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Has anyone dealt with djsreptiles2005

Yes, but we will be shutting that wesite down in a couple of weeks when our domain registration expires. The only reptile I am even considering right now is a baby Pastel Male Ball just because we love pastels and would like to keep one as a pet. As far as the needed by.... we were going to do a show in May 07 before the decision to close the business out. Like I said it is the shipping of the animals that stresses me out and worries me to no end. If there was a more reliable and safe way to do it that did was not a royal pain I would continue to deal in live reptiles. I will correct my website(I have not been to it in about a month) today to show that we are not looking for anything but a pastel male and the breeder/future breeder animals we are getting rid of. We are only keeping our favorite Ball "Zena".
 
djsreptiles2005 said:
If you have any ?? to ask me or if you want to see the emails I sent Mrs Rosen as proof please email me at [email protected].

I strongly suggest you don't forward the emails, except for only what you said, as it is a bit of a violation of my privacy. Additionally, the problem with forwarding email is that it can be edited and the layman isn't going to know how to identify that...so you can type that you said whatever you want.

Nevertheless, yes it was extremely difficult and a pain for both sides. :ack2: It was not pleasant and I do and have aologized for the freeze that Paypal put on the account. I did eventually get my money back, and thank you, but after the maximum amount of claim time and then the extended time for money to get put into the Paypal account because there were insufficient funds in the sellers account.

I do not deny that the seller is and was concerned about the animals and I respect that but after a month or so of waiting, dealing with the fact that the shipping company said I lived in a remote location (which I don't...unless you call Orange County remote), spending money for someone to be around for delivery because I was going to be out, excuse after excuse, etc...I just finally gave up on it happening.

This experience and one with another seller, who sold me a ball and then when they went to go ship it it was missing, has turned me off to owning any more balls except for the one we already have. I have since aquired a yellow ATB and I am very happy with the little fellow.

Oh, and I am not a Mrs...that is my Mom!!! :rofl:
 
vegasghost said:
I strongly suggest you don't forward the emails, except for only what you said, as it is a bit of a violation of my privacy.
Actually Nicole, there is nothing private about any emails that you sent. Once you send them there is no longer any expectation of privacy whatever. You should think about that anytime you write anything.

As for whether it can be edited, if it is sent as a file with the full headers, it should be date and time stamped.
 
Jim O said:
Actually Nicole, there is nothing private about any emails that you sent. Once you send them there is no longer any expectation of privacy whatever. You should think about that anytime you write anything.

As for whether it can be edited, if it is sent as a file with the full headers, it should be date and time stamped.

Actually, you are incorrect!!! (If you only knew what I do for a living!) The expectation to privacy here is different, as most of it is about a private contractual purchase, which would be held to a higher standard. However, had I done this at work, my employer could see it if they want because it was performed on their personal systems/network...that is where there is no expected privacy This transaction was completed on my own system, personal network, etc.

This isn't about believing they tampered an email, I don't believe that at all...it is about the ability to do anything you want to alter it, if you want. They are good people and they have the best of intentions and I wouldn't believe otherwise.

And, as I said a "layman" wouldn't know how to identify emails if they had been edited. I was referring to the fact that they wouldn't know about the header and the time stamp feature, how to track information, encryption, etc. Thus, not even mentioning the headers in the first place. But if you want to have a conversation about the options in information security, privacy, networking, law, etc...there is another board for that and I will gladly direct you there.

By the way...The time stamp featured wouldn't mattered in an altered email that is already in your mailbox that is edited before it was forwarded. The reference to identifying if a email has been tampered with in transit, would be evident when time logs are being processed for that email. The secondary tampering of the original emails when being forwarded wouldn't make a difference. Do you want me to show you?

I am outta here...because this conversation has nothing to do with the original topic of this breeder being a poor seller. I had a very bad, unnecessarily absurd transaction with these people and I would not recommend that anyone should go through the same. Any purchases from them would be great if you can do a local pickup but if you are too far for that this has the possibility of happening. This was about me being burned by a breeder/seller and someone asking if anyone dealt with them and that is it, but I don't have any bitter feelings over it...THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE!!!
 
Well, Nicole, you'd be welcome to try to sue her for such a violation of your privacy, but once an email is sent, and opened by the recipient, it is generally not protected unless there are specific privacy issues (such as doctor-patient confidentiality or attorney-client privilege) at stake. Since you have already made this "private contractual purchase" public to the entire world by bringing it here, a board set up specifically to review details of such transactions, there is very little that is left that could be considered "private", whether you have a law degree or not.

As for whether an email is altered or not, it is up to the "layman" to get proper advice and counsel to help decide what to believe and to ascertain for himself whether a document has been tampered. Frankly, I do not believe this seller savvy enough to alter an email without leaving evidence of it that this "layman" could find.
 
Dude, do you already not get it? Stick to the point of this thread. A question about a dishonest seller. I have no interest in discussing law, security and privacy...unless, you want to pay my consulting fee. Get off of this topic already. Stick to the reason why this thread is here in the first place.

The important thing is about staying away from breeders who have possibly a bad history of poor transactions.

Anyway, I may be from CA but I am not sue happy...you mentioned suing...and the idea of doing such is just plain juvenile.

If you want to discuss the unpleasantries of the transaction, in general, without me giving you the exact emails then ask away...but get off the ridiculous tangent.
 
vegasghost said:
Dude, do you already not get it? Stick to the point of this thread. A question about a dishonest seller. I have no interest in discussing law, security and privacy...unless, you want to pay my consulting fee. Get off of this topic already. Stick to the reason why this thread is here in the first place.
I'm not your "Dude" girl, and last time I checked, you don't own or moderate this site or its threads. You posted what I consider to be misinformation and I challenged it. Why would I pay a fee for an opinion with which I would disagree?

The important thing is about staying away from breeders who have possibly a bad history of poor transactions.
Profound. Glad that you told us that. None of us would have figured it out without your help. Do we owe you a consulting fee for this?

vegasghost said:
Anyway, I may be from CA but I am not sue happy...you mentioned suing...and the idea of doing such is just plain juvenile.
Well that's good, but then you have no remedy against this seller if she shares your so called private emails.

vegasghost said:
If you want to discuss the unpleasantries of the transaction, in general, without me giving you the exact emails then ask away...but get off the ridiculous tangent.
Actually, I believe that I have enough information. If I were to ever choose to do business with this seller, extremely unlikely as it may be, I would do so in person, as you advised. As I am local (guessing that she is in Chesapeake, VA), that would not be a problem. I wonder if I owe you a consulting fee for that advice too. :rofl:
 
Nope, no consulting fee!

Because you obviously didn't learn anything...respect and sticking to a thread topic! Which is all I am interested in doing.

I don't feel like stooping to your level with this nonsense banter. When there is a real post about the original topic, then I will concern myself with the matter.

Good Day!!! :NoNo:
 
Nichole I hate to butt in,,, but you took the thread of topic and brought up the emails.
You made it part of this discussion so live with it and besides why did you bring it up? almost like you were trying to set things up in case your emails were posted..

As far as I can find out(didn't look real hard) Jim's take on emails is pretty much the way it is.. Only way I see that an email is private is if it is stated in the email that it is for so and so and no other ETC ETC.. Bring it up and then get upset that it is discussed !! that makes sense..Randy
 
vegasghost said:
Nope, no consulting fee!

Because you obviously didn't learn anything...respect and sticking to a thread topic! Which is all I am interested in doing.

I don't feel like stooping to your level with this nonsense banter. When there is a real post about the original topic, then I will concern myself with the matter.

Good Day!!! :NoNo:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: You just can't resist coming back and promising only to talk on the subject of the transaction. Was this the third time? Respect is earned, and you've done a fine job of not earning it. This isn't your site to moderate, but if you have a complaint about the direction of this thread, feel free to take it up with the site moderators and/or the administrator/owner. I wonder if they would choose to share your "private" electronic communications on the subject. I suspect that they might....

Oh, and Business 101 (and lessons learned though many years providing "consultations" and services, almost as many as you have been breathing), you collect your fee even if the client chooses not to take your advice. See, they pay for the advice, and then they make a choice whether to take it. And don't show your anger when they choose not to take your advice. Smile and say thank you, because they may have another, bigger job waiting for you (or refer a bigger client who might take your advice) and you never know when you might need that. Business may be great this year, but next year you never know...
 
vegasghost said:
I strongly suggest you don't forward the emails, except for only what you said, as it is a bit of a violation of my privacy. Additionally, the problem with forwarding email is that it can be edited and the layman isn't going to know how to identify that...so you can type that you said whatever you want.

I strongly suggest that if you want to be taken seriously on the BOI or anywhere for that matter, you don't make claims against another, then attempt to intimidate the individual into not posting all evidence.

For you to suggest someone is less than honest, then to threaten, yes threaten, that something may happen for posting a record of events, would lead one to believe that the record of the transaction may not show favor to your position. You made this transaction public.


vegasghost said:
Actually, you are incorrect!!! (If you only knew what I do for a living!) The expectation to privacy here is different, as most of it is about a private contractual purchase, which would be held to a higher standard.

Again, this isn't a private purchase. You have openly claimed and have now stated this person is dishonest.

vegasghost said:
The important thing is about staying away from breeders who have possibly a bad history of poor transactions.

It is just as important to show proof that they do have a bad history.

vegasghost said:
I am outta here...because this conversation has nothing to do with the original topic of this breeder being a poor seller. I had a very bad, unnecessarily absurd transaction with these people and I would not recommend that anyone should go through the same.

That may be true. Their record even suggests such but just because you say so, doesn't mean that we should take it at face value. Evidence was asked for and you made an attempt to stop the evidence that should support your statements. Makes one wonder if your statements can be trusted.

vegasghost said:
Because you obviously didn't learn anything...respect and sticking to a thread topic! Which is all I am interested in doing.

vegasghost said:
Dude, do you already not get it? Stick to the point of this thread. A question about a dishonest seller.

You claimed they were dishonest. We are sticking to the topic. You aren't required to show proof, but it is suggested if you want credibility.
I have to admit, this is the first time someone looked like a bad guy but one of the accusers tells the believed "bad guy" not to post evidence of the transaction. It really makes you wonder about the accuser. On the other hand, many times by the end of a thread, the accuser has been discovered to be in the wrong. Or the "Bad Guy"!
 
Finally, back on the original post.

I only, respectfully asked not to provide the emails, as they contain my address, phone number and email address...all of which are only the business of the breeder, myself and Paypal. That isn't too much to ask at all.

She can put all the content she want's up here, I don't give a care about that. My right was to respectfully request that those emails simply not be forwarded with any of that information...that is the true request.

She described the whole situation, really what was there left to inquire about? She gave you all the information on that situation...nothing different to report.

As for who is the good guy and the bad guy, nobody is either. It was just a bad transaction where the snake wasn't received due to numerous delays, then the money wasn't being refunded properly, and then Paypal finally decided in my honor and started the steps to get me a refund, which they did.

End of story!

The breeder is a great person and I don't hold any ill will, but a request was made as to if anyone had a transaction and I responded...next time I will think twice about doing such.

Who knew respsonding to someone's inquiry to help them out would bring so much unnecessary wrath months down the line when there is no longer a quarrell or concern between the seller or the buyer.
:shrug01:
 
Griz said:
I believe, although am not 100% certain, that that would be Dallas Spergin. If so, then he and I did a fairly large transaction (I was the seller) earlier this year and everything went smoothly.

Griz
hi bob,
lol i was looking at this thinking it was me at first also lm@o :rofl:
but never have heard of the mentiond name. gl on what your searching for :thumbsup:
 
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