion is pretty high.

Chris
 
Just to clear the air. In all my adds that I have with the stripes up for sale they are all advertised as FULL STRIPE and not super stripe to avoid confussion. I have been listing them that way for the past couple years.
I am not out to confuse any one or to try to post them as something they are not.
 
Nobody thinks you're out to misrepresent your animals. Super Stripe is already the name of another boa line. Is it a bit unconventional? Sure. But it is what it is. "Super" is used a lot to describe other homozygous traits, but it certainly isn't a technical term. Considering your animals are not compatible with the already well-known Super Stripes, I'm sure Chris just thought it was something worth mentioning to save you a headache in the future.
 
Hey Guys! Quick note on the name... I coined the name 'Super Stripe' BEFORE there were 'Super' forms for Co-dominant type animals really being produced (Balls and Boas). So, I had no idea it would eventually lead to the confusion it did over the years... that is unfortunate, but it was simply a case of adding the 'super' to stripe since we believed they far surpassed the quality of anything at the time (in terms of linear stripes on boas that were being reproduced at the time). So, my bad all these years later to use the term 'super' but back in the day it just stuck because, well, we viewed them as SUPER (nice looking) stripes! As far as genetics on the line we took into the public eye, it acted recessive. Check out Anthony LeCompte and Maestro Exotics on Facebook for more info on them. Thanks- Hope this helps some...

Matt
 
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