GILBERT THOMPSON

[DThomas]

You know my ex??

Either that or he is speaking of mine...lol

 

[Justin Mitcham]

thanks man.. your the best..
there's definetly more to this then whats going on here...where's his buddy..why can't people just be upfront ...why the games etc...
Chad ..Gilbert..Courtney ..Matt whoever you are why the games..why the BS..it's because I hurt someones feelings and you think months or years later you want to attack me and run me out of the buisiness for it..well bro it won't work. I am here to stay... and my success will be my revenge...LOL

go visit my site.. EXTREMEHOGS.COM

this is the result of 12 years of hardwork,pain, joy ,dedication and customer service..hope you like it..I will be adding zoo stock hognose to the collection early next week..benifits of treating good people the way they need to be treated..

 

[Justin Mitcham]

Hmm..if I rememeber correctly doesn't Courtney live near Kansas City MO?
here's the header info from an old email..Dennis let me know what you find..
I appreciate it..



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[DThomas]

I had already checked Courtney's IP while he was logged in here, Nashville.

 

[Justin Mitcham]

Nashville, I know for sure he doesn't live there he live is MO somewhere...Or at least he use too, I found links on google referencing him living there as well..Thanks Dennis, just trying to figure this out and who put this chump up to this crap.. Apparently "Chad" is not man enough to tell us the truth about whats really going on and what the REAL motive for these post are..
I apologize for this crap, some of it is my fault for go off on these guys in the past, and perhaps there's some i'll will now floating around.
I really have made an effort in the last few years to grow up some..heck I have high blood pressure and I am only 30..Gotta keep my cool before I have a stroke or blow a ventricle..get devorst before I even get married etc...LOL

 

[DThomas]

The problem with IP addresses is you only get a generalized location, usually just the nearest main office. He very well could be in Kansas City and since he, (Courtney), is on Comcast Cable, it may just be resolving to the regional office for the area.

 

[Chad W.]

LOL....Everyone just calm down and stop trying to diagnose who I am.

I am Chad. I live in Kansas City. I do know Courtney, he is the friend I was refering to and he lives in Kansas City too, not Nashville. Courtney has nothing to do with my actions in this thread. I have never tried to disguise myself nor have I lied about anything. I post on many forums on the net and have so for years, so I am not new to threads like this. It isn't at all illogical that I am working from my own motivations. I may have been mistaken about Kelli, but that was not intentional.

I believe that I may have been a bit extreme in starting this (I'll be fair and honest), maybe I got a bit emotional...And unfortunately that gives plenty of ammo to those who would like to make this thread about something it isn't...But now I am objectively proposing to Justin that he defend his actions. Regardless of whether or not you feel that I went about it in the wrong way, let's look at the facts...

- Justin commercially collects wild male Collared Lizards with numbers between 50-70 each visit, it has yet to be defined how many visits he makes annually...

- Justin cares about his image and wants people to support his business...

- Justin has claimed that his collection is sustainable and that the population will replace the males that he's taken...But Justin has yet to provide an adequate citation for where he gets this information in this thread...

-I replied to an old thread because it contained information regarding this practice, which I believe to have had an impact on the recent Texas Bill that has been proposed...

Regardless of which side of the argument you happen to be on, the above are all facts that are in regards to this debate.

I feel that people should not support Justin because of his actions. By supporting him, they are supporting the commercial pillaging of wild populations of herp. I am not an environmentalist wacko by any stretch....I can't stand PETA and I am nothing close to a tree hugger...But I am a semi-seasoned field herper and especially when it comes to Collared Lizards (which I have seen over many trips through their habitat). I have been seeing Collared Lizards in the wild for many years including countless individuals...And based off of this knowledge and what I have gleaned from many old timers who I've learned from...I believe that collection at this level will adversely effect those populations. I also feel that it is unethical for Justin to cause this strictly for his personal proffit.

That's my opinion, and I'm stickin to it (until someone proves me wrong...?....?)...

 

[Chad W.]

Oh and also...For those complaining about me resuscitating this thread...I made the decision to do so as opposed to starting an entirely new thread...I figured that'd be the best idea.

 

[monkeywrench133]

LOL....Everyone just calm down and stop trying to diagnose who I am.

I am Chad. I live in Kansas City. I do know Courtney, he is the friend I was refering to and he lives in Kansas City too, not Nashville. Courtney has nothing to do with my actions in this thread. I have never tried to disguise myself nor have I lied about anything. I post on many forums on the net and have so for years, so I am not new to threads like this. It isn't at all illogical that I am working from my own motivations. I may have been mistaken about Kelli, but that was not intentional.

I believe that I may have been a bit extreme in starting this (I'll be fair and honest), maybe I got a bit emotional...And unfortunately that gives plenty of ammo to those who would like to make this thread about something it isn't...But now I am objectively proposing to Justin that he defend his actions. Regardless of whether or not you feel that I went about it in the wrong way, let's look at the facts...

- Justin commercially collects wild male Collared Lizards with numbers between 50-70 each visit, it has yet to be defined how many visits he makes annually...

- Justin cares about his image and wants people to support his business...

- Justin has claimed that his collection is sustainable and that the population will replace the males that he's taken...But Justin has yet to provide an adequate citation for where he gets this information in this thread...

-I replied to an old thread because it contained information regarding this practice, which I believe to have had an impact on the recent Texas Bill that has been proposed...

Regardless of which side of the argument you happen to be on, the above are all facts that are in regards to this debate.

I feel that people should not support Justin because of his actions. By supporting him, they are supporting the commercial pillaging of wild populations of herp. I am not an environmentalist wacko by any stretch....I can't stand PETA and I am nothing close to a tree hugger...But I am a semi-seasoned field herper and especially when it comes to Collared Lizards (which I have seen over many trips through their habitat). I have been seeing Collared Lizards in the wild for many years including countless individuals...And based off of this knowledge and what I have gleaned from many old timers who I've learned from...I believe that collection at this level will adversely effect those populations. I also feel that it is unethical for Justin to cause this strictly for his personal proffit.

That's my opinion, and I'm stickin to it (until someone proves me wrong...?....?)...

The information you base your opinion on is, at a minimum, two years old.

Justin has stated that he no longer engages in this activity.

Therefore: it is not a matter of proving your opinion wrong, because it is obviously irrelevant to the current reality of the situation.

 

[Jim O]

...I am a semi-seasoned field herper and especially when it comes to Collared Lizards (which I have seen over many trips through their habitat). I have been seeing Collared Lizards in the wild for many years including countless individuals

Don't inflate yourself too much here young fella. At 23 you're barely seasoned at tying your shoes and "many years" goes back to when you were in diapers.

The topic of this thread is Gilbert Thompson. If you want to discuss Justin, the proper procedure is to start a thread with his name in the title so people who might want to click on it know what they might be reading.

Also, it's clear that you have an agenda given your relationship with someone with whom Justin had a bad transaction and so your comments need to be taken with a grain of salt. Coming out with that up front rather than after being accused and virtually outed would have been a sign of seasoning...erm maturity.

 

[Justin Mitcham]

Proves you wrong nothing you said proves your right..
See what happend here is Courtney bitched to you and you went on a rampage to find something wrong with me etc..etc..your whole goal here is to make me look bad..you and Cortney are a work of art I swear..it was weird when I logged in and Courtney was here the entire time from the very beggining. Your a complete tool and I don't have to defend my actions to no-one. I don't give a shit what you think ..yes I care about my reputation. but guess what you'll never be able to take any of it away. Bitch all you want punk ..I see you for what you really are..you went out to destroy someone you admit you don't even have the facts straight on, bitched to wildlife etc man I should sell a 1500.00 snake and have you hammered.YOUR the whole reason there tired of dealing with herps in this state.People like you always bothering for BS reasons.You know nothing except what was written here by people you don't even know. Get lost you and your little huny there. What I use to do years ago is none of your Damn business nore is it now. You don't know me or what I do and jumping to conclusions like this is BS.
I never been able to feed a bunny to a burm much less kill off a population of collareds. You think because I spent almost a decade getting ranchers permission , paying for access on there land and road cruising countless hours I havn't figured out how to harvest a few lizards from a several hundred thousand mile area efficiently without hurting habitats.Heck I can do it without even getting out of the truck!! LOL!! And bro ask anyone..the Japanses almost always want even pairs.. u 2 get a life and stop obsessing with mine!

 

[Justin Mitcham]

lol

Also you wanna know the truth..I know places you can drive and pole 100 lizards a day and do it for years on end without ever stepping out of your vehicle..Texas is 99% private property and 90% of collard country is owned by ranchers. there's places where you can see them on the bulldozed caliche rocks every 15-50 feet and I only catch maybe 1 out of 10 LOL..and those are the ones on the rocks..much less under.There not very attractive but they are extremely dense. I can show you populations of amazing color and pattern diversity you'd never see in a book or probably a collection unless it came from me..red ones..collarless ones, localities with false eyes and blueheaded ones..(There was a reason why they wanted them from me) I even have pics of these animals... you have no clue what your talking about..Like saying I am killing off mosquitoes by swating them..LOL more collared lizards out there then you can possibly imagine..

 

[Chad W.]

Very clever Justin. That was a nice attempt at side stepping my questions. You still fail to address them, I wonder why...

I happen to know that you still do it because you bragged to a buddy of mine about it. Let's be honest here Justin.

While Courtney's situation certainly has tainted my opinion of you, I also have another friend who defends you and speaks highly of you. This is why I have decided to be objective and give you your day in court to defend yourself. While I understand that you probably don't care enough about my personal opinion, I can GUARENTEE you that there are many folks who are reading this thread who are concerned about what you are doing.

Jim O...I am not inflated. I said semi-seasoned. I don't really feel the need to defend myself, but living in the state that I live in and spending as much time and money in the field per year that I do (field herping is literally my life...similar to how Herpetoculture is the life of many who post here), I believe that my experience, mixed with what I've learned from herpers who are some of the MOST seasoned, is valid under these circumstances. You can twist this as much as you want and call me arrogant, and that's fine. Take what you want from it. Jim you are correct when you state that I entered this with a bias, but not an agenda. My bias against Justin did start with Courtney and I recognize that, but I also have a counter balance to my bias in the form of another individual who knows Justin.

On that note, I don't want that individual to be brought into this because he does like Justin and may or may not support my actions here. He is a good friend to me and I'd rather not jeopardize his relationship with Justin. I am acting of my own accord, it has nothing to do with him or Courtney.

Courtney has done nothing wrong here, all he did was view this thread because I emailed it to him. In fact, he openly talks about Justin without a single damned negative word. He even said that he'd do business with Justin again (despite my objections). That's the kinda guy he is folks, so leave him alone. I dug this thread up when Justin was first attacking Courtney and it occured to me recently when I thought about the new Texas law.

My points still stand. Folks you can attack me all you want, but my points are still the same and they're just as valid as if your own friggin brother told ya...I don't feel any intimidation from anyone here, and I feel that I've been fair. I did email this to TPWL, and I am still going to pursue this issue.

I believe that due to the nature of this post and the fact that it IS being monitored, Justin is claiming that he doesn't partake in this activity any more. This is a good start. I hope that he realizes that possible sting operations are in his future and I hope that he ceases in this activity.

See folks, if any of you are actually honest and objective individuals, you can clearly see that Justin is side stepping everything that I have addressed regarding his behavior. I made it easy and addressed everyone's complaints about me, so now let's focus on the facts. Justin is doing anything he can to paint me up to be something that I'm not, don't fall for it.

I will not stand for people creating public images of themselves on the backs of others while doing such unethical things and then lying about them. Yes this was brought on by my issue with him and Courtney (which did NOT go in Justin's favor), but you don't create friends with posts like that. I am now addressing Justin's actions, so Justin, once again...Defend yourself if you can. Prove me wrong.

 

[Chad W.]

Regarding your recent post Justin...

So you are hunting from roadways? Intersting since the Texas government knows of your activites and now wants to shut down hunting off of roads...I don't believe that TPWL has much of an issue with alterna hunters anymore since most of the fiasco regarding their collection has passed. I believe that the motivation to cease collecting off of roadways comes from commercial collectors such as yourself and others like the fellow who advertised for turtle hunters.

Justin I still want to know what makes you think that those populations can withstand this harvesting. Just because you see a lot of Collareds along a roadside (which is graded- this creates a more ideal habitat for the lizards so they are drawn to it with higher densities) doesn't mean that the population can withstand this collection.

I realize that it is just as presumptuous for me to claim that it IS harming the population, as it is for Justin to claim that it is not...But I feel that the burden of proof falls on him since he is the one who is taking the (widely regarded as unethical) action of collecting them.

 

[Wilomn]

Regarding your recent post Justin...

So you are hunting from roadways? Intersting since the Texas government knows of your activites and now wants to shut down hunting off of roads...I don't believe that TPWL has much of an issue with alterna hunters anymore since most of the fiasco regarding their collection has passed. I believe that the motivation to cease collecting off of roadways comes from commercial collectors such as yourself and others like the fellow who advertised for turtle hunters.

Justin I still want to know what makes you think that those populations can withstand this harvesting. Just because you see a lot of Collareds along a roadside (which is graded- this creates a more ideal habitat for the lizards so they are drawn to it with higher densities) doesn't mean that the population can withstand this collection.

I realize that it is just as presumptuous for me to claim that it IS harming the population, as it is for Justin to claim that it is not...But I feel that the burden of proof falls on him since he is the one who is taking the (widely regarded as unethical) action of collecting them.

Hey chub, THIS thread is about the scumbag gilbert thompson.

If you really have such a woody for Jeremy, start a thread on him.

Can't you follow rules, advice OR instructions?

 

[Chad W.]

You're right Wes. I should have started a new thread. As I stated earlier, I made a judgement call and just took it up in this thread. I'm sure Justin appreciates that...And I did it to keep it from becoming such a main topic. Sorry for my poor judgement in this regard Wes. Cheers

 

[DThomas]

I realize that it is just as presumptuous for me to claim that it IS harming the population, as it is for Justin to claim that it is not...But I feel that the burden of proof falls on him since he is the one who is taking the (widely regarded as unethical) action of collecting them.

Actually, since you called him out and are throwing around legalities, there by becoming a sort of defacto prosecution, the burden of proof falls on you to prove what he is doing is harmful and is a direct influence on the laws changing.

You can not expect to come out in public, accusing anyone of such things based on your opinion only and expect to get a pass on requiring Justin to prove your opinions wrong. You need to prove your opinions correct.

 

[DThomas]

Hey chub, THIS thread is about the scumbag gilbert thompson.

If you really have such a woody for Jeremy, start a thread on him.

Can't you follow rules, advice OR instructions?

Wes is absolutely correct and I am just as guilty for not following it myself. Go start a thread on Justin or Justin may just want to start a thread concerning Chad.

 

[Justin Mitcham]

For one ask USFW if I exported any collared lizards in the last 3 years ..the answer will be no...there's your proof BIATCH
Also you can ask them what my yearly totals were too..as well TPW
Unless you are implying I am smuggling 25.00 lizards
Ask Jeff barringer how many collared post I have made on KS hmm none
another thing ..
you are a complete and total [email protected] sidestepping anything

and BTW didn't Texas Take collards off the list few years ago for like a year or two maybe more because they found that there was no impact to population, in fact there #'s pointed that they were actually increasing...I maybe wrong but I believe for awhile you didn't even need one of the permits..I'll have to check on that but I am pretty sure I am right..
Can you just shut up now..you really are being stupid

 

[Chad W.]

I figured that someone would say that DThomas and I just happen to disagree. Your logic is cogent and all, but I feel that it is a common ideal that this sort of collecting is wrong (and it has been in my experience with many herpers who I've met in person) and thus I believe that since he's doing the questionable act it is his responsibility to defend himself when someone calls him on it pubically. My expectations are of no one but Justin.