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I have an 08 Cali King. I purchased it with the information that it had shed and was eating F/T pinkies well. Since purchasing on October 28th, it went into blue the next week and shed last week. However, i have still not gotten it to eat. I have offered both frozen and live without success. I am new back into herping after a long absence and have never had experience with an animal so young. Should I be concerned with this seeming lack of appetite? If so, what should I do to remedy the problem?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Hi Chad -

You could try split braining a pinky and leaving it with it overnight.

You could try putting the snake in a small (i.e. delicup with airholes) container and putting a pink in with it.

I don't know if scenting works with Cali kings, maybe someone else could answer that? :shrug01:

I'm going through the same thing with some gray band babies that were supposed to be eating... Good luck. I would definitely get in touch with the seller and see what they say about the last time it ate.

Bill
 
What size tank do you have it in? Are you offering the food in the tank? If so, try feeding in something more confined. Even a brown paper bag has worked for me in the past. Good luck with it.
 
I have one 07 California king which I received on May 19 '08 from my cat Xeno. This little snake was bitten on her neck with four puncture wounds. I put her in a quart plastic jar with holes in the lid, and paper towels, and put her in a warm place to survive the night, or not. Happily the next morning she was still alive, full of spunk, rattling her tail at me and in general trying to look fearsome. I fed her a small alligator lizard the next day in a 10 gallon aquarium I had on hand. I scrambled around on the Internet to find out how to take care of king snakes. She got the UTH, thermostat, thermometer, aspen, water bowl, moss hide, ect, and settled into being my pet, becoming relaxed with me.
On May 30th she went into blue and shed June 3rd. On June 5th she ate her first ft pinkie, after a few failed attempts with this unusual for her food item. She eats for me quite regularly, except for a period this summer when the summer heat made her estivate for a few weeks. The odd thing about her eating habits is she will eat the occasional alligator lizard or skink I steal from the cats for her in her tank, but she will not eat pinkies in her tank, she must have those in her special feeding jar with a towel over it, and with the whole affair setting on top of the reptile shelves in a dark corner for a few hours. I recently put a live pinkie in her tank and when she smelled it, the flick of her tongue made the pinkie wave its feet in the air, and this action made her retreat! She would not eat the live pinkie in the feeding jar, either. I gave her a ft pinkie instead, in her jar, and she ate it. She is a shy feeder; I have never seen her actually in the act of eating!
I recount this little story to share my experience with feeding this odd little character. My six 08 pyros eat both live and ft in their tanks. But not my Cali. She will only eat fts and only in her jar. (Unless the cats provide a lizard treat!)
Since you just got your new baby October 28th, it may still be adjusting to it's new home. I'd try consistently once a week to feed it, during the rest of the time leave it be with a nice hide and fresh water. When you do feed it, give it as much privacy as possible. Snakes find their meals under things and in crevices; you could try putting the meal under the snake's hide, or just at the edge, so it can get it without feeling exposed.
 
Everyone,
Thank you very much for all of your help! Let me give you some more info to answer some of the questions above.

- I have it in a 10 gal. tank with the finely shredded aspen for substrate.
- I have attempted feeding F/T pinkies, live pinkies, F/T split pinkies, F/T pinkie parts. All of these have been rejected.
- I have attempted feeding 1st in a small plastic container (what I usually feed my other snake in), 2nd a glass jar, 3rd a larger plastic container, 4th the tank itself. All of these have resulted in failure.
- The tank has a UTH in one side and the thermometer shows consistently between 70-75 deg F. However, the little guy persists in hiding under the water dish on the opposite (colder) side of the tank.
- The tank also has a half log to hide under as well as a medium sized mossy rock for any basking.

I am currently at a loss. The went through shed very well, shedding in one complete piece. It does not appear to be losing mass, but it has grown very inactive, staying under the water dish nearly all of the time. Could someone explain "cool down" to me and are kings affected by it? When I get it out, it is snappy at first but quickly calms and can be handled easily, but seems cool to the touch.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Just want to make sure that I am doing everything that I need to.

Thanks again!
Chad
 
It seems your little snake wants to brumate. Not eating and seeking out the coolest place in the tank may be his attempt to do what he would do in the wild. You could try giving him brumation temperatures between 45 and 55 degrees Fahrenheit (put a thermometer probe where he likes to hang out by his water dish and see what this temperature is; it may be a clue as to what he is wanting to do) and leave him be for a couple months. He will use up less fat at lower temperatures, as his metabolism will be slower. When he comes out of brumation, which is a gradual process by raising the ambient temperatures to spring like temperatures, he should have a good appetite. If he is not feeding but is kept too warm over winter his metabolism will be too high and he will lose weight. Make sure he always has plenty of fresh water.
 
I meant to ad, you can also try feeding him a small anole lizard or fence lizard, or skink, whatever small reptile you can obtain. One of my pyros went off ft's, which he had been eating, and didn't eat for almost 6 weeks, until I fed him a lizard in a delicup.
 
Bob, thank you very much! I will try these suggestions.

BTW, do you know of a good comprehensive book on keeping kings (or similar colubrids) that covers things like brumation?

Thanks again!
Chad
 
Bob, thank you very much! I will try these suggestions.

BTW, do you know of a good comprehensive book on keeping kings (or similar colubrids) that covers things like brumation?

Thanks again!
Chad
http://www.kingsnake.com/colubrid/
http://www.reptileallsorts.com/colubrid-cs.htm
Just a couple of links found by Googling brumation colubrid.
I may have got the temperature of 45 degrees Fahrenheit too low; the more common opinion is between 55 and 65 degrees.
I don't off hand know the titles of any books, but if you Google the subject I am sure you will strike paydirt.
 
Another tidbit gleaned off the Internet:

Minimum brumation age is two months and at least four meals. The food gives the babies the reserves needed to get through brumation. That has worked for California king snake babies, and they came through fine.
 
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