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I've got 2.2 Bulls to work with this year and I basically took them on loan because they look cool, all I was told was "they carry all four color morphs" I was just wondering what exactly those were and they genetics of them (co-dom, dominant, recessive). Pics attached. Thanks for the help!!!
 

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theres more then 4 color morphs 1, reg 2, red,3, white side 4, albino 5, axanthic 6, hypo 7, snow 8, lavander 9, patterless and a few i might of for got lol
 
So Ive kind of figured out that the female in the top picture is a red, and the male on the bottom is a white sided. Any idea what the male on the top (the yellow one) and the female on the bottom (the one that isnt grey) could be?
 
In the top picture, the brighter colored one with the head in the lower right of the shot looks to be Hybino or Hypo Albino. Both Hypo and Albino are visual which many refer to as Hybino, a dual visual. NICE!
 
I don't see red or patternless in any of that group.
The one hypo in the top picture shows reduced pattern compared to the others; but patternless is patternless, and it isn't. You could have 3 different hypos...the one in the top might have something else going on, but I can't identify it from that pic - it's sort of ghosty looking, but with more yellow overall than most ghosts (hypo whitesided) I've seen; the hypo-ish looking one in the bottom pic, :shrug01:.
The other one in the bottom pic is a whitedsided (dirty whitesided or salt n pepper)

There are two different types of hypo bullsnakes, and they are not compatible. I don't work with Stillwater's, and have pretty much ignored them entirely because they aren't compatible...so I can't say if any of those are, or are not, Stillwater hypos.
 
I think Harald is right. I believe he hit the nail on the head about 3 being hypos and the 4th one being a dirty whitesided.

Hypos can vary so much, from different bloodlines. You can get 3 or 4 hypo bulls together and they all have different shades of colors and patterns.

No Stillwater hypo bulls seen either.

So, IMO, you have 3 hypo bulls and one dirty whitesided.

Also, I must say, I am all for keeping snakes lean and having a healthy weight, but IMO, these bulls need to be a little heavier. They seem to be on the skinny side, and could use some larger meals.
 
Pythonbreeder99 said:
I was told was "they carry all four color morphs"
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Also just want to add that we were told they carry four main base colors, not morphs. I know of a good 22 types of bull snake morphs.

What I'm most curious about is can they carry traits for 4 different colors and not display them, but have them displayed in offspring if paired with another snake that carries the same traits.

And, are bulls polymorphic?

Also, I believe the bottom male to be a salt and pepper whitesided.
Here's a picture of salt and pepper. He looks almost identical (except for the sides) to our guy.
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I'm almost positive the two girls are hypos. As for the second, yellow male, he's still kind of a mystery to me.
 
Many of the bullsnake morphs are simple recessive, so they could "carry" those traits without displaying them....of course, depending on where they came from, I wouldn't necessarily believe that. I bought a male whitesided from a CT person that made a similar claim - bred him to multiple morphs over a period of years, and never got anything but whitesideds and hets from him.

As far as the "color" thing - again, it depends on who you are talking to. Morphs are just genetic anomolies of color and/or pattern...hypomelanism and albinism are considered color morphs, for example. A light colored bull is not automatically a hypo, either. Several years ago, I acquired a very pretty yellow male, that looked very much like a hypo...but, while he produced very nice, light colored babies, he did not produce hypos when bred to hypos.
 
GreenTreePython13 said:
I'm almost positive the two girls are hypos. As for the second, yellow male, he's still kind of a mystery to me.
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I think that male, if it is the one I am thinking of, is a hypo as well, a reduced pattern one. I have a female that I think looks somewhat similar, and she came from hypo bull breedings.
 

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Billy, they do look very similar.

These guys came from clutches with 4 phenotypes displayed in the offspring. Also, the guy we got them from said, "When I bred them the first time I got 4 different morphs each from 2 different pairs in the pop." I believe he was referring to the parents of these 4 guys because I know for a fact that the two girls have never produced.
 
GreenTreePython13 said:
Billy, they do look very similar.

These guys came from clutches with 4 phenotypes displayed in the offspring. Also, the guy we got them from said, "When I bred them the first time I got 4 different morphs each from 2 different pairs in the pop." I believe he was referring to the parents of these 4 guys because I know for a fact that the two girls have never produced.
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But did he get 4 actual different morphs or many different colors/shades of hypos along with a few actual morphs? In other words, did he clarify as to what actual morphs they were? You can have morphs and then different shades of colors, etc. within morphs.
 
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