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Ghost morph compatibility?

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I have read that some Ghost/Hypo morphs are not compatible with each other. Does anyone know which ones are compatible and which ones arent? I'm sure more testing/proving out is needed but wondering if anyone has had any experiences with the different ghosts. Thanks for your time.
 
I'm 99% certain that the orange, butterschotch, and green ghost hypos are all compatable.

I don't know if the "peach" or "citrus" ghosts have been bred to the other lines yet. Only time will tell if they are all compatable.
 
I'm 99% certain that the orange, butterschotch, and green ghost hypos are all compatable.
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If they are all compatible, then that would mean the same gene is responsible for the three "types".
That leads to the question of what determines which form the gene will take? Is it dependant on the pigmentation of the animal? By that I mean the shades of color the snake would have if not for the presence of the hypo gene.
Something has to govern whether the gene will result in a snake bearing a butterscotch tone, or what have you, if the same gene is responsible for all three forms.

If this is the case, then would it not be possible to produce any of the three types from a single snake depending on what additional color genes were present in the offspring. Meaning that depending on what it was bred to, could a "butterscotch" not at some point produce a "green"?

I admit to pretty much ignoring this morph when it was first marketed. This was largely due to what was in my opinion the misuse of the term ghost. I assumed it was just another attempt at a clever marketing term used by those who apparently have made a career out of assigning a morph name to every ball python they bring in from Africa.
Now we know it is inheritable, but I am still of the opinion that ghost is an improper term.
I still do not follow the morph very closely and am not completely familiar with what standard would be used to determine which type one would be classified as. This standard would increase in importance if all three of these hypos are 100% compatible.
 
I strike my prior comment about being 99% sure.

I'm positive that all 3 are in fact compatable. In fact, after reading this,
could a "butterscotch" not at some point produce a "green"?
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I do remember being told that Het "greens" have produced orange ghosts on more than 1 occasion.

Next year about this same time I will have alot more knowledge of this matter as I am going to be breeding 2 of the 3 lines together.
 
If het greens have produce butterscotch then I'm going with Clay's theory about other genes controlling the color type of the hypo. However, I also wanted to point out that it's possible that there are different mutant alleles of a common hypo gene that cause the different colors. In this theory they are compatible because they are all mutations of the same gene but slight variations in the different mutant alleles cause the different colors.

I while back I tried to get a feel for how many of the cases where ghost X ghost didn't produce ghosts included wild caught and hence unproven animals. I didn't get much response so I'm still wondering if a lot of the talk about ghost incompatibility might be due to ghost/hypos looking imports that aren't genetic at all.
 
If het greens have produce butterscotch
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I have never heard of greens producing butterscotches.

I also know that there are some lines that are not compatable with others. A few years ago, NERD bred a new "frosted" ghost with an orange ghost and got 0 ghosts and all double hets.

I think Ralphie also has proven that not all lines are compatable too.
 
In those two cases have all the lines even been proven genetic (i.e. has NERD proven the Frosted Ghost)?

I wouldn't be too surprised if there are multiple incompatible but genetic hypomenalistic mutations. However I'm not sure we can assume that every import that looks like a genetic ghost is one. I have heard of a group of imported presumed ghosts producing normals when bred together. Was this a case of incompatible genetic lines or where some of them not genetic ghosts at all? Could there be some non genetic causes of hypomalanistic looking imports which are being incorrectly assumed to be genetic ghosts?

I guess this would be a touchy subject and I don't want to discourage the search for new ghost bloodlines but the only case I've where I'm privy (just because the breeder published details on the pairings before they failed to produce ghosts) to the details of ghosts not being produced there where unproven imports involved. I've heard a little about other cases of ghost X ghost producing normals but no-one has stepped forward to indicate if both lines where proven or not yet. I don’t think there is any big conspiracy, I just wish there was more information available on ghost compatibility/incompatibility at this late date. The breeders are probably too busy moving on to their next projects to dwell on the details of the failed ones.
 
As I understand it, NERD's frosted ghost shed clear and looked awsome. I don't think its around anymore though.

This year is the first year of breeding its offspring together, to the best of my knowledge anyway.
 
Hopefully it will prove and just be incompatible with existing ghosts. It might be a little hard to figure out though if the only breeding was to the other ghost. Was the original frosted male or female?
 
Hopefully it will prove and just be incompatible with existing ghosts. It might be a little hard to figure out though if the only breeding was to the other ghost. Was the original frosted male or female?
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Huh?
 
Sorry.

I'm hoping NERDS frosted ghost will prove genetic (morphs addicts anonymous here). Since it didn't produce ghosts when bred to a proven ghost line (do I have those details right?) it seems to me that the two alternatives are that it's genetic but incompatible with the proven line or it might just not be genetic at all.

However, if the frosted ghost's only breeding was to the proven ghost line (it was a proven ghost right?) then the best we can hope is that the normal looking babies are double hets. Worse case (if frosted ghost isn't genetic) then they are just hets for the proven ghost line. Either way those babies can produce ghost of the proven line. What if some of those ghosts look a little frosted? It might be hard to tell just using those babies if frosted is genetic or not. It would be a lot cleaner and easier to figure out if the Frosted Ghost was a male and also produced offspring with a normal female since those babies wouldn't also have the regular ghost gene to confuse things.
 
I ran a search here on Fauna to locate discussions on the compatibility of the different lines of Hypo in Ball Pythons. Is their any new or updated information to be added to this thread? I want to ensure BallPythonMorphGallery.com has the most accurate information possible and to do this I need a tad bit of help. :)
 
I can tell you for certain that Bell orange ghosts and NERD orange ghosts are compatible because I paired a Bell OG male with a NERD line het OG female and got a beautiful OG in the clutch. I've heard that many of the orange ghost lines are compatible, but not all. Hope this helps.
 
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