Heavy parasite load found in ball python from Ed Clark

[Ken Harbart]

It's about time the playing field gets leveled, folks. Ed, Bruce, and Bud have conspired to inflate their own karmas by bumping each other's points. The wind needs to be let out of their sails.

 

[AncientDNA]

Ed does still seem to be busy around Fauna.
I see that he has hit at least one person with warning points today, while still not bothering to take some responsibility for his own dirty laundry.
Real nice...

 

[Wilomn]

Well, I don't see how you can claim something is an import versus CB just by a fecal months after getting it. Let's assume it did come from Ed (of which I have no reason to defend him or insult him - I could care less about Ed as an individual) with the parasites (it may or may not!), that only means he shipped out snakes with parasites. It doesn't prove they were or were not captive bred that got infected from imported animals due to improper quarantine.....or that they were or were not actually imports themselves. You claim to seek truth, but it seems your ideas are all it takes to define TRUTH in your posts.

As far as the parasites, if they were outwardly healthy when you go them, how should Ed have known they were carrying a sub-clinical load of parasites? If they weren't outwardly healthy when you got them, then YOU are lax for waiting so long to run a fecal. My opinion only.

If it was sub-clinical upon your receipt, then what allowed the level to increase to a point where it shows signs? Bad Luck? Possible! .....but normally that "bad luck" is partially due to improper husbandry (leading to a stressed animal that is more susceptible) or infrequent cleanings. In other words, if the animal WAS healthy when you got it (even if it had a LOW parasite load), are you completely at NO FAULT for the current condition? I wouldn't think so, but that in no way puts Ed at NO FAULT for shipping out an animal with a parasite load.

If he did, even if it was outwardly healthy, he shares some fault. If you would have checked it THEN, I'd say he was completely at fault. Now, I don't think you can prove to anyone by yourself that it is his fault. It might be. Prove it, though.

Me? ANYONE that sells imports/WCs and CB animals should be considered to have potentially infected animals regardless of source. It's the name of that game, and anyone with two eyes and a brain cell should realize this. Right or wrong, there are too many chances for accidents. Duh.

KJ

Let me do this once again because you either missed it before or didn't understand it when you read it.

Emily traded mr. clark for CATPIVE BORN AND BRED FUTURE HOLDBACK BREEDER FEMALES PRODUCED BY mr. clark FROM HIS OWN FEMALES.

Emily GOT snakes with stringyle, coccidia and tapeworms. NONE of her other snakes, snakes that she got from people OTHER than mr. clark, have even ONE of those three parasites.

ALL three of those parasites are VERY common in imported ball pythons. With the metabolism of a ball python, and you really have to have kept 100s over a long period of time to understand how it can take so long, I am NOT surprised that it took a year for her to notice that those three babies, the ONLY ones that came from mr. clark, were growing slowing and then only after seeing the tapeworm mass in one of the enclosures. She was also a newbie assured by an excellent salesman that she could not "find cleaner snakes anywhere," and she bought that tired line hook line and sinker and did not do fecals on her newly aquired snakes because she TRUSTED the word of the seller, mr. clark.

Had those three babies been YEARLING FUTURE HOLDBACK BREEDERS PRODUCED BY mr. clark FROM HIS OWN STOCK, HE would have noticed something wrong with them. HE has handled enough to know that yearlings that are healthy should be bigger than that. HE has also stated that he does random fecals on his breeders yet cannot produce any evidence of such tests.

I THINK he sent Emily IMPORTS simply to get the geckos he wanted. He sent her MAYBE 45.00 dollars worth of imported snakes for 700.00 dollars worth of CBB Crested Geckos.

He, mr. clark HIMSELF, stated that he was NOW unsure whether or not he sent her imports or the snakes HE COMMITED TO SENDING HER.

This isn't about where the parasites came from. While I am sure in my suppositions they are just that, suppositions. THIS is about mr. clark ROBBING Emily, lying to her and ALL of us and then running away like a busted 7 year old child, getting his friends and the Fat Farm and Jedi Institute for the Criminally Stupid to come to his defense.

HE ROBBED that woman.

He may well have ROBBED other unsuspecting customers.

HE CANNOT be trusted as has been shown MANY times.

HE's a coward, which has also been shown many times and he does NOT deserve the respect or protection of ANYONE.

It's not about WHO, though I am sure myself, the parasites came from, but WHY they are there at all.

 

[deborahbroadus]

It's about time the playing field gets leveled, folks. Ed, Bruce, and Bud have conspired to inflate their own karmas by bumping each other's points. The wind needs to be let out of their sails.

Excuse me, if you mean what I think you mean...what would hitting them with negative karma achieve even if we did it fast enough to over load them before they could hit those that hit them back with more negative karma? Would that even work?

Since apparently Ed is still a moderator, can't he see who hit him and then in retalitation hit them back? Where would it end?

Maybe he's not a mod...somewhere in this post...I got lost.

 

[Griz]

Why can't a supermod simply bring their accounts back to red and be done with it? Might be the easier answer.

Griz

 

[DThomas]

lol, I know it's just still very hypocritical to enforce such a strict rule for every post, otherwise get warned from someone who doesn't have the name anywhere. I would suppose he is the perfect example to look to when it comes to the site since he owns it and all. Thanks,

Anthony Allis
[email protected]

That's been discussed and beat to death many times in the past. Rich has explained it many times. If you look around you'll find it.

 

[Wilomn]

Why can't a supermod simply bring their accounts back to red and be done with it? Might be the easier answer.

Griz

That's what I've been hoping the implications over the last couple of days were in reference to.

mr. clark is too much the coward to post on this site anymore anyway. The only place he's safe is in the classifieds where he has learned to lock the ads he places to prevent the truth about him from being revealed.

 

[DThomas]

Why can't a supermod simply bring their accounts back to red and be done with it? Might be the easier answer.

Griz

We can't. That's an admin function.

 

[rabernet]

Looks like he is just hitting the registered users that can't see who left them karma.

This is true - more motivation to upgrade!

 

[XDeus]

Well, Eduardo just dinged me for this old post, and he didn't even bother leaving a comment.

Funny how I've only been dinged twice and they were both from Ed. At least it shows that he's actually reading the thread, but it's too bad that I can't persuade him to actually post IN the thread.

 

[Wilomn]

Well, Eduardo just dinged me for this old post, and he didn't even bother leaving a comment.

Funny how I've only been dinged twice and they were both from Ed. At least it shows that he's actually reading the thread, but it's too bad that I can't persuade him to actually post IN the thread.

Rich, Ken, Jay, and Dennis, THIS is blatant abuse of powers. Not only should the points mr. clark gave be rescinded, but his ability to give them at all should be removed.

 

[Wilomn]

Rich, Ken, Jay, and Dennis, THIS is blatant abuse of powers. Not only should the points mr. clark gave be rescinded, but his ability to give them at all should be removed.

My mistake, I thought he meant mr. clark had given him warning points, not negative karma.

Please disregaurd my comments, true though they are.

Pretty cowardly mr. clark, to back a whole week and not have the spine to say anything.

Buc Buc Buckawww mr. clark, buckawwww

 

[XDeus]

My mistake, I thought he meant mr. clark had given him warning points, not negative karma.

Please disregaurd my comments, true though they are.

Pretty cowardly mr. clark, to back a whole week and not have the spine to say anything.

Buc Buc Buckawww mr. clark, buckawwww

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Anyway, I don't mind the negative rep... I see it as a positive rep when it comes from someone like Ed.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Excuse me, if you mean what I think you mean...what would hitting them with negative karma achieve even if we did it fast enough to over load them before they could hit those that hit them back with more negative karma? Would that even work?

Since apparently Ed is still a moderator, can't he see who hit him and then in retalitation hit them back? Where would it end?

Maybe he's not a mod...somewhere in this post...I got lost.

It would work if there were enough folks that wanted to negate the little game that the three of them have been playing. After being dinged enough, their leaving karma, whether positive or negative, would have no effect. They would be unable to boost each other, and unable to bring anyone else down. In short, they would be right back at square one- where any karma they earn at that point would be a true reflection of their posts.

As an example of the karma abuse, I'll cite their profiles. Of the latest 40 posts to Ed's karma, 19 came from Bud & Bruce. Of the past 40 to Bud's, 27 came from Ed & Bruce. To a casual observer, Bruce would seem like the odd man out, since only ten of his last 40 came from Ed & Bud. However, Bruce has received far more karma overall, so it's to be expected that his are more interspersed.

 

[Wraith]

She was also a newbie assured by an excellent salesman that she could not "find cleaner snakes anywhere," and she bought that tired line hook line and sinker and did not do fecals on her newly aquired snakes because she TRUSTED the word of the seller, mr. clark.

For the sake of argument, should not someone setting up a potential breeding colony be smart enough from the outset to test any and all new animals entering their place regardless of where those animals came from or how trustworthy the seller is? A breeder should be smart enough to know that "clean" animals can become infected through their food source just as easily as from other contaminated snakes or enclosures. Just because an animal is clean one month doesn't mean it will be clean in the next month or three.

Had those three babies been YEARLING FUTURE HOLDBACK BREEDERS PRODUCED BY mr. clark FROM HIS OWN STOCK, HE would have noticed something wrong with them. HE has handled enough to know that yearlings that are healthy should be bigger than that. HE has also stated that he does random fecals on his breeders yet cannot produce any evidence of such tests.

And what proof would you require that would satisfy you? I personally do random fecal testing of my animals but I have no way to prove it to you. It's not like I can scan a copy of a veterinarian's invoice/bill.

 

[Serafim]

I am sure there are several members here who do not routinely have their animals examined by a vet. Does that mean they are not smart enough to be breeders.

 

[cookreptiles]

For the sake of argument, should not someone setting up a potential breeding colony be smart enough from the outset to test any and all new animals entering their place regardless of where those animals came from or how trustworthy the seller is? A breeder should be smart enough to know that "clean" animals can become infected through their food source just as easily as from other contaminated snakes or enclosures. Just because an animal is clean one month doesn't mean it will be clean in the next month or three.

Many, many people do not test their animals and that's a fact. However, YES, I should have tested these snakes the moment I received them and you better believe that each and every snake that enters my collection from here on out will be tested as soon as I can get a sample to the vet. This is a hobby for me and I'm learning as I go--learning through experience as most of us do.

And what proof would you require that would satisfy you? I personally do random fecal testing of my animals but I have no way to prove it to you. It's not like I can scan a copy of a veterinarian's invoice/bill.

Ed stated that he has a vet which performs fecals on his animals, thus, he would have records.

 

[Jim O]

Ed stated that he has a vet which performs fecals on his animals, thus, he would have records.

Which Ed Clark thus far has failed to produce.


Emily,

Have you obtained fecal samples for analysis on the other animals that Ed Clark sent you?

 

[cookreptiles]

Have you obtained fecal samples for analysis on the other animals that Ed Clark sent you?

Well, since we are back on topic for the moment yes.

I took another group of fecal samples in for testing yesterday, one of which was from one of the other females that came from Ed. That female tested positive for coccidia. The rest of the fecals were clear.

 

[Wilomn]

Adrian, Emily is learning NOW what to do in the future. We almost all learn by stubbing our toes as we move along our paths.

She stubbed hers on mr. clark and is now paying the price.

As for the rest, short of pictures of the snakes hatching and then pictures of them being sent to Emily, nothing that I know of will satisfy me that mr. clark did NOT send her imports.

He's BIG on pictures, REAL BIG. One would think that as smart as HE is, he would have pics of ALL, HA, the babies he produces. Unless of course he did NOT produce and therefore does NOT have pictures of the snakes hatching that he sent to Emily.

The guys a lying scumbag and does NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt. Emily is an honest newb who does.