I am still here.. I have not given up. I have learned my lesson. A simple attempt of "how I can better talk to people" cause me to lie on the BOI.. That was my "fatal error". Just like you (Lynn)my apologies were not sincere enough. Just let it come to pass. Most of the folks here on the BOI and on mine are linked to the same gecko groups. Again, I apologize for my paticipation.
This alone is more than enough justification for the continued interest in this person. Not only does he try to rationalize the actions which brought this situation about, his rationalization is entirely fictional. His continued inability to be honest is what shows that he hasn't learned any lesson from this. As such, there's no reason to believe that there's not a real possibility that he'd pull a similar stunt again. Hubris and dishonesty are his fatal errors. I'm not seeing anything that would imply that he's not still afflicted with those particular traits.
This whole thing was precipitated by a conscious choice to use a fake name to create a shill account. It had nothing to do with learning how to interact with people. It was a wholly deceptive act designed to drum up some publicity. Like the attention-seeker he clearly appears to be, he simply wanted to see his name in lights and give people the chance to stroke his ego. It backfired in his face. Rightfully so. His self-imposed lack of credibility can easily be extrapolated into other aspects of his business; from claimed genetics to general health. If you can't even trust someone to always use their own name, you really can't trust that person very far. It's that big, fat, hanging "what if" that should be more than enough to give potential buyers cause for pause.
it wasn't an insult , it's a fact in which CLAY had to point out
Thanks Ms.Lucille Hollander
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Please enough with you're "rally all the troops against anyone who you don't agree with mentality " .
Aren't you like 60 
? and i'm in no way being insultful ,but it's like you get paid to be on here 
Yeah, nothing "insultful" [sic] about that.
Oh, sweet irony. I'd explain what I mean, but I can already imagine your blank stare as it went over your head. Instead, I'll use your own words to illustrate the inherent hypocrisy. If you don't understand what that means, maybe you could have your boy, Ariel, explain it to you. He seems to like
ad nauseum repetitions of his self-serving little mantra. To those reading, I apologize in advance for Ariel's impending filibuster of a rebuttal.
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The insults were'nt needed Dan. Please be rational when you speak to me. I didn't disrespect you , so please don't disrespect me.
I was nearly catatonic with despair over losing that single point you knocked off my total, by the way.
but unlike the majority of you i can actually stay on topic
again this isn't about me , although i'm sure you would like to make it about me. So you have something to do today, but let's please stay on topic . Thank You
Is Lucille now the topic of this thread? No? More of that hypocrisy thing. Your participation is working to make this about you, inasmuch as it shows your blithe willingness to associate yourself with those of clearly questionable character, as it
directly relates to the reptile business. If we're known by the company we keep, your own chosen associations are saying bad things about you.
There are those who embrace a "by any means necessary" mentality, for whom the ends justify the means; and those of us who choose not to condone poor business ethics by continuing to associate with such people. You've seemingly chosen to stand up and be counted among the former. I've chosen the latter. Between Lynn Rafferty and Ariel Cudia/"Sal Robles"/"Josh Harnett", or whatever name he's choosing to go by, you sure do know how to pick 'em.
There's no rallying of troops necessary. Every single word we say in here means something to somebody. If we're all to be judged by what we post on the BOI - and I assure you, we all are - I'd rather be judged as someone who opposes that which you choose to support: someone who chose to partake in the cowardly mustering of mindless "fans" to harass an unsuspecting victim; someone who chose to partake in the cowardly use of fake names, as well as a mass of subsequent lies to try to cover it up.
The best way to kill these trolls would be to simply starve them of the attention they crave. With that in mind, I don't think I'll have anything more to add. I'm content to let them think that getting the last word in will somehow negate all that's come to pass.
