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Has any one done bussiness w/ Bob Sloan - Del Rio,Tx.

Keith Northrop said:
The Tactic is like a Pushy Car salesman.......Thats why you Refuse the
Shipment......You didn't authorize the shipment?........If you think for moment
.....Bobby boy will refuse his ($50 Bucks in the Box)......HaHa Nice try....

Steer Clear of this Queer(Not being used as a gay slur either)....HaHa... :dgrin:
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So you think snake be at risk ?
Because if I refuse that box, thats as good as killing myself.
 
homegrownherps said:
First of all he sent the snake w/o confirming shipping with me.
He was supposed get a confirmation from me before shipping, to make sure I would be available to receive delivery.
He sent me an email last night letting me know he shipped the snake and gave me a tracking number. And also informed me he shipped it C.O.D. , if he emailed before shipping letting me know how it was being shipping I would not have agreed to it.

And how do figure I am stealing from him?
I never said anywhere that he couldn't have the animal back , but the cost of him getting it back will not be at my expense.
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Could you post the entire set of emails, from initial contact to the last one sent, from both sides?
 
I agree with this post some what, how did it come to the point of Bob shipping you that snake? I would think a deal would have been made for him to ship that snake to you. you certainly cant back out of a deal with the snake in transit?
Seamus Haley said:
Lemme see if I got this straight here...

You agreed to a deal, either not knowing or not caring who he was and what his reputation is.

He sends the snake.

While the snake is in transit, you decide you don't want to complete the transaction.

You've now issued him a set of ultimatums about how the snake that was sent is going to be dealt with, giving him a number of options, all of which end up costing him extra expenses or losing him the animal.

He may be a scumbag, but you're proposing to steal from him. And that's not okay, even if your victim is a bad guy.
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Let me say this;

The deal we was going well up until the point he sent me an email with a tracking number and TELLING me he shipped it out C.O.D
If he emailed prior to shipping it and then told me he was hipping it C.O.D , I would not have accepted it.

He contacted for this trade, its my terms or no deal.
I been been ripped off before in situations like this, that the way it is.

I don't know ANY Breeder/Dealer that will ship out live animals w/o first getting a confirmation.
 
What form of Shipping is being used?

Call ASAP.....Which ever shipping method.....Demand said Tracking # be sent back Now!!!!!!!It will be on its way back to Bobby Boy...5 min ago....Or as Humanly possible.....Tell them your side of the story........Good Luck :dgrin:

If properly packed the Snake in all likelyhood will make the return Trip better without you touching said box....Later
 
homegrownherps said:
NO

First of all he sent the snake w/o confirming shipping with me.
He was supposed get a confirmation from me before shipping, to make sure I would be available to receive delivery.
He sent me an email last night letting me know he shipped the snake and gave me a tracking number. And also informed me he shipped it C.O.D. , if he emailed before shipping letting me know how it was being shipping I would not have agreed to it.

And how do figure I am stealing from him?
I never said anywhere that he couldn't have the animal back , but the cost of him getting it back will not be at my expense.
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The only reason he needed your confirmation was to make sure you were available and I am guessing you didn't want to do it COD. Because of those reasons you now don't want the snake? Now that you got the snake it still bugs you enough that you want to send it back because it was shipped COD and he didn't contact you first to make sure you were available? If you were out of town or whatever it would have been his fault but you got the snake man, it's what you wanted but it didn't go exactly the way you wanted so you don't want it now? You wanted the snake, you got the snake but because the arrangements were not to your liking you don't want the snake now that you got it?

Sure he was wrong for shipping it without knowing if you would be available and making you pay COD but in the end you got it. OK we learn from our mistakes but now you want him to take it back because you had to pay COD and he didn't check first if you would be home to accept delivery? It could have turned out bad for him but it didn't. Stick with your deal and don't mess with him again.
 
Kingetula said:
The only reason he needed your confirmation was to make sure you were available and I am guessing you didn't want to do it COD. Because of those reasons you now don't want the snake? Now that you got the snake it still bugs you enough that you want to send it back because it was shipped COD and he didn't contact you first to make sure you were available? If you were out of town or whatever it would have been his fault but you got the snake man, it's what you wanted but it didn't go exactly the way you wanted so you don't want it now? You wanted the snake, you got the snake but because the arrangements were not to your liking you don't want the snake now that you got it?

Sure he was wrong for shipping it without knowing if you would be available and making you pay COD but in the end you got it. OK we learn from our mistakes but now you want him to take it back because you had to pay COD and he didn't check first if you would be home to accept delivery? It could have turned out bad for him but it didn't. Stick with your deal and don't mess with him again.
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As I already stated , if he told me he was going to send it C.O.D. , I would have told him forget it.

I don't want the snake because I don't want to deal with. When I emailed about why he shipped w/o confirming and C.O.D. he got abusive and made threats to me, my family , threatened to burn down my house etc etc.
Theres no way anyone can justify me having to do bussines with him at ALL.
 
homegrownherps said:
I dont know how to go about posting all those emails.
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A simple cut and paste of each email in chronological order, will do it.
 
WebSlave said:
Originally Posted by homegrownherps
I dont know how to go about posting all those emails.
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A simple cut and paste of each email in chronological order, will do it.
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It'd definitely provide exactly what I'd be looking for.

I just want to know how Bob arrived at the conclusion that he should ship- something like "Yeah, it's a deal, here's the shipping address." or the abscence of anything remotely like confirmation. I'm want to know if you never made up your mind about the deal... or if you changed your mind about the deal. The wording of the emails would provide the information I'm interested in.
 
Thank You....Hopefully your deal

.....was Kosher? He's known to post Threatened and Endangered specie....
Stop that bird in Flight....HaHa......Haha... :rofl:
 
Because of those reasons you now don't want the snake?
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I don't agree Scott. I believe the other Bob Sloan thread may have something to do with the reason Jim doesn't want to deal with him.
What I don't get is, if there is a $50 money order in the box doesn't that should cover most of the shipping both ways. I agree somewhat with Seamus. Just return the snake and consider your "out of pocket" as the penalty for not doing you BOI homework.
 
Let me preface this by saying that Jim and i have been friends for a number of years. We discussed this stuation briefly by phone earlier today.

There are a few factors that I think are important. I tend to agree that the terms Jim has outlined are severe. The deal was well under way and needs to be completed in some manner. I do agree with him that after the abuse and threats Sloan has spewed, i would not want to deal with him further either. However, completing the deal also has it's problems at this point. Sloan is obviously an unstable wackjob. There is no way of knowing what will happen if either his animal or the two bullsnakes are sent to him. He could easily scream DOA or any one of several other claims. The best way to end this is to end it completely

Jim, my suggestion is that you receive the animal, make sure it is feeding and in good shape per the Trade Terms on your website. Once you are satisfied, send this loser a check for whatever the trade value was on the animals and call it quits. Sending him your half of the trade at this point means that he can bitch about your animals as long as he owns them. It gives you an ongoing relationship and that is one thing that you do not want with a crazy like this.

You will have the animal, he will have whatever value you both assigned to the animal and you can put this one to rest
 
My suggestion is for Jim to send the snake back to Sloan at Jim's expense, the fifty Sloan put in the box was used to pay for the shipping to Jim. So, both parties are out shipping and Sloan has his snake back, that should be the end of it.

Anna
 
Here's some new info to add to this.

The snake did arrive and I accepted the delivery, just because I don't want to see any snake die.

Here is the email I got from Bob about this trade, I am posting in its entirety as well as the photos that were attached. The first two pics are of snakes that I was not interested in so they have nothing to do with the trade.
(the pics have not been altered in away except that I resized them for this post.)

Jim

Sorry for the dealy in getting back to you, but I'm still trying to learn to use
this new camera. I also could not send pics from my new e-mail addy @ peoplepc !
Don't know why exactly. Anyway here are the pics - I hope - of the milk thayeri
and the young female greeri. The female thayeri is on the right in the pics.
She really looks more like a scarlet king than a thayeri. I listed what I'd
like in trade and we can just pay our own shipping each way.

1.0 speck patternless bull # TWIN1
1.0 speck patternless bull # TWIN2
0.1 het speck/patrnls bull # BS065-07
0.1 het speck/patrnls bull # BS122-07

Let me know if the trade is a go and I can ship out to you on Monday via Fedex
overnight. Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

Bob

PS you can reply to my new addy [email protected]

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And now here is a pic of the snake that was sent to me;

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And so it seems that he was trying to pull a fast one after all.
 
BTW The money was in the box, cash not a money order. And I used it to pay for the delivery which was $53.00

So NOW if he wants this snake back, it will be his responsability to send me the money to ship it back. And for those of you that think I am the thief, I wont even charge him the feed/maintenance charge if taken care of with a reasonable amount of time.

I should have waited and check the snake before coming here, but whats done is done. My original post was asking everyone for some input and got none anyway.

And, I see no need now to post all of the emails between myself and Bob. But if some really wants to see them, drop me an email and I well gladly shoot them over.
 
Well, looking at the info. posted, the snake was definitely misrepresented, which pretty much trumps all the "he said, she said" issues. Jim should not have to pay for a misrepresented snake.

If Bob wants his snake back, he should pay shipping costs. If not, too bad, so sad.
 
And here is my final email to Bob, if he refuses to handle this in a civil manner I will not deal w/ him. If he sends me another email with death threats...I WILL NOT RESPOND TO HIM AT ALL.

Bob,

After close inspection of the snake after delivery , it turns out the snake you sent is not the same snake we agreed upon.
The snake you sent does not match the snake in the photo you provided.
There for, this deal is null and void.

I will give you 10 days in which to send me $50.00 to have this snake shipped back to you.
I used the money you sent to pay for the delivery cost ($53.17) when it arrived here.
I will let the $3.17 slide.


Thank You
Jim Keenan
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