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Help identifying morph?

Hmmmm...
That's a nice snake LOL

Man, I really wish I knew what that baby was... if it's male I'll breed it back to the female and see what happens.

The lemon pastel enchi male also sired another clutch with a yellowbelly that's due to cut soon so that might provide some answers too.
 
Yea, we were very happy to get him :p.

You should keep us updated on that second clutch, if there is yb there hopefully that will help to figure things out.
 
I just looked again, and his back is SO blushed out. It just seems weird that neither of the parents show that kind of blushing and he pops out with it. As far as I know, the 'fader' doesn't skip generations...
 
Oh, I mean the male that sired the question baby. The champagne doesn't look like she has yb in her, and if he's the one who has it, he's a real ugly one LOL

But yeah, question mark baby's blushing is crazy.
 
Spoke to Kevin since the male came from him and he said the snake is an enchi champagne fader. That would seem to imply fader isn't linked with pastel? The plot thickens XD
 
I never paid much attention to fader gene discussions - how did it come to be in this baby when neither parent seems to show it?
 
Slashmaster said:
Spoke to Kevin since the male came from him and he said the snake is an enchi champagne fader. That would seem to imply fader isn't linked with pastel? The plot thickens XD
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I definitely don't want to get into it with a big breeder, but I also know whenever I listen to Kevin talk about genetics in videos I sit there with my mouth open. Let me do a little more research, but if you search "fader ball python" images you'll only see stuff that looks like Suzumebachi (our pastel yb fader) and it will only be in snakes with the pastel gene. I'll try to find a thread where they discuss the 'fader gene', I remember reading about it quite a bit at one point.

If you look at google images for an enchi champagne, they do have that super washed out look...I don't think it has anything to do with a 'fader', it's just the morph combo.
 
Links to that site are blocked, so they won't work. (Don't go out of your way to beat the filter)
 
You can post links - just not to that site. (My statement about trying to beat the filters was because a lot of people go out of their way to do so, after realizing the links don't work)
 
Oh ok, I'm sorry. Good to know. I'm working on finding a better link anyway, that one was from a couple years ago. Thank you for the PM explaining.

Regardless of what I can dig up, it seems that NERD released the 'fader gene' around 2010 and claimed it was a dominant gene...then a year later stated it was a codom...but it has been at least 4 years and NO ONE has produced a fader snake that does not have pastel in it, let alone a single gene fader animal (which I think is the most telling). Their claim is that "it's not powerful enough to cut through certain morphs", which is a new phenomenon to me :p.

After they 'released' it, anyone who had a snake with any amount of blushing suddenly thought they had a fader. Anything with yb in it, anything with pastel in it...as you can see from the pics I posted though, if it is a fader pastel it is VERY noticeable, not some subtle thing. To claim that 'it can't show through certain morphs' but that it is it's own gene, even though it has never been isolated and only shows up in pastels, seems very irresponsible to me (and honestly pretty silly, but a lot of people don't like to admit they're wrong or ripped people off...although maybe I'm the one who is wrong haha).

I don't want to give the impression I've been around forever as I am fairly new to this, these observations are simply from reading numerous threads from multiple years worth of breeding and discussion. You can argue things all day, but all you have to do is look at the facts. To me it seems pretty obvious.
 
I remember seeing some that stuff - but didn't care enough to follow it.
As far as the pastel yellowbellies you posted - to me, your "fader" looks like a nicely blushed pastel yellowbelly...but not anything out of the ordinary for the combo, especially considering the variability of both pastels and YBs. I've seen many with a similar look that most certainly weren't from NERD lines.
 
hhmoore said:
I remember seeing some that stuff - but didn't care enough to follow it.
As far as the pastel yellowbellies you posted - to me, your "fader" looks like a nicely blushed pastel yellowbelly...but not anything out of the ordinary for the combo, especially considering the variability of both pastels and YBs. I've seen many with a similar look that most certainly weren't from NERD lines.
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That's exactly my point...the snake we bought was sold to us as a nice example of a pastel yb, but the seller stated that it was sold to him as a 'fader'. I had done enough reading to know the 'fader' is not a gene, so we purchased him knowing he was just a nice pyb.

I hadn't looked at it before, but my partner just found a really interesting example...if you look up the black pastel ghi 'fader' that NERD produced, it looks whitewashed and nothing like any other 'fader' gene. The funny part to me is that supposedly it can cut through black pastel and ghi, but not a normal? :rolleyes:
 
I guess the only way to find out if this particular result is reproducible would be to breed it. It's certainly a very nice snake and I hope its pretty genes reproduce well :)
 
Yes, I've looked at them a lot since planning the pairing. The little champagne baby looks more like the enchi champagnes I've seen before. Enchi champagnes in google search never have a very solid head marking - it looks more like a dirty champagne head airbrush, which is what's present in the champagne baby on the first page.

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This little guy from google, for instance, looks a lot more like my champagne baby than the mystery baby, which does make me think that there might /not/ be champagne in the mystery baby. But I can't know until I breed it XD

anyway, I'll be posting more pics when they shed so there's a better idea of their final colors ~
 
Whatever that is it is really cool. It looks to me almost like a super enchi something lol that head pattern screams super enchi to me. It doesn't appear to have pastel in it. Maybe mom is an enchi champagne? Idk either way i think there is some other gene at play could be fader i don't know much about that gene. One more thing which was already stated those babies look dehydrated.
 
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