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Has anyone delt with Dan Parma/ Snakes Den???

Of coarse...

Yes, I will do that. As I said, I am not here to have a war with anyone or call people names.

Dan has told me that he "will email them to you <meaning me> and you could do what you want if you want to post them go ahead".

As soon as I receive those, I will post them on here since he (Dan) said it was ok with him.

I have alrwady been told there there is a LOT of "talk" going on behind my back about my being on Sal's side about this; however, at this point I am on MY OWN side, only wanting to make sure that I did not receive anything that was stolen, regardless of who else the parties are that are involved.

I am reserving all judgment on this one at this time. I have had no bad business dealings with either party thusfar to the best of my knowledge.

Yes, this should prove to be interesting...

Aprylla Hall
 
um...

I hope that last post wasn't meant towards me that was posted by JADE2U. As I have said, I am not taking sides on anything here, I only want to be sure that I have not received stolen property, as I would think ANYONE would in this situation.

If you are calling ME "questionable" I would also like to know why, because I have never really had any issues with anyone I have sold a reptile to, and have only had a very occasional issue with someone I have bought a reptile from. I have many wonderful people that I do business with on here and other places who I am sure can vouch for my validity as a good person to do business with. However, just because I have asked for proof that someone actually OWNED what they traded to me and provide receipts taht he has said he does have, I do not think that it is the time or place to call MY character into question.

Aprylla Hall
 
Dan please read

Dan
Look if you remember I ( Adam ) was on a 3 way call with you and Sal when he was sending you the rest of his stuff to hold. You even told me on the phone at the time that you al ready had all his Geckos and boas at the time. He was also sending the rest that day, in fact they were already in route as we spoke. In fact, you told me you were going move to Florida with your famliy by him. You also stated,"you were going to be business partners.Since you were great friends. I try and stay out of things and would not stake my reputation over lies. So with that in mind I must stand up for what is right. I am not saying that Sal didn't have some bad dealings in the past but, with every thing he was going through at the time why would you tell him you would help him out and then kick him when he was down. Also in the conversation Sal told you if you wanted his house you coulc have it just take over the payments (this was stated before you said you were moving to Florida). Because you stated you had family in Pennslyvania. I myself find it funny that these so called receipts posted are all from Pennslyvania. This all could be a (COINCIDENCE) though. What kind of person does that to some who is suppose to be a good friend. Again you know I was on the phone with you guys at the time you even told me you were looking at all his stuff that you al ready had in your home at the time of the conversation of his why we were on the phone. Now you are telling people he didn't give you any animals and you then turned around and sold stuff and said it was yours. HOW can you lie like that! So in fact you are selling people STOLEN ANIMALS to my knowledge that is ILLEGAL. Please do the right thing and either get his animals back or pay him for them since you sold them ILLEGALLY and pocketed the money yourself. Stop all this lying that you never got any reptiles from him now that you know I am speaking up on this. Again remember you and I spoke and you told me what you had in your possession of Sal's animals. Please just do the right thing I will even leave my # that you or anyone can call me on this matter! (845)651-5106
Adam Ubides
www.jungleherps.com
(It's things like this that give the reptile business a bad name you people keep doing crap like this and are making it hard for the rest of us honest people in this business).
 
Still Waiting!!!

Well DAN now you have two things to do now.... 1- have the nerve to call me and 2 - show proof of the snakes.... This one I have to see!

I know it's gonna take you a few days to come up with them, reason being you don't have any! I know it, you know it and now everyone else will know it!

See what happens when you screw a friend DAN! You dug your own grave <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> now your on your own.

Sal
Boca Reptiles
 
Sayyyyyyyy salito, I was just wondering if dan's grave was in the same cemetary as ALL the graves you've dug yourself over the last year or so.

While I do TOTALLY agree that if dan really did rip you off you deserve to be paid, I also TOTALLY think that you have some folks that you TOTALLY RIPPED OFF that also need a little compensation.

Have you taken care of Mark? Have you taken care of EVERYONE ELSE that you ripped off?

Could you post some proof if you indeed claim that you have?

Wes Pollock
 
Adam U,

Hate to tell you this sweetie pie, but check the rest of the BOI. I do a lot of business and make a lot of posts for good guy experiences and bad guy experiences. I not only post on this forum, but on many others with good guy and bad guy reports. So let me get this straight....... I see a post about someone that I have dealt with in the past so I post a reply saying that I had a good experience. Then I am challenged by this Sal saying I am lying and to show proof. So I post the receipts and now I am being questioned as to if I am family of this guy. See, some of us out there will post good things about people that aren't family. I am usually a nice person about things and anyone who has done business with me can attest to this. I am sick of being accused of things because of what I wrote and where I live. I can furnish you with literally hundreds of receipts from different people within the US that I have done business with. I guess I keep better records than most people. Nice. I guess now you are going to want family tree records huh? Grow up! Don't post things that you know nothing about and don't make insinuations about people that you don't know. See, that can land you in a lot of trouble for many many reasons. Go ahead, respond. My children can make more intelligent responses than you and your little buddy Sal can. Funny how you admit that you and Sal are friends, but no one else can be friends with anyone huh? I mean isn't that what you both are complaining about? Friends writing things for friends? Oops. Open mouth insert foot, huh? :flamethr:
 
reciepts

here is the reciepts in question this stuff was purchased for dagans lizards and dragons in middletown p.a what else you got to give mister sal? i dont know if this is going to show up but if not aprylla has the email i sent her so she can post it
 

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sal

also sal this adam guy is one of you friends also so you can take that all with a grain of salt also
 
To Jenn

Hi Jenn,
First, I would like to say I said," it COULD be a coincidence". I apologize if through all the lies I see since Dan and I spoke personally that I tend to see him to do what ever it takes to make himself look correct in this matter. The fact that Dan personally stated he has family there made me tend to wonder after all the other lies he's written. I apologize if I have offended you and if you have done good business with him in the past that is great. But I must stand up on this matter because I personally know that these animals are not his and since he's claiming they were his and not Sal's then they are STOLEN! And as far as that matter is concerned I would stand up for anyone not just a friend knowing all the information I know. And have the thief personally tell me he's holding the animals as a so called friend. Again I am not here to make childish comments. I am just here to state the facts. That is why I even left my personally number. So that anyone may contact me if they wish to question me in this matter.
Thanks for your time.
Adam Ubides
 
sal (ripoff artist)

this is funny i must have long lost family in p.a i wish i had met them because i dont know who they are lol this is getting funnier by the minute lol the lenght that sal goes to make his lies seem like the truth unreal
 
To Dan

To Dan:
Never mind the grain of salt. Just be a man in this matter since you know that I know the truth in this matter. When we were on the phone talking about this you seemed like a real decent guy and a good friend to Sal at the time willing to help him and house his animals during his move. But I guess all along you were only helping yourself. How long are you actually going to let this go? When you know people know the truth. I am not trying to be nasty with you I am just standing up for the truth as to proof in our conversation. Again you know what I know. Also, since we have personally spoke on the phone and seemed to have gotten along feel free to call me if you have a grudge against ME for standing up for what I know to be the truth in this matter. Again here is my number
(845) 651-5106 any time always up late.
Thank you
Adam Ubides
 
Repost?

Hi Jade2U/Jennifer. I would like to ask if you could please re-scan and re-post those same invoices from Dan/Snakes Den? Please include the top and the very bottom of the form this time if you don't mind please. It appears that your invoices somehow got cut off on the tops and bottoms.

Thank you!

Aprylla Hall
 
Sorry, what I posted is what I got. They are my copies of past receipts. My accountants have the originals to everything. I don't even really feel I have to explain that either, but whatever. I am just wondering what the relevance of the top and bottom of the receipts is. White paper? The bottoms are there from what I can tell. And sorry, but I am not going to contact the accountants and have them dig for the originals if they even have them cause I really don't know what they do with that stuff after a while. Oh, just in case you are wondering, my accountants are Sneigocki and Associates in Pennsylvania. I just didn't want anyone to think I was related to them too. Would you people like a blood sample also?
 
Nope...

Thank you but I think I have all I need now from you, Ms. Sill.

I will reserve further comment on this situation until I do some research regarding the transaction between myself and Dan.

Aprylla Hall
 
sal (ripoff artist)

hi sorry i forgot to post my name in the above posts its dan parma
 
MISS Aprylla!!!

Hello everyone I am Both an aquaintance of Sal, and Dan. Well guys I hope this will shed alittle light on the whole thing as far as someone posting under false pretenses.. Miss Aprylla who claims to not be taking sides has sent the following e-mails to Sal and Dan. Sorry guys but both of you are pissed at each other and I have heard both sides and still am choosing to remain neutral I hope you can respect my choice to do so. The following will speak for itself.


Sent to Sal:

This is the message:

Wnated to e-mail you regarding your post about Snakes Den/Dan Parma. It
got me to thinking. I did a trade with Dan Parma a few months ago. He
badly wanted a female blue tegu I had and traded me the following: 0.1
2003 Cay Calkers Boa, Adult 0.1 Orange Phase Amazon Tree Boa, Sub-Adult
0.0.1 Rosy Boa and a 4 foot gogreous high-orange looking female redtail
boa. I wasn;t terribly interested in anything buy the Rosy Boa really,
so I sold the others on Reptibid. Had I suspected any of them of being
stolen I never would have traded with him. The blue tegu he wanted from
me so much he SOLD within 48 hours of receiving and then e-mailed me
wanting to know why she wouldn;t eat...I told him probably because the
stress he had put her through by having me ship her from MS to IL and
then from IL to VA all within about 72 hours. I had a bad feeling about
this guy so I didn't ship first. If I had, I don't think I ever would
have gotten anything. I didn't want to get involved in this post on
Fauana because most people on here are total morons.

I bought a coupel things from you probably a year or more ago and was
happy with them. I have heard of some bad things that you have done.
You never did me wrong on a sale though. I think everyone deserves a
second chance. People on the Fauna BOI seem to be out for blood and
don't care who's it is. The very fact that you are trying to make
things right with everyone shows me that you mean what you say.

Just thought I would let you in on the trade I did with Dan Parma. I am
totally sorry, had I known what he did I never would have shipped him
the blue tegu. Instead I would have taken the animals he shipped me and
sent them to you.

I wonder if he still has any of your animals??? If he does maybe I can
get some of them back for you somehow. Let me know if I can help.

FYI, I will be buying from you again in the future!

Thanks.

Aprylla




Sent to Dan:

This is the message:

Hey Dan! OMG, I was reading the thread here about Sal and I was just
DYING laughing!!! I don;t personally know Sal, but I have heard that he
is a BAD BAD guy and to stay clear of him. I find it TOTALLY HILARIOUS
that someone who ripped off so many people got his just desserts!!!
ROTFL!!! :)~ I dunno what you did to this guy but I think he's busted
himself on a number of occasions. Liek I said, I dunno what you did to
him but GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!! One of the bad guys got his finally! LOL

Anyways, I actually was contacting you to see if you knew of anyone in
the market for a rather large blackthroat monitor. He is nearly 4 feet
long. I am thinking of putting him on Reptibid, but I have had soooo
many non-paying bidders lately I am tired of it. I may also post him
here on Fauna. Will have some pics of him this afternoon if you or
anyone you might know is interested.

Take care and ttyl....

Aprylla
:p :p

I would personally keep my eyes on the people getting in on this they seem to think they have something to gain. Again I am sorry Sal and Dan neither wanted the e-mails sent to me to go public but enough is enough.


Thank you
Tony Barbush
 
Exposing a scammer...

You'll have to excuse me for attempting to EXPOSE a scammer here Tony. You have to remember that I have worked for both a lawyer and a private investigator, so maybe my methods are not quite the "norm".

I contacted the both of them to try to figure out who was telling the truth. You can't go straight to a liar and ask "are you lying to me?". You have to go about it different ways. Not moral to some, but it gets the job done.

Whichever one it was lying, I was going to expose them.

Now....being that I have done my own investigating into this matter I have found one VERY intersting clue about who is telling the trusth and who is not. I have given that particular piece of info to Sal and if he wishes me to, I will divulge the info to everyone else. I can PROMISE you that it makes Dan look VERY VERY VERY guilty! It is something that is contained right here in the thread, for all to see. None of which I posted either. I think anyone who finds it will be very interested to figure out what it is.

I believe at this point that Dan is very suspicious. I believe there is a *possibility* that he did in fact, trade reptiles with me that were Sal's and were not his to trade.

I am still trying to hold back on making a desicion about this, but Dan does look a good bit guilty to me at this point.

Aprylla Hall
 
FYI...

Fyi, I don't know what anyone is thinking I have to "gain" from this. Up until this morning I hadn't spoken to Sal since a year and a half ago when I bought a couple lizards from him. I contated him because I was concerned that it was possible that I had received stolen reptiles. I only wanted to find out the truth regardless of who was telling the truth and who was a liar.

I knew that the moment anyone thought I was "defending" Sal that they would try to drag me down into the mud too.

I stand behind what I said to Sal. I will do business with him again if the opportunity ever arises. Sal has never done me wrong on a sale. Then again, Dan had never done me wrong on a sale either. But obviously, one of the two of them was lying and I had to find out which one it was. I cannot afford to be the recepient of stolen goods, my career would be over if I were even officially accused of such a thing.

Go ahead and drag me through the mud like I know a lot of you will try to do. I have many people who I do business with that know me, many know me personally. The people I deal with know that I am nothing if not a person thay can count on to receive high quality reptiles and do whatever it takes for them to be happy with their purchase.

I also bust scammers in my spare time, which some of you have been on the wrong end of, LOL. Yep, some folks already don't like me because they have been busted trying to rob people of their money, or of their reptiles, or both. I will continue to try to help bust any scammer I am made aware of, no matter how many enemies I make along the way.

Aprylla Hall
 
Oh by the way Im the author of that reciept posted by Mr. Parma...

For a few years I helped a friend of mine Todd who had a Reptile business and exotic petstore named "Dagens Lizards and Dragons" we made a trade with Mr. Parma through a suggestion of a personal friend and Dan arranged the shipping on his account, I packed the animals and wrote the reciept on December 11th 2003, if this was a cash purchase in the state of PA there would be a cash register reciept to follow this. The reciept was written on a universal pad that was purchased by Todd at an office supply store for selling animals at reptile shows.
I can also verify any other animals that did reside at Dagens store as I took care of them as well some of my personal animals on a daily basis, one was a female Red Tegu sold to an individual at the Lititz Show a few weeks ago through "Daves Zoo", there was also a partially crippled Uromastyx that resides in Tony Barbush's collection. As well there is a pair of frilled lizards in Keith Blacks (Reptile Auction.com) collection. A 2.3 group of adult chuckwallas that resides in Jades collection. The Southern Snow Pine thats in Mr. Parmas collection, pretty but bad attitude. Theres a big female SFxRed Beardie in an aquaintance named Jodis collection. Theres an ornate nile monitor thats yellow with 4 rows of spots in Jades collection. There was a customer that showed up on a weekly basis (retired woman in a wheelchair that requested her name stay out of this) that has several SFx beardies, an unidentified caiman species, and several other animals she loves dearly. I could name customers all day to verify more but what good does any of that do?
By the way I personally dealt with Sal once through Dagens Lizards and Dragons, and if he'd like to verify the business I purchased a Frank Retes male banded whitethroat for Todd through Ben Seigel, beautiful animal and a such a sweetheart his name is "Zeus", Todd has him and a "Sienna Leguaan" , rare color type of whitethroat named "Blaize", about 5 ft long and friendly.
 
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