Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark

[Griz]

Bob in order to understand the latter, you have to understand the beginning, Not once was it proved that these were in fact Ed's Snakes Every one's going off on a tangent over the fact it is Ed and his arrogance of not posting here, Not one piece of solid proof has been presented on the origin of the said snakes. all we have is the word of someones claim. It is the innocent man who sits in silence, While the guilty man shouts from the roof top of his innocence. Been there done that.

I know Bill, it's all a conspiracy isn't it? Understand the latter?? Are you kidding me? In order to understand why she posted you don't need to understand the latter. You need to understand the motive. What was her motive? Go back and read the thread you bumbling buffoon. I can't believe I actually WANT to get into an argument with you over ethics and the principles behind this thread.

This is all about ethics and a person's responsibility, not as a breeder, not as a seller, but as a lover of this hobby to assist those that need it. Emily sought assistance from Ed and was blown off. Originally yes, the burden of proof was on Emily. But, when you take everything into consideration, both past and present behavior, the burden of proof starts to change.

There's an old thread on here about a thief who cut a hole in box so that he could steal someone's $100 animal. Originally, the burden of the proof was on the thread starter but after seeing the thief's behavior it became much more apparent where the guilt lied. Now, here we are a few years later and much more wiser and that individuals past behavior taints everything he does now doesn't it? No different with Ed.

Why don't you and your fingers spend more time earning money to pay back the people you robbed from and less time here trying to practice your new found principles. Pathetic little man.....

Griz

 

[Bill_Leverton]

I know Bill, it's all a conspiracy isn't it? Understand the latter?? Are you kidding me? In order to understand why she posted you don't need to understand the latter. You need to understand the motive. What was her motive? Go back and read the thread you bumbling buffoon. I can't believe I actually WANT to get into an argument with you over ethics and the principles behind this thread.

Conspiracy I never said it was. Facts !!! What are the real facts This has nothing to do with ethics The Proof of the snakes origin has not been proven, Do You Know For A Fact These Came From Ed ? I don't know her motive, Do you ? Like I said above I'm not here defending Ed, Heck I don't even know him. All I am defending is the fact there is not one person here,that knows the origin of these snakesexcept for Emily, and mistakes do happen. (ie: cards get mixed up and what not)

This is all about ethics and a person's responsibility, not as a breeder, not as a seller, but as a lover of this hobby to assist those that need it. Emily sought assistance from Ed and was blown off. Originally yes, the burden of proof was on Emily. But, when you take everything into consideration, both past and present behavior, the burden of proof starts to change.

You can't take responsibility for something that may no be yours

There's an old thread on here about a thief who cut a hole in box so that he could steal someone's $100 animal. Originally, the burden of the proof was on the thread starter but after seeing the thief's behavior it became much more apparent where the guilt lied. Now, here we are a few years later and much more wiser and that individuals past behavior taints everything he does now doesn't it?

Yes there is, and Yes I was found guilty. I made a big mistake and I live with it. But not to the point I let it dictate my life. It just made me slow down on my buying and pay closer attention to how I do things.

Why don't you and your fingers spend more time earning money to pay back the people you robbed from and less time here trying to practice your new found principles. Pathetic little man.....

Griz

Its one person and she is getting paid.
So the count is Ive been a bad boy twice, I have to remedy that.


makes note to self, Bill don't be a bad boy no more.

 

[Wilomn]

bill, you're wrong.

Emily has not done one thing to make anyone who counts, take that as you may, think she is lying.

mr. clark has not done one thing to make anyone who counts, again as you may, think he has told the truth.

mr. clark does not even know if he sent her imports or the captive born and bred future holdback clean as you can get in the business breeders from his own stock.

Take a break bill, all you're doing is splitting some awfully fine hairs to bring doubt into an issue where no one who counts has ANY doubt at all.

mr. clark is a lying theif and scumbag.

Emily is the victim of mr. clark's lying and stealing.

It's as plain as that and YOU know it bill. Take it somewhere else.

 

[snake5007]

and mistakes do happen. (ie: cards get mixed up and what not)

Yeah, like maybe Ed got wc/ch mixed up with cbb.

 

[cookreptiles]

I did actually offer way back in the beginning of this thread to take photos of the snakes in question but it was decided that that wasn't really necessary. Besides, all Ed would have to do is lie and say the snakes pictured didn't come from him. He can't even remember what he sent me, so why would he recognize them anyhow?

The snakes that came from Ed have always been kept in their own rack so it's not really possible for me to have mixed them up. My collection is small enough that I recognize each snake anyhow--if someone were to put them all into a big pile I could pick out each one and put it back in its correct tub.

 

[Stardust]

bill, you're wrong.

Emily has not done one thing to make anyone who counts, take that as you may, think she is lying.

mr. clark has not done one thing to make anyone who counts, again as you may, think he has told the truth.

mr. clark does not even know if he sent her imports or the captive born and bred future holdback clean as you can get in the business breeders from his own stock.

Take a break bill, all you're doing is splitting some awfully fine hairs to bring doubt into an issue where no one who counts has ANY doubt at all.

mr. clark is a lying theif and scumbag.

Emily is the victim of mr. clark's lying and stealing.

It's as plain as that and YOU know it bill. Take it somewhere else.

I would like to know just who "counts".

This thread is unbelievably long and for what? Ed has not posted once in this thread, not once. Although I think he should have, or at least wrote her privately, he certainly was/is under no obligation to.

Some are spouting facts facts facts. Where are these facts and overwhelming evidence?
The only facts I see is that Ed Clark has not posted here at all.
Emily has snakes she bought from Ed back in Nov 06 that has been found recently to have parasites.

What is the thread count on here? In the 700's now? 800's? All with Ed not even posting?
Granted, Ed could have done some things differently and in my mind should have but it really doesn't matter as he doesn't have to listen to me, you, the people that "count" or anyone else and by now with this thread so long I am beginning to wonder if he may have known all along that even IF he did write privately it would have been posted here and ripped apart anyway. This whole long thread all for one person (and I do feel bad for her plight) who bought something almost a year ago and the person she bought from hasn't even posted, I don't even want to think of what this would look like if he had.

These are the threads I wish were locked, it looks like crap, helps people to make decisions NOT to want to get involved with making a simple post, good or bad and gives the BOI (more like the "people who count") a bad name, therefore not being used to the purpose it was once intended for.

 

[DThomas]

This thread is unbelievably long and for what? Ed has not posted once in this thread, not once.

Actually, he has, once. Post #37.

 

[Stardust]

Actually, he has, once. Post #37.

Thank you Dennis. I stand corrected on that. It was at the very beginning and with this thread so long I had forgotten. The gist of my thread still stands though.

 

[Stardust]

thread = post, sorry again.

 

[critical bill]

No proof of innocence. And what proof do you have of guilt ?

If you go back and read the whopping two or three posts by Ed you will see that he plainly admits to not being sure if he sent CH or CBB animals. He had to go back and check his records.

Why hasn't Emily heard back from Ed about that?

Its obvious there are no records to check. Its obvious a big mistake could have been made. Ed is simply not willing to accept responsibility for the great possibility he screwed up.

Sound eerily familiar?

 

[Bill_Leverton]

bill, you're wrong.

Emily has not done one thing to make anyone who counts, take that as you may, think she is lying.

I never once said Emily was lying.

mr. clark has not done one thing to make anyone who counts, again as you may, think he has told the truth.

I never said Ed is telling the truth.. Heck he hasn't said anything. So that makes him guilty ? (In this instance only)

mr. clark does not even know if he sent her imports or the captive born and bred future holdback clean as you can get in the business breeders from his own stock.

I'll conside this one.

Take a break bill, all you're doing is splitting some awfully fine hairs to bring doubt into an issue where no one who counts has ANY doubt at all.

Once again Wes you are right. Break Time.

mr. clark is a lying theif and scumbag.

*Ok, I'll just have to take your word on that, You know him I don't, our paths have never crossed.

Emily is the victim of mr. clark's lying and stealing.

No answer.

It's as plain as that and YOU know it bill.

No answer

 

[Stardust]

Emily, we did a trade deal about a year ago with some baby ball pythons, for some of your crested geckos.

Did you do fecal exams on these babies at that time when you recieved them? I know you added other balls to your collection after you recieved those babies from me...did you do fecals on them?

I have a very good herp vet that I use and we do random fecals on my adult breeders and have not had any positive results yet for internal parasites...all negative!

Dont you think these parasites would have shown up in these Ball Pythons before this. its been about a year since I shipped these to you?

OK here is the single thread (#37) that Ed posted to recap. Plus there is one that he posted in the mods forums that Jay posted on here where he basically says that Emily lies and those were not his snakes (paraphrasing).

Again, although I think Ed should have done SOMETHING, ANYTHING, I still think this thread has run its course. It is obvious that Ed is not going to do anything, Emily still has to get her snakes well, it still has been almost a year ago since the transaction had taken place before anyone even knew of these parasites.
With all the jokes and name calling, still, nothing has changed, nor do I see anything ever changing especially now that this has played out, yet again, like it has.

 

[critical bill]

mistakes do happen. (ie: cards get mixed up and what not)

I see where you're going with this. Its sort of like sending a customer an empty box with a hole in it and forgetting to put the snake inside.

Good for you that you can understand and relate to the dilemma of another thief. This has to feel like community service work for you. Awesome, just awesome....

 

[critical bill]

Can anyone check to see if Ed deleted a second post he made in thread? I could swear there were two post he made and in the second one he admitted to Emily of being uncertain if he sent CH or CBB in the trade and that he had to check his records.

Perhaps it was a post by Emily in which it contained an email from Ed stating that. Not sure but I'll go check Emily's posts.

 

[critical bill]

Ah yes, here it is. Post #11 made by Emily.

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ed has been contacted about the situation via a pm here on 9-15-07:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cookreptiles
hi ed,

remember the group of female ball pythons that you sent me last year in trade for a group of cresteds? one of them passed a mass of tapeworms yesterday so i took her to the vet today. a fecal found tapeworms, strongiloides and a high number of coccidia.

the girls all eat great but none of them have really gained much weight, which makes sense now. i have had fecals done on a few of my other snakes in the recent past, which all came out clear. my other snakes are also all growing normally, so i am almost 100% certain that the only snakes that have internal parasites are the ones i received from you. i will be having fecals done on all of my snakes over the next few weeks in order to confirm this.

i wanted to let you know this so you can take the necessary measures to test and treat your collection, especially since coccidia is fairly serious. i feel that this is something that others with snakes that came from you should know, so that they can test and treat their snakes as well. i hope that you will take the initiative to issue a public alert, however, should you choose not to do so, i will post a warning so that people can take the appropriate action.

thanks,
emily cook



ed's reply:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ECLARK
Emily, thanks for the message. dont remember if the Balls that I sent you were captive bred or captive hatched. will look into it to find out and get back to you.


my reply:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cookreptiles
hi ed,

you had said that they were cb from your collection and that you were letting a bunch of your younger females go to make space for new morphs.

thanks for looking into it,
emily
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[shrap]

No proof of innocence. And what proof do you have of guilt ?

I have proof that YOU are a liar, a scammer, a thief and total scumbag with the IQ of a rock.

With that said, you have lost all credibility and should really refrain from anything ethics related.

 

[DThomas]

Can anyone check to see if Ed deleted a second post he made in thread? I could swear there were two post he made and in the second one he admitted to Emily of being uncertain if he sent CH or CBB in the trade and that he had to check his records.

Perhaps it was a post by Emily in which it contained an email from Ed stating that. Not sure but I'll go check Emily's posts.

Ed can NOT delete anything on the BOI. Only the 3 Site Mods and Rich have that ability.

 

[Stardust]

I have proof that YOU are a liar, a scammer, a thief and total scumbag with the IQ of a rock.

With that said, you have lost all credibility and should really refrain from anything ethics related.

Round and round we go. This thread has NOTHING to do with Bill Leverton and ANYONE has a right to post on here.

Although I would LOVE to see the "proof" of the IQ of a rock. On Bill thread of course.

 

[shrap]

It just made me slow down on my buying and pay closer attention to how I do things.

So you are just now more selective on who you rip off and you use different methods?

Oh you mean you just prey on the trust and kindness of others to rip them off instead of just taking their animals. I get it.

 

[critical bill]

Ed can NOT delete anything on the BOI. Only the 3 Site Mods and Rich have that ability.

Thank you sir, it was my mistake. I found the post I was looking for.