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HELP!!! Sick Dying Beardies!!!

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I have a clutch of babies and over half have died!!!! the others are lathargic and occasionaly thrash... Their stomachs are bloated. The only thing they all have in common is the crickets. What do you think is happening? Could it be a parasite or somthing?







Ryan
 
The crickets are 1/4 inch and the dragon are kept on papertowels the basking point is around 100 degrees and they are misted once daily sometimes more often the get greens every morning and crickets in the afternoon everthing gets dusted with cal and they get vit. three four times a week.
 
Basking should be 105=110 (my personal preference), but I dont think thats the issue, It could be from something on the crickets? What do you feed the crix? Also I have never bought anything alive from lll reptiles and never will because of there reputation. How big and old are the dragons?
 
Okay, to me it sounds like a parasite or something. If they havent been eating then I am not sure. You should take them to a vet. I really do not think crix are the problem. Sorry if this is a stupid question but so you wash your greens?
 
Are you sure the crix are actually 1/4 inch ACTUAL size. The reason I ask is that it sounds like what happens when a baby eats too large a cricket. Any way to post a pic of the crix ?
 
Are the potatoes fresh, or do they have well developed eyes? Potatoes become toxic when they start to bud heavily, because the starch is being converted to other compounds to promote growth. Is it possible you're poisoning your crickets? I've purchased crickets from LLL Reptile in the past (granted, it was like, 2004) and I never had any issues besides shipments dying from cold weather.
 
I dispossed of all the crickets i was feeding. they were 1/8 to 1/4 actual size. They were not on potatos. I fed them cricket food.


Although on another subject... I have full grown crickets for my adult beardies and just put older potatos in with them... Should i dispose of these crickets???
 
It could be thats the idea behind gut loading so maybe in feed them the potatos it spreads to the dragons? when I used cix i did not use potatos as food so i do not know. If you just gave the older crickets potatos that are old I would remove them and give them other food
 
I do know that the vege's the crix are getting are nothing more than a water source for them, i just give the scrap greens and stalks from the salads i make for my dragons to the crix, and make sure they have a constant supply of cricket food.
the point is i don't bother with potatoes either, its simple to give the crix the leftovers while i'm at it...though i didnt know about the starch thing, thanks vanessa. just my 2 cents. i wish you all the best on the lil ones Ryan.
 
I think your babies are impacted. I had the same thing happen to me and it was right about the same size at 6.5". I just changed them over to 1/4" crickets, but for some reason they still couldnt handle that size. They also did everything your stating and I did lose some, but I also saved some. I soaked them probably 4 times or more a day until I got poop in the water. I also used Parazap which if you read also is some what of a laxative to help things along. I have also ordered crickets from lllreptile and I have never had a problem. The babies that survived are all doing very well and thriving. Dont give up hope.
 
For those of you who were interested in learning more about potato toxicity, here's a quote from wikipedia. Be careful when feeding anything old or green potatoes! Keep in mind that what is a safe dose for humans could be a fatal dose for an insect or reptiles eating those insects. It's all relative to body mass.

Wikipedia said:
Potatoes contain toxic compounds known as glycoalkaloids, of which the most prevalent are solanine and chaconine. Solanine is also found in other plants in the family Solanaceae, which includes such plants as the deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna), henbane (Hyoscyamus niger) and tobacco (Nicotiana) as well as the potato, eggplant, and tomato. This poison affects the nervous system, causing weakness and confusion.

These compounds, which protect the plant from its predators, are, in general, concentrated in its leaves, stems, sprouts, and fruits. Exposure to light, physical damage, and age increase glycoalkaloid content within the tuber; the highest concentrations occur just underneath the skin. Cooking at high temperatures (over 170 °C or 340 °F) partly destroys these. The concentration of glycoalkaloid in wild potatoes suffices to produce toxic effects in humans. Glycoalkaloids may cause headaches, diarrhea, cramps, and in severe cases coma and death; however, poisoning from potatoes occurs very rarely. Light exposure causes greening from chlorophyll synthesis, thus giving a visual clue as to areas of the tuber that may have become more toxic; however, this does not provide a definitive guide, as greening and glycoalkaloid accumulation can occur independently of each other. Some varieties of potato contain greater glycoalkaloid concentrations than others; breeders developing new varieties test for this, and sometimes have to discard an otherwise promising cultivar.

Breeders try to keep solanine levels below 200 mg/kg (200 ppmw). However, when these commercial varieties turn green, even they can approach concentrations of solanine of 1000 mg/kg (1000 ppmw). In normal potatoes, analysis has shown solanine levels may be as little as 3.5% of the breeders' maximum, with 7–187 mg/kg being found.

The U.S. National Toxicology Program suggests that the average American consumes at most 12.5 mg/day of solanine from potatoes (the toxic dose is actually several times this, depending on body weight). Dr. Douglas L. Holt, the State Extension Specialist for Food Safety at the University of Missouri, notes that no reported cases of potato-source solanine poisoning have occurred in the U.S. in the last 50 years, and most cases involved eating green potatoes or drinking potato-leaf tea.
 
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