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clarinet45
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Does anyone have some tips on feeding? Any pics of tanks or outside enclosures? thanks!
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clarinet45
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Here are some pics i took today:
meljonez
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Hi, well I have a baby gator also, I have a very large tank with rock so that he can get out of the water some plants so that he can hide and a piece of an old dry out wooden tree well I feed him crickets, gold fish, he enjoys the hunt, and also baby pinkies, thats it, if you have any more question maybe i can help you ttyl buh bye
Rattlesnake
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Why are you people keeping Alligators as pets? They are not pets, and it is cruel to the Alligator to keep them penned up in small containers, without the foresight that you are going to release them in the future? And by the way, releasing captive raised Alligators back into the wild is not good for the Alligator or the other Alligators they may interact with.
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clarinet45
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1. who says i keep it in a small tank? it's huge compared to what most animals get.
2. I don't treat it like a pet like i would my beardies. Because i know he will never be tame and i don't expect him to be.
3. who said anything about releasing a CB gator into the wild?
what animals do you keep? or are you one of those PETA freaks that don't believe any animal should be in captivity?
2. I don't treat it like a pet like i would my beardies. Because i know he will never be tame and i don't expect him to be.
3. who said anything about releasing a CB gator into the wild?
what animals do you keep? or are you one of those PETA freaks that don't believe any animal should be in captivity?
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Rattlesnake said:
I think this is a really misguided statement. Especially since the OP mentioned wanting outside enclosure pics as well.
I know sara and i know she dosnt think of this animal as a "domestic" pet by any means. I also know that she has plans to build an out of doors enclosure when her gator gets bigger as well.
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clarinet45
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oh, and for what it's worth, the reason gators are not endangered anymore is because gator farms were dictated to release a certain % into the wild. OMG, CB gators in the wild? HOW DO THEY LIVE!!!!!!
kmurphy
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Sara, you really shouldn't make statements like this when you have no way of backing them up. Commercial alligator farming did play a part in allgator recovery but it certainly isn't the only reason. To be honest I'm not sure if they released alligators or just provided skins for the leather trade thereby lowering the amount of poaching. Anyway alligators are pretty prolific so, with protection, they would have rebounded in any case.
A 1/2 ton 10 ft alligator is going to be a lot to handle. If you've made arrangements for when that happens then great. It seems unlikely though, given you're asking husbandry questions now, after you've already acquired the animal. Too many people don't think beyond the first few years, when the animal lives 50 or 60. I congratulate you if I'm wrong.
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clarinet45
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http://www.esri.com/news/arcuser/0102/alligator.html
"Each July, alligator eggs are gathered from wild nests across the Terrebonne Estuary in south-central Louisiana and brought to the DANECO farmstead. The eggs hatch in August. Within 18 months, the young alligators have grown to harvest size. By law, farmers must release 14 percent of these juvenile alligators back into the wild. Biologists believe that the number of alligators currently released exceeds the number of young alligators that would survive if they had been hatched in the wild."
there are other articles out there, this is the most recent i could find. Now the alligator is so prolific, they are allowing an alligator hunting season.
"Each July, alligator eggs are gathered from wild nests across the Terrebonne Estuary in south-central Louisiana and brought to the DANECO farmstead. The eggs hatch in August. Within 18 months, the young alligators have grown to harvest size. By law, farmers must release 14 percent of these juvenile alligators back into the wild. Biologists believe that the number of alligators currently released exceeds the number of young alligators that would survive if they had been hatched in the wild."
there are other articles out there, this is the most recent i could find. Now the alligator is so prolific, they are allowing an alligator hunting season.
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clarinet45
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TIPS on feeding, i know how much and what to feed him, i am using tongs now, but have been unsuccessful in getting him to take it from the tongs. I just have to lay it on his bricks and hope he eats it before it stinks :O
I have what i think is a great tank for him, but i am always interested in what others are doing. i know temps, UVB, etc.
kmurphy
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This is kind of off topic for your original post but I'll go with it.
In the article you referenced it stated that the alligator was listed as an endangered species in 1967 and declared recovered in 1987. Crediting alligator farming with this recovery doesn't jive with this quote taken from the Louisana Fur and Alligator Advisory council. By the way your article was also referencing a Louisana Farm.
As you can see according to the LFAAC they didn't start this program until just a year prior to delisting.
http://www.alligatorfur.com/alligator/alligator.htm
In the article you referenced it stated that the alligator was listed as an endangered species in 1967 and declared recovered in 1987. Crediting alligator farming with this recovery doesn't jive with this quote taken from the Louisana Fur and Alligator Advisory council. By the way your article was also referencing a Louisana Farm.
As you can see according to the LFAAC they didn't start this program until just a year prior to delisting.
http://www.alligatorfur.com/alligator/alligator.htm
E.Shell
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What I'm reading from this is that they are REMOVING ("collecting") these eggs from the wild and keeping 86% of the young. This 14% return rate would have to be compared to natural mortality rates up to that 3' to 5' length to really say anything, otherwise, it's still a negative flow.
rcpreis3
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Back on topic, Ive noticed alot of gators that have a certain taste for foul. so throw a baby chick in there and see what happens. toss it right in the water so it splashes and causes a commotion, hopefully inticing a feeding response. Good luck with ur gator and just to settle any controversy there are plenty around here. I dont see any problems with population size
onemoretoy
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better not get caught with a gator in louisiana. it is very illegal. unless you are issued tags by the state to hunt them
Nick & Chelsea
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Unlike a domestic cat or dog, Cb reptiles and amphibians do very well in the wild. Because they never truly domesticate, nor do they depend on us. Only to put food in the tank or cage they reside in. Their hunter instinct, never goes away. When you drop a food item into a cage for a reptile, they instantly go into their instinctive "Hunting Mode", as if they were in the wild and this item had naturally just crossed their path. If it weren't for the rules within specific states in regards to disease transference everyone would be able to simply release the animals they keep, so long as they are domestic species to begin with. All of my life I've been catching, raising, and releasing local species. Turtles, snakes, and whatever else interested me. Starting with either wild caught, or C.b. Snapping turtles, Box Turtles, Wood Turtles, and even Bog Turtles when I lived in the small patch of area in the states they inhabit. I suppose it depends on how you look at something. I look at what I do, as helping populations thrive.. When a baby turtle is born, they are in great danger of being eaten, by anything from a bird, to a fish, to even a BullFrog... If I happen to catch a Hatchling, I generally keep it 'til it's got about a 4" Carapace, and then release it back almost where I found it. At 4", aside from man, not much would bother to harass a typical turtle.
Though I do understand the laws of nature, "Only the strong survive" and all of that, which is fine out in wooded areas where there is no human population to start with. However, In the summer time, many times I drive down a road I see something that got squashed by a car. This doesn't apply in the rules of nature and isn't ever even considered in most surveys. Therefore, If I can repopulate areas 1 for 1, with the ratio for turtles being run over by cars, I feel like I'm just helping keep whatever the current population already is, in balance. So, marking what is probably my 30th year keeping local species and raising them to, or beyond the 4" Carapace, or in a case of the snakes, 3' if I can, I will continue to do this indefinitely.
Each one I release, is the replacement for something killed by man. Being that I don't keep and release them in very high numbers, and generally only a couple of or a few at a time, I can't imagine that I could be off-setting any kind of natural balance in the first place. If I am though, than it's in a positive way, not a negative one.
I live in New England. This past summer I caught 5 baby, and 6 fully grown adult Red Eared Sliders in local ponds... This is a problem, because they can adapt, and are an invasive species. This is something I do not condone to, and never will. But I hate being lectured by a friend I grew up with, whom works for the E.P.A. about how bad it is, when I feed a local Salamander, or frog, once in a while, to my locally caught snake or Turtle.
If you guys want to do the same thing I do with gators, go right ahead.. Just don't drop them in the sewers of New York City, and don't do it in high numbers and you release healthy ones into the wild who've been socialized with others of their kind if possible.... I know I'm going to get some arguments here about this, and it's not my intention. However, a few here or there doesn't seem like a big deal to help even some odds on mother natures behalf..
Though I do understand the laws of nature, "Only the strong survive" and all of that, which is fine out in wooded areas where there is no human population to start with. However, In the summer time, many times I drive down a road I see something that got squashed by a car. This doesn't apply in the rules of nature and isn't ever even considered in most surveys. Therefore, If I can repopulate areas 1 for 1, with the ratio for turtles being run over by cars, I feel like I'm just helping keep whatever the current population already is, in balance. So, marking what is probably my 30th year keeping local species and raising them to, or beyond the 4" Carapace, or in a case of the snakes, 3' if I can, I will continue to do this indefinitely.
Each one I release, is the replacement for something killed by man. Being that I don't keep and release them in very high numbers, and generally only a couple of or a few at a time, I can't imagine that I could be off-setting any kind of natural balance in the first place. If I am though, than it's in a positive way, not a negative one.
I live in New England. This past summer I caught 5 baby, and 6 fully grown adult Red Eared Sliders in local ponds... This is a problem, because they can adapt, and are an invasive species. This is something I do not condone to, and never will. But I hate being lectured by a friend I grew up with, whom works for the E.P.A. about how bad it is, when I feed a local Salamander, or frog, once in a while, to my locally caught snake or Turtle.
If you guys want to do the same thing I do with gators, go right ahead.. Just don't drop them in the sewers of New York City, and don't do it in high numbers and you release healthy ones into the wild who've been socialized with others of their kind if possible.... I know I'm going to get some arguments here about this, and it's not my intention. However, a few here or there doesn't seem like a big deal to help even some odds on mother natures behalf..