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Got any candling photos of piebald in egg?

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I understand now what to look for while candling possible albino eggs now. They just glow pink while normal eggs are darker with discernible pattern. I've not seen any pics of a pied's pattern being candled, though, and hoped you guys could share some. I'll be candling my pied x het pied clutch in the next few days and was wondering what I should be looking for.
 
I'm pretty sure candling just lets you know if it's a good egg or not.
I don't think it'll show you what's inside, color wise.

I'm still rather new to breeding and all that goes with it, so
I could definitely be wrong though.
 
Angel. You can definitely see the pattern of the snakes usually starting at around 35 days. If you know what to look for you can usually guess the morph inside the egg.
 
Kelly's right. There are plenty of threads here with pics of pinstripes, spiders, and other pattern morphs being identified through candling at around day 35+ but I can't find anything on pieds in eggs.
 
Sandy, I don't have an answer to your question of what to look for...but I would think you'd be able to distinguish the pied markings from normals. Maybe you'd look for the black outline around the pied pattern or a larger overall pattern as opposed to busy? I still haven't been able to "identify" a normal in the egg, but we did get this pic with the pewter/cinny clutch that's getting ready to hatch. All the ones we thought were pewters or cinnies...were in fact pewters or cinnies. And I know you saw the spider ones already.

When you do candle, would you mind sharing pics with us, so we can all learn? I know I would certainly appreciate it!
 

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Today is day 40 and I was planning on candling tonight or tomorrow night if I have a chance. I'll be happy to post whatever pics I can get but I don't know if I can get any pics as good as the one you posted.
 
Well, but you're working with different circumstances...I don't have a mama coiled around the eggs while I'm trying to candle! :D

Seriously, it's all about the flashlight and being able to get the right angle to shine at.

I can't wait to see what you've got in there!
 
Tere Salazar said:
Sandy, I don't have an answer to your question of what to look for...but I would think you'd be able to distinguish the pied markings from normals. Maybe you'd look for the black outline around the pied pattern or a larger overall pattern as opposed to busy? I still haven't been able to "identify" a normal in the egg, but we did get this pic with the pewter/cinny clutch that's getting ready to hatch. All the ones we thought were pewters or cinnies...were in fact pewters or cinnies. And I know you saw the spider ones already.

When you do candle, would you mind sharing pics with us, so we can all learn? I know I would certainly appreciate it!
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Tere,

That picture showing the pattern is awesome, what are you using to get such a good view?

I just candled a few eggs here and cannot see any pattern, it's either light or dark and they should be pipping this week.
 
That's an AWESOME picture, Tere!

Yeah, I've been able to see at least the edges of the black patterning in normals/Axanthics so far, but that's it. I've been trying to identify normals vs. Lavs in a friend's clutch, but so far, I think I've just identified two normals. I should get a brighter LED light and try again (with photos and guesses).
 
Thanks, Steve and Krystal! That's all due to a military issue Surefire flashlight. I know Bree (Daequix) found one with the same lumens as mine that she said did a great job, so I'm going to make sure she sees this thread.

http://www.surefire.com/U2-Ultra

That's the one we have, but it's a bit cost prohibitive. As long as you get one with the same lumens, you should be good.

And a few tips...candle in a pitch black room (including to take pics of candling), and shine the flashlight through the back of the egg, but look at the front of the egg, so like you're shining the light through the baby, if that makes sense.

Edit: One more tip...don't candle what could be a white snake combo, get all excited when you see nothing but movement, only to discover you were a few days too early. It's very depressing.
 
Thanks Tere, I'm using a $3.99 100 lumen 9 bulb LED, I did try in a darkened room and tried all angles. Lighting from the back through the snake I guess could show the pattern if the light reflects back onto the snake. Maybe its hit or miss?

I
 
Hit or miss seeing something, or hit or miss being able to get a picture of it? I just saw a head and eyeball on our lesser x lesser clutch, but can't get a picture of it to save my soul (obviously, John isn't home from work yet). I know he does something to get the flash to shut off, but I can't figure this camera out!

If you're just not seeing anything, what are you trying to candle? I still can't tell a normal. There's just not enough color variation. And I haven't had any white snakes to candle, so I don't know how they'd appear.

But yes, definitely shine the light at the back, look at the front, shine the light through the baby...and move the flashlight all around, so you can find the spot where the baby's pushing up against the egg and shine on the opposite side. And you have to sort of gently mash the flashlight onto the egg, so all the light goes through the egg and doesn't escape around the edges of the flashlight. Does that make any sense at all? (It's been a really long day here.)
 
I can see a difference between an albino and normal and can see them moving in the eggs but I haven't seen any pattern; I was just wondering if that is a hit or miss depending on how the snake is situated inside the egg?
 
I think some of it is, Steve. We're sort of obsessive over here, messing with them constantly until one of us sees something...unless we give up and assume it's a normal. Now, I do think I saw the contrasting colors/pattern of a pastel, but I can't tell what this thing is until it comes out of the egg later this week.

If their bellies are pointing to the outside of the egg, I would think you're probably not going to see a lot. Likewise, the closer they get to hatch, the less you see (at least in my experience), and it's not like they have room to totally reposition themselves. We're candling starting at about 36 days, and you can see them real good at first...then it fades and you can't see as much.

And I'm also finding it's much more difficult to see a snake that isn't very contrasty, with dark against light colors. I can see the blob and the movement, but not really much else.

This is all why I'm so excited to see what Sandy comes up with and if she can see a pied in there!
 
so glad I popped into this thread, lots of good info here, thank you.
definitely getting myself a better flashlight too, never saw anything like that picture, awesome!
so much more to learn.....
 
Tere Salazar said:
Likewise, the closer they get to hatch, the less you see (at least in my experience), and it's not like they have room to totally reposition themselves. We're candling starting at about 36 days, and you can see them real good at first...then it fades and you can't see as much.
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That probably explains why I can only see a tiny bit of pattern in the possible Lav clutch: they're on Day 52 right now. I'll have to try earlier next year and see if I can get photos of patterns. It would be spectacular to have a sort of "this is what such-and-such morph looks like candled" photo collection.
 
Okay, guys...Steve and Krystal have the common denominator...you're both candling close to hatch. That's got to be part of it.
 
I do have a bit cheaper version of Tere's Military issue- I picked it up for under $50 at our local Home Depot. It is 105 Lumens and is by LED CO. It has helped my candling immensely, is small and easy to handle and I was able to pick out my BEL from the last clutch without much problem. (Though wasn't sure until after he hatched out.)


Anyways-- that's basically the design on it pictured below, and mine came with a little wrist strap as well.

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Well, I tried to candle my clutch but I think between my lousy photo skills and the flashlight I don't think I really saw anything. I took the mom, Kyriel, off the clutch just long enough to get a few pics and short video clips. Maybe I'll try again in a few days and see if there are any changes. As of right now, though, I'm not seeing patterns like I ordinarily would. That doesn't mean anything, though. They could simply have their bellies facing outward and it's really hard to see anything through eggs that are stuck together. I can't really candle directly from the back. Oh well. Here is what I got.

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Oh. That light spot is a small window on the egg shell.

 
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