Has anybody had any experience buying from Contemporary485 aka Kerry Cantreva-Cabral? I recently was PM'ed by her about a species that I have been looking for. She gave me an extremely inflated price and then became very pushy with the sale. Due to the high price and pushy salesmanship I didn't make a deal, but she may sucker other in the future and I wanted to give everyone a heads up and see if others had had the same experience.
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Inquiry Has anybody had any experience buying from Contemporary485?
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dieselfan
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I have never bought anything from them. They have a bunch of rare and hard to find lizards for sale in the classifieds section but after reading who they work with I would never buy anything from them. Check their trading rating and see who they do business with. Then ask yourself if that is the type of person or business you would want to support and or be associated with?!!!!
dieselfan
Active member
I am no fan of extreme pushiness if that sort of thing is an employed tactic or behavioral tendency.
I do not care about who they do business with if the deals done are above board.
I do care about who "Brian" is because the account owner's name is Kerry according to the name field entry.
I do not care about who they do business with if the deals done are above board.
I do care about who "Brian" is because the account owner's name is Kerry according to the name field entry.
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dieselfan
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Lol, whoops! Looks like someone did not read the rules. I am sure discerning customers would not like to find out who their money ends up going to and what that in turn supports. Lord knows I would not want my money directly or indirectly going to Garrett or Markus and helping them with their schemes and endeavors!
It looks like it is a husband and wife team and Brian is the husband. As long as he does not post under Kerry's account, no rule would be broken there. Identity was my initial concern, but that appears fine.
A couple thoughts.. I too chose not to deal with them when I saw their prices. The thing is, the prices aren't too unfair if you relay them to the USA market. I know I'd charge similarly, for some of the geckos. It comes down to what your looking to do. If you expect european market prices in America, your wrong for even assuming. If you want those prices, purchase from Europe. Bring the shipment in yourself, or use a broker. It's what I do for my personal collection. But, I'm not trying to make business off the animals I import. They are, so it's very different.
dieselfan
Active member
Currently they want $2400 for a pair of A.Mixteca. The last pair of A.mixteca I saw sold for for $1600. Just a bit of a price difference there...
Wasn't aware they were doing abronia as well. I can say however, regarding their gecko, the prices are only slightly higher than what I'd expect to get. If I had known about that price, wouldn't have said much of anything. Lol
Can you post the back and forth correspondence please? What some people call "pushy" others may just look at as hard sell.
If you're referring to Markus, who they emphatically went to bat for in another thread and lied as well, I agree. Giving money to someone who's two partners are known smugglers (Garrett and Oskroba) is simply condoning bad behavior in this industry.
12/2/15 9:24 PM
Phil cyrtodactylus p.z. chirp all night long nut just cyrtodactylus p.p.
FYI I have cyrtodactylus p.p. Coming in the spring, will not be cheap though.
The p.zebracious I have now and can probably grab you some if not offer you CB's if you need
I imagine you found p.z. by now but if not I just wanted to let you know that they are easy to locate and moreover, they chirp. Mine don't shut up lol.
Kerry
Actually C.p.z. are what I'm looking for. Let me know what you may have available. I'm very interested!
Thanks,
-Phil
12/3/15 7:34 PM
Currently my C.p.z. Are done for the year but I will do my best to source you a few. How many are you interested in? Let's start there. Then if we get a few geckos secured for you. We can discuss price and you can decide if it is worth your while.
Fingers crossed, let's hope I can find some. I have a few friends in NY and VA that may be able to assist, it just depends on their inventory. I know they breed them as well.
Worst case scenario, we will have nice offerings, unrelated, for you in the late springtime. I bet you I find you a few before then though.
I will do my very best, that I can assure you.
Kerry
Ideally I'm interested in 2.4 depending on the price.
Thanks,
Phil
Here's where things get a bit weird. She starts out discussing Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus and then switches to Psychedelic Rock Geckos. This causes a bit of confusion between both of us in the future PM's.
12/5/15 4:20 PM
Phil, good evening to you, I pray my note finds you well.
So I think you will be pleased to hear that
I put the call in for some C.p.z. last night a.m., and as soon as I get a yay or ney I will notify you. There is a solid likelihood. Don't hold me to it yet though, don't want to sell you dreams.
Psychos: the good and the bad.
Bad first: breaking up breeding pairs is troublesome, and as much as I want to for you, it may just remain too tricky, especially factoring in my rule to never break up breeding pairs of this high caliber an animal in the first place.
Of course in the same breath, I do not like to tell anybody "no", when our aim is always to accommodate all patrons to the very utmost of our abilities, and to have unquestionably happy customers when all is said and done.
... What to do?
LoL
Well look I will just level with you, it goes like this:
We sold out to Europe and Canada within a few days of listing these last month. We decided we would release a few more pair, our own personal holdback pairs, if and only if we knew we could get replacements.
We originally planned on keeping 3 pair and therefore needed to replace 3 should we sell. If we could replace the three great and any others we might have the luck of purchasing we would offer.
We got the go ahead to purchase the last 5 pair that will be around for a WHILE. Three for us, two extra. So we then sold the original personal 3.3 that we were planning on keeping immediately. Two more to the Canadian and the last 1.1 here stateside.
So here we are, it's a miracle I have 2.2.2 to offer you at all period lol, yet we are still off lol.
That odd third pair of psychos is valuable to us. Brian wants three pair but I know if the money is right, he will suck it up because the bright happy eyes of a customer is something we like to take pride in.
So, without further rhetoric, Brian is on his way up to the office now and we will try to figure this out for you right now.
A serious buyer always warrants accommodations when possible on our part though. Prying a third pair out of Brian's hands will be challenging enough, and then you want 4 girls which would leave us with 3 males and 1 girl. Yikes.
We're going to figure something out though. Sit tight I will be right back. I have been holding people off for you until we spoke again. This is officially "again"
We will respond right back to you momentarily so we do not tie you up longer than necessary, and likewise, we need to keep the line moving.
If interested in our proposal after you consider it, we always allow the courtesy of the night to 'sleep on it', no deposit necessary, no position forfeited in line.
We will continue to respond to others though in case you decline.
Hopefully I have been able to give you transparency here. Lord knows it's a longer pm than I had intended on sending you. We just love the psychos, they are easy to keep, breed, feed ... And exotic.
We,lol figure something out. I get it, you want a breeding group
Kerry
12/5/15 4:37 PM
Phil a few things come to mind.
Is the 2.4 just a desire for trios or do you have space constraints. In other words. 3.3 causes you an extra terrarium/vivarium whereas the 2.4 only requires 2 housing units.
Important question we realize, so just let us know. Now if space or terrarium count is a non-issue, that could give us more wiggle room.
Whatever the case, let's figure out first what combos work for you, then we can get into semantics if need be.
Likewise, do our 2 available juveniles interest you at all?
The answer to those two questions will help get the ball rolling I believe.
Kerry
12/5/15 6:24 PM
Brian says he is willing to offer you the following but not 4.4.2 because he doesn't want to be left with only one pair.
We can tell you are serious and Brian and I both feel you will surely be a repeat patron if we send you away tickled pink.
5.5.2 $6750 shipped
3.3.2 Cnemaspis Psychedelica $4500 shipped to your door.
2.2.2 ... $3500 shipped
1.1.2 $2500 shipped
Okay, at this point I had not made any commitments and wasn't quite sure if this quite was for C.p.z. and Cnemaspis Psychedelica, or just Cnemaspis Psychedelica, which at this point I wasn't interested in.
12/6/15 7:24 AM
Phil, deals off the table sweetie.
Brian and I are listing these last 2 pair $3500 each, take both for 6k
Ill wait for a collector who wants what he/she wants and price/cost is of no concern to get it.
We gave you a stellar deal. Amazing. You should've jumped on that like white on rice love.
We quoted you at superb pricing and i am sort of troubled anytime an individual comes to us for anything and we can not meet a customers specific desires or requests. We are the least cheap people you'll probably ever meet.
In an effort to give you the stage, I am all ears. Remember it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease after all.
Our aim is never "a sale", those are regular occurrences regardless. Our inventory is molten fire ... Hotness, sells itself.
Our aim here is more refined in that when someone comes to us with a request, that we do everything within our abilities and also within reason, to ensure that that customer, you in this case, leaves us glad they stopped by, and certainly not empty handed if they came with specific request.
The other thing to understand too is that we are done giving sales. We hooked everybody up for weeks straight, 8 psycho pairs radically reduced. Everyone one got extremely unnecessarily reduced pricing on any and everything we sold. Whoever didn't purchase these last 2 weeks either royally goofed, or perhaps money was just tight and off a few bucs.
Point is we hooked it up so lovely with so much love here on fauna these past 30 days. We blessed that gecko classifieds section and every customer with so much class and style and unnecessary discounts they should make Brian and I a plaque.
So I will say this once now. If you like something, in the spirit of our love and passion for this hobby, in the spirit of truly desiring to make you happy ... speak your mind or forever hold your peace.
What do you want animal-wise and what can or do you want to pay for that.
Just tell me and if we can help we will, if not not, but in the sake of all fairness to you. You have until dinner time and I'm not holding anything necessarily until then.
i can sell 2 pair full price to folks who will not only pay full price, but jump for joy whilst doing so because I made there day by the availability alone.
This is me saying to you now "hey I know not everybody is made of money" if a little bending on our part makes a quality difference in your life ... well hey, that's what Brian and I are about.
Once I put these back up though, they won't be coming back down.
The big spenders will be threw soon enough and I know Brian will gladly take full earned retail pay and the pat on the back for the job well done providing the crem de la crem of highly sought after, rarely located, glorious animals.
So she makes a commitment to a price, and 13 hours later the deal is off and she proceeds to chastise me for not jumping on the deal? And due to some mutual confusion I wasn't even sure if she was talking about C.p.z. or C.p.?
Kerry,
I'm sorry I'm going to have to pass. I feel that the price is too high.
I have seen 1.1 go for $350 in the recent past and I have a friend that sells
captive born juveniles for $75 to $100 each
Thank you,
Phil
12/6/15 8:46 AM
lol me too Phil, anyone charging over $350 is a crook, that's what we paid for mine.
I quoted you for Cnemaspis psychedelic Phil. Oh golly lol
No max I think would be $350 pair for Cp.z.
I get the word on those tonight and if not tonight we have a plan B in place for you at Hamm
You're too funny you should have been like "go to hell Kerry"
Haha
So just correct me if I am wrong Phil. You are not interested in psycho prices at all?
Yeah I gave you a thousand off of a pair lol I retail them for $2500 plus
So just clarify for my confused self if you are or are not interested in the psychos. I thought you were and also interested in CPZ
As for cpz, our goal is to get you like 3 pair shipped to your door $750 all in max. And yes I got mine fro Frank (elineye) for $350 each. Pair plus shipping. Fortunately for lucky ok Phil, lucky bastard, I should be able to do $750 for 3.3 unrelated breeding pairs shipped
Well now that we cleared that up and thankfully you realize I'm not a scuzzbag
What a dork I am
12/6/15 9:45 AM
Phil keep those fingers crossed and with a little bit of luck, and some solid legwork already executed on our part, I do believe we will secure you those chirping Peguensis before the week is out. Pick them up in Germany Sunday and have them here and ready to ship to you on Tuesday.
If we secure them and you don't want them, no biggie, we will just keep them for ourselves. I think you'll wind up walking away rather pleased.
Take one pair, take all pair, take no pair ... As long as we did our part in satisfying your wishes thoroughly, that's all we care about. Sales don't matter, what does matter is that Kerry and that Brian gave 100% towards helping you reach your goals.
Phil cyrtodactylus p.z. chirp all night long nut just cyrtodactylus p.p.
FYI I have cyrtodactylus p.p. Coming in the spring, will not be cheap though.
The p.zebracious I have now and can probably grab you some if not offer you CB's if you need
I imagine you found p.z. by now but if not I just wanted to let you know that they are easy to locate and moreover, they chirp. Mine don't shut up lol.
Kerry
Actually C.p.z. are what I'm looking for. Let me know what you may have available. I'm very interested!
Thanks,
-Phil
12/3/15 7:34 PM
Currently my C.p.z. Are done for the year but I will do my best to source you a few. How many are you interested in? Let's start there. Then if we get a few geckos secured for you. We can discuss price and you can decide if it is worth your while.
Fingers crossed, let's hope I can find some. I have a few friends in NY and VA that may be able to assist, it just depends on their inventory. I know they breed them as well.
Worst case scenario, we will have nice offerings, unrelated, for you in the late springtime. I bet you I find you a few before then though.
I will do my very best, that I can assure you.
Kerry
Ideally I'm interested in 2.4 depending on the price.
Thanks,
Phil
Here's where things get a bit weird. She starts out discussing Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus and then switches to Psychedelic Rock Geckos. This causes a bit of confusion between both of us in the future PM's.
12/5/15 4:20 PM
Phil, good evening to you, I pray my note finds you well.
So I think you will be pleased to hear that
I put the call in for some C.p.z. last night a.m., and as soon as I get a yay or ney I will notify you. There is a solid likelihood. Don't hold me to it yet though, don't want to sell you dreams.
Psychos: the good and the bad.
Bad first: breaking up breeding pairs is troublesome, and as much as I want to for you, it may just remain too tricky, especially factoring in my rule to never break up breeding pairs of this high caliber an animal in the first place.
Of course in the same breath, I do not like to tell anybody "no", when our aim is always to accommodate all patrons to the very utmost of our abilities, and to have unquestionably happy customers when all is said and done.
... What to do?
LoL
Well look I will just level with you, it goes like this:
We sold out to Europe and Canada within a few days of listing these last month. We decided we would release a few more pair, our own personal holdback pairs, if and only if we knew we could get replacements.
We originally planned on keeping 3 pair and therefore needed to replace 3 should we sell. If we could replace the three great and any others we might have the luck of purchasing we would offer.
We got the go ahead to purchase the last 5 pair that will be around for a WHILE. Three for us, two extra. So we then sold the original personal 3.3 that we were planning on keeping immediately. Two more to the Canadian and the last 1.1 here stateside.
So here we are, it's a miracle I have 2.2.2 to offer you at all period lol, yet we are still off lol.
That odd third pair of psychos is valuable to us. Brian wants three pair but I know if the money is right, he will suck it up because the bright happy eyes of a customer is something we like to take pride in.
So, without further rhetoric, Brian is on his way up to the office now and we will try to figure this out for you right now.
A serious buyer always warrants accommodations when possible on our part though. Prying a third pair out of Brian's hands will be challenging enough, and then you want 4 girls which would leave us with 3 males and 1 girl. Yikes.
We're going to figure something out though. Sit tight I will be right back. I have been holding people off for you until we spoke again. This is officially "again"
We will respond right back to you momentarily so we do not tie you up longer than necessary, and likewise, we need to keep the line moving.
If interested in our proposal after you consider it, we always allow the courtesy of the night to 'sleep on it', no deposit necessary, no position forfeited in line.
We will continue to respond to others though in case you decline.
Hopefully I have been able to give you transparency here. Lord knows it's a longer pm than I had intended on sending you. We just love the psychos, they are easy to keep, breed, feed ... And exotic.
We,lol figure something out. I get it, you want a breeding group
Kerry
12/5/15 4:37 PM
Phil a few things come to mind.
Is the 2.4 just a desire for trios or do you have space constraints. In other words. 3.3 causes you an extra terrarium/vivarium whereas the 2.4 only requires 2 housing units.
Important question we realize, so just let us know. Now if space or terrarium count is a non-issue, that could give us more wiggle room.
Whatever the case, let's figure out first what combos work for you, then we can get into semantics if need be.
Likewise, do our 2 available juveniles interest you at all?
The answer to those two questions will help get the ball rolling I believe.
Kerry
12/5/15 6:24 PM
Brian says he is willing to offer you the following but not 4.4.2 because he doesn't want to be left with only one pair.
We can tell you are serious and Brian and I both feel you will surely be a repeat patron if we send you away tickled pink.
5.5.2 $6750 shipped
3.3.2 Cnemaspis Psychedelica $4500 shipped to your door.
2.2.2 ... $3500 shipped
1.1.2 $2500 shipped
Okay, at this point I had not made any commitments and wasn't quite sure if this quite was for C.p.z. and Cnemaspis Psychedelica, or just Cnemaspis Psychedelica, which at this point I wasn't interested in.
12/6/15 7:24 AM
Phil, deals off the table sweetie.
Brian and I are listing these last 2 pair $3500 each, take both for 6k
Ill wait for a collector who wants what he/she wants and price/cost is of no concern to get it.
We gave you a stellar deal. Amazing. You should've jumped on that like white on rice love.
We quoted you at superb pricing and i am sort of troubled anytime an individual comes to us for anything and we can not meet a customers specific desires or requests. We are the least cheap people you'll probably ever meet.
In an effort to give you the stage, I am all ears. Remember it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease after all.
Our aim is never "a sale", those are regular occurrences regardless. Our inventory is molten fire ... Hotness, sells itself.
Our aim here is more refined in that when someone comes to us with a request, that we do everything within our abilities and also within reason, to ensure that that customer, you in this case, leaves us glad they stopped by, and certainly not empty handed if they came with specific request.
The other thing to understand too is that we are done giving sales. We hooked everybody up for weeks straight, 8 psycho pairs radically reduced. Everyone one got extremely unnecessarily reduced pricing on any and everything we sold. Whoever didn't purchase these last 2 weeks either royally goofed, or perhaps money was just tight and off a few bucs.
Point is we hooked it up so lovely with so much love here on fauna these past 30 days. We blessed that gecko classifieds section and every customer with so much class and style and unnecessary discounts they should make Brian and I a plaque.
So I will say this once now. If you like something, in the spirit of our love and passion for this hobby, in the spirit of truly desiring to make you happy ... speak your mind or forever hold your peace.
What do you want animal-wise and what can or do you want to pay for that.
Just tell me and if we can help we will, if not not, but in the sake of all fairness to you. You have until dinner time and I'm not holding anything necessarily until then.
i can sell 2 pair full price to folks who will not only pay full price, but jump for joy whilst doing so because I made there day by the availability alone.
This is me saying to you now "hey I know not everybody is made of money" if a little bending on our part makes a quality difference in your life ... well hey, that's what Brian and I are about.
Once I put these back up though, they won't be coming back down.
The big spenders will be threw soon enough and I know Brian will gladly take full earned retail pay and the pat on the back for the job well done providing the crem de la crem of highly sought after, rarely located, glorious animals.
So she makes a commitment to a price, and 13 hours later the deal is off and she proceeds to chastise me for not jumping on the deal? And due to some mutual confusion I wasn't even sure if she was talking about C.p.z. or C.p.?
Kerry,
I'm sorry I'm going to have to pass. I feel that the price is too high.
I have seen 1.1 go for $350 in the recent past and I have a friend that sells
captive born juveniles for $75 to $100 each
Thank you,
Phil
12/6/15 8:46 AM
lol me too Phil, anyone charging over $350 is a crook, that's what we paid for mine.
I quoted you for Cnemaspis psychedelic Phil. Oh golly lol
No max I think would be $350 pair for Cp.z.
I get the word on those tonight and if not tonight we have a plan B in place for you at Hamm
You're too funny you should have been like "go to hell Kerry"
Haha
So just correct me if I am wrong Phil. You are not interested in psycho prices at all?
Yeah I gave you a thousand off of a pair lol I retail them for $2500 plus
So just clarify for my confused self if you are or are not interested in the psychos. I thought you were and also interested in CPZ
As for cpz, our goal is to get you like 3 pair shipped to your door $750 all in max. And yes I got mine fro Frank (elineye) for $350 each. Pair plus shipping. Fortunately for lucky ok Phil, lucky bastard, I should be able to do $750 for 3.3 unrelated breeding pairs shipped
Well now that we cleared that up and thankfully you realize I'm not a scuzzbag
What a dork I am
12/6/15 9:45 AM
Phil keep those fingers crossed and with a little bit of luck, and some solid legwork already executed on our part, I do believe we will secure you those chirping Peguensis before the week is out. Pick them up in Germany Sunday and have them here and ready to ship to you on Tuesday.
If we secure them and you don't want them, no biggie, we will just keep them for ourselves. I think you'll wind up walking away rather pleased.
Take one pair, take all pair, take no pair ... As long as we did our part in satisfying your wishes thoroughly, that's all we care about. Sales don't matter, what does matter is that Kerry and that Brian gave 100% towards helping you reach your goals.
They're basically looking to make money bringing in animals from Europe, which are much cheaper and sell them at higher than normal prices. They're not necessarily doing anything wrong. Theyre offering animals that aren't readily available here. It's your choice to do business with them or not. What's different between these and everything else? Calotes were 150 € a pair three years ago. Even at that, we were paying 1000 plus through the people who import. Who they choose to associate with is on them, and if you choose to do business with them is on you, but I'm not seeing all too much they're doing wrong. If anything, they're making it easier for us to ask more money for our animals. I personally don't buy animals from Europe with the intention to sell as I feel it pollutes the market. A polluted market depletes prices, as well as the want for a species. The lower the price tag, the fewer people work with a species ime.
Jay Sommers Reptiles
New member
Something smells really fishy here
I agree. She boasts of the ability to get full price for cem de la crem? Why push so hard for less?
I don't believe for a second they're selling the animals they're trying to sell. It's like a car salesman. Just for you, I'm going to make this deal etc. Their prices are the same as when Markus posted the animals. Which again, may seem ok for our market, but at what price they likely get them, it's just an attempt at lining pockets. I'll use the S. Rankini they've both listed at 1600 a pair. The selling price in Europe is about half of that. I didn't do business with them based on the ethics of them bringing in animals and charging more than double what I can acquire them for including importation. But these attempted deals may be all we got to go on, unless someone wants to prove that thought wrong? I do believe however, they are capable of getting the animals they list. I've been able to acquire every species they've posted via the last Hamm show and this one.
Shiari
Member
The constant use of pet names just comes off as really, really unprofessional. Plus the constant use of catch phrases is just bizarre.
I was also thinking car salesman with that all that talk and odd sales tactics. I would call it more of an odd sell than a hard sell honestly. A lot of rambling and then gets condescending when she is in the wrong anyway. I'm not saying they've done anything wrong, but the seller comes across as just kind of strange. I also agree the sweetie and honey stuff is ridiculously unprofessional.
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vampyrebyte
Member
I'm also currently trying to deal with them.
I paid for animals and they were supposed to be shipped on Wednesday evening.
They had a family issue come up that night and weren't able to ship.
They've responded a couple of times since then but nowhere near the amount they did when they were trying to sell me these animals and many more. Kept on trying to get me to buy all these others that i wasn't interested in one being the psychedelic rock geckos.
Something seems fishy. I don't like coincidences.
I paid for animals and they were supposed to be shipped on Wednesday evening.
They had a family issue come up that night and weren't able to ship.
They've responded a couple of times since then but nowhere near the amount they did when they were trying to sell me these animals and many more. Kept on trying to get me to buy all these others that i wasn't interested in one being the psychedelic rock geckos.
Something seems fishy. I don't like coincidences.
tim brophy
Active member
The wording of Contemporary485's e-mails sound suspiciously like one of those Nigerian scam letters, at least to me. The flowery English and labored prose would scare the heck out of me.