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Herp help ...Petition

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This is an absolute must read! and once you have read it please spread it around to all the forums and what not u can to help this guy out!
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Dear Group
I am sorry for cross posting this over various mailing lists, forums and bothering you with off topic threads.
The below text is a description of the legislation around herptiles in Norway and the implications of getting caught with illegal animals.

As You may know, herptiles are illegal to keep, breed, import and export in Norway.
Norway is 1 out of 2-3 countries in the world where herptiles are illegal. For what reasons?
In Hawaii herptiles are illegal (as far as I understand) because animals who escape from private collections are likely to reproduce and may cause a potential threat to native flora and fauna. This is in my opinion a reasonable reason for banning herptiles in Hawaii.

In Norway the situation is totally different, here the winter is long, cold and there are extremely few herptile species that can survive the harsh climatic condition of the Norway.
Why reptiles are illegal in my country? Your guess is as good as mine, probably due to prejudice against herptiles from the part of politicians uneducated on the matter.

Animals confiscated by the Norwegian government are put to death (perhaps with very rare exceptions in the cases of extremely rare and endangered species).

Thursday the police came knocking on my door and all my animals are now considered confiscated. My house is sealed off with police tape and no one is allowed to go into it.
On Monday the police will return to my house with the district veterinary to confiscate my animals. At a near point in the future my animals will most likely be put to death and there is little I can do about it except hiring a lawyer and hoping for a miracle.

This is not a call for help for my part, but on behalf of herptiles and herpetoculturists in my country.
I have started a roll call and hope to gather as many signatures as possible as a peaceful protest protest against the Norwegian government's persecution of herpetoculturists in Norway.
I believe that the legislation in my country is wrong and that all herptile species are not unjustifiable to keep as captives.
The Norwegian herpetological association has struggled for 12 years to lift the ban on herpetoculture in my country without success so far. We can’t seem to put enough pressure on our government to make things happen.
The roll call I have initiated is also a protest and sharp criticism against animals being confiscated and put to death as a consequence of the Norwegian legislation.

If you agree that governments shouldn’t be so restrictive as to bann all herpetoculture within a country, please take the time to visit the below link and sign the roll call.
...http://www.opprop.no/opprop.php?id=befrireptiler

Please feel free to pass this post onto other relevant mailinglists and forums so that as as many people as possible may sign this role call if they wish.

Again I am sorry to occupy your time with this kind of inquiery, have a nice day.
Best regards
Vålen Gånev (obeligz)
Committee member of the Norwegian Herpetological Association
e-mail/msn: [email protected]
 
reptiles

yes ..what do you think...spelling ...herptiles=reptiles
I copied this from another forum for my friend
 
petition

My friend doesn't speak English well, so therefore his spelling of English might suffer...but as you imply, his spelling is so so much more important than his situation..don't sign the thing ...he is a foreigner anyways.
 
Herptiles is a perfectly correct use of the word and refers not only to reptiles but amphibians as well.
 
Come On Have A Heart

hey i say we should all sign this petition. how long do u think it will take until this hits your state or country. i live in new york and already they have banned certain herps. if you care about your reptiles sign the petition and show support. how would u feel if someone took your animals and killed them? now put yourself in his position and try to invision the pain and suffering he must be going through. come on have a heart and share your love for herps by trying to do something about this matter. i know i would kill if someone tried to take my animals, would you?
by the way the link refers me to a site which is unaccessible. it reports the sire as an error
 
puertorab said:
it reports the sire as an error
site*
please include a working link so i can be part of this big move.
 
Please post the statute in question, that prohibits reptiles. I do not think many people will sign unless they see some specifics here; the reptiles involved, whether the statute involves possession only, whether it targets the private or the commercial owner; whether possession may be allowed by permit; please cut and paste the statute in here so that we may get a better idea of what is going on.
 
chas*e said:
My friend doesn't speak English well, so therefore his spelling of English might suffer...but as you imply, his spelling is so so much more important than his situation..don't sign the thing ...he is a foreigner anyways.

That doesn't sound very pleasant. It might be helpfull if you post what country this petition involves.

NOTE: I looked the word "Herptiles" up in the dictionary. It doesn't exist.
 
Stop nitpicking and help the guy out....

blckkat said:
That doesn't sound very pleasant. It might be helpfull if you post what country this petition involves.

NOTE: I looked the word "Herptiles" up in the dictionary. It doesn't exist.

He stated this is happening in NORWAY.

Herpetiles is a commonly used word...herps..herpetologist..etc.

Below is a list of the last 100 or so signers of the petition, I hope to see a lot more forum member names on there!!!!

18:28 14.02 2005: nicholas bonn, USA <mrnickbonn@***.com>
23:46 10.02 2005: Schwarze, germany <office@***.de>
23:17 10.02 2005: Emmanuelle Arseneau, Canada <ophelia_merenza@***.com>
22:13 10.02 2005: Dan Ranayhossaini, Pennsylvania, USA <tandy4000@***.com>
21:02 10.02 2005: Ritchie Rocket, Michigan <jsrocket@***.com>
19:53 10.02 2005: Andrew torriero, Florida, United States <urbabygrld@***.com>
19:51 10.02 2005: Jeff Hunt, FL <vansdude239@***.com>
19:49 10.02 2005: Brandon Wehby, wellington FL <mysnissopunkrock@***.com>
19:48 10.02 2005: Greg Bee, FL <greg2b@***.com>
19:45 10.02 2005: Jessica Villa, Florida, United States <FreakOfNature660@***.com>
16:00 10.02 2005: James Meador <critterswild@yahoo....>
15:57 10.02 2005: Justin Osborne, Toronto, Canada <The_gatekeeper_@***.com>
06:52 10.02 2005: steve pelletier, ottawa Canada <bashring@***.com>
05:48 10.02 2005: Tim Cranwill, [email protected] <Winnipeg, Canada>
05:44 10.02 2005: Tony Platt, Calgary, Canada <tonyjplatt@***.ca>
05:43 10.02 2005: Jamie Adkins, Ontario,Canada <Jadkins2451@***.com>
05:40 10.02 2005: kris kalavesis, CANADA <wickked_mojo@***.com>
05:25 10.02 2005: charles edwards(ontario,canada), ontario canada <charlie1per@***.com>
04:57 10.02 2005: Rory Duggan, Canada <RDexotics@***.com>
04:44 10.02 2005: daniel eastman, oshawa,canada <eastdc@***.com>
01:45 10.02 2005: Amelia McRae, Washington,USA <amelia.mcrae@***.net>
00:37 28.01 2005: Ronny Levin, Sverige <philodryas@***.se>
22:18 27.01 2005: Stig Vollstad, Ålesund <ghost.love.score@***.com>
23:02 23.01 2005: Van Heygen Guy, Belgium 2860 <guy@***.com>
01:08 08.01 2005: Frode Helland Johansen, Arendal <frodejo@***.no>
20:19 06.01 2005: renee Head, Toronto, Canada <reneehead@***.com>
20:35 05.01 2005: Siw Lien, Hareid <sixxel@***.com>
18:45 05.01 2005: siri wingsternes, hareid <siriwing@***.com>
20:57 23.12 2004: harald, Trondheim <harald_gard@***.com>
14:47 15.12 2004: Elin Bakås, Oslo <bakas@***.no>
21:41 28.11 2004: göta, gbg <göta1@***.se>
21:31 28.11 2004: mokke, piteå <erik8929@***.com>
21:27 28.11 2004: joakim mackonen, sweden <jockemackonnen@***.com>
02:25 27.11 2004: Bryan, 11/26/2004 <sidekick180@***.com>
15:46 26.11 2004: Chris Brierley, UK <chrisbrierley@***.com>
03:21 23.11 2004: [email protected] <don't speek ger...>
11:15 20.11 2004: steven kirby, Sheffield UK <stevenkirby@***.uk>
16:59 19.11 2004: susane, trollhättan <teamtrans_91@***.COM>
16:58 19.11 2004: jimmie, trollhättan <ornatus_@***.com>
15:47 18.11 2004: Anders Utnes, Vågsøy <the_dragon_of_chaos@***.com>
16:51 30.10 2004: iris Carina, Narvik <iiriiscarina@***.com>
20:15 25.10 2004: Cristina <allexa_rous@yahoo....>
01:06 25.10 2004: E. Lunz, US <edl_interactive@***.com>
18:47 24.10 2004: Trond Grødeland, bryne <Excoon@***.no>
19:17 02.10 2004: anne marie bakken naustvik, stavanger <anne_marie_naustvik@***.com>
17:36 02.10 2004: Vinnjar Bruknapp, Oslo <knappen79@***.com>
15:23 02.10 2004: Johan Embréus, Sverige <rrd_rumpnisse@***.com>
05:47 26.09 2004: Greg Eyford <nightsong_8@hotmail....>
02:18 24.09 2004: RANDY E BECKER, ILION NY <TRBECKER4@***.COM>
08:43 22.09 2004: Kieran Lozano, United States <thelozanos@***.com>
23:47 21.09 2004: Tobias Olsson, Strömstad, Sweden <lorge@***.com>
21:07 21.09 2004: Skeets fish <...>
09:51 21.09 2004: Thomas Andersen, Denmark <hellmaster@***.net>
08:04 18.09 2004: Dorothy Norris, USA <ravenstardust@***.com>
20:15 11.09 2004: Jesse Mount, USA <Jessesreptiles@***.com>
21:32 10.09 2004: samantha word, u.s.a <sweetnsour15s@***.com>
23:51 08.09 2004: Simon Sharp, Cambridge, England <simonsharp43@***.com>
22:26 30.08 2004: Tiia Koskinen, Finland <tiia-koskinen@***.fi>
05:23 30.08 2004: Emily Booth, United States <twilightml@***.com>
16:52 25.08 2004: Lasse Fjellestad, Bærum <team_andresen@***.com>
21:00 18.08 2004: nei til slik dyremishandling, nei til reptiler som kjæledyr <nei nei @***.nei>
11:32 14.08 2004: Frederick Briggs, United States <neimasadun@***.com>
18:56 08.08 2004: janta Micropenda, Sarpsborg <Janta@***.com>
15:24 08.08 2004: Adrian Reppe, Trondheim <adrianreppe345@***.com>
17:57 04.08 2004: Mike States, Maine,USA <dragoiguana@***.net>
05:30 04.08 2004: Katherine Kwok, Vancouver, BC Canada <kkwok_2001@***.com>
22:29 03.08 2004: wim reptimorph.heying, Eindhoven ,Holland <crimson_76@***.com>
22:32 02.08 2004: marie tangen, moss <mtangen@***.com>
07:27 02.08 2004: yvette morning, Baltimore <sleepy319@***.com>
07:25 02.08 2004: diane morning, Maryland <SLPY319@***.com>
19:10 27.07 2004: Carolyn (Carrie) Cuba, Pennsylvania, USA <cmc710@***.com>
03:35 27.07 2004: Brittania Decatur, United States <ilostmytoastie@***.com>
03:29 27.07 2004: Niki C, USA <nikic78@***.com>
03:34 20.07 2004: jesse dawson, canada <haggard_101@***.com>
03:29 20.07 2004: jesse messingsett, oslo <chong188@***.com>
02:42 20.07 2004: Melissa Lake, United States <mlake@***.edu>
13:23 18.07 2004: Ian Turbott, USA <iturbo@***.net>
05:24 08.07 2004: Nina Croudace <ninasiggy"hotmail....>
21:55 06.07 2004: Håkon Karlsen, Drammen <haakky@***.com>
11:59 01.07 2004: paco Jones, España <pcjns@***.com>
13:19 20.06 2004: Victor Salinas Gervilla, España <mojinoescozio1@***.com>
13:12 20.06 2004: Juan Gil-->SKA, España <ska_tigurius@***.com>
00:48 19.06 2004: Alexander, Stassi <Exxman@***.de>
22:24 18.06 2004: Nadine Babin Sperry, Canada <mercredi_a@***.ca>
20:57 18.06 2004: michael schwarz, germany berlin <tweeberlin@***.com>
18:56 18.06 2004: nicole swierkot <sonostato2003@yahoo...>
16:04 18.06 2004: Agaman, Oslo <agaman@***.com>
22:05 17.06 2004: debby spiteri, United Kingdom <debby_2604@***.uk>
21:45 16.06 2004: Ricardo, suarez navarro <ricardo2436@***.com>
21:44 16.06 2004: Pablo, Ramirez Rodriguez <pablo69x2@***.com>
19:47 15.06 2004: Raymond Søberg, Bærum <raymondsoeberg@***.com>
19:47 15.06 2004: Lene Belgum, Bærum <Gompedigomp@***.com>
19:31 14.06 2004: Igor Mitrovic <igor1990@earthlink....>
17:36 13.06 2004: Lisa, Uffenheim <me_nemo@***.de>
16:55 12.06 2004: Jane Mager, USA <changeling@***.com>
03:13 12.06 2004: Per M, norge <arachna@***.no>
23:16 10.06 2004: Gordon Young, United Kingdom <gordy@***.uk>
22:32 09.06 2004: Elin, Ålesund <misselin87@***.no>
11:34 09.06 2004: Captain Howdy, Norway <satan@***.com>
19:58 08.06 2004: Mats Hines, Akershus,Oslo;N <mrhines@***.no>
 
read through the signatures..

If you read through the signatures you will see its a real whos who in the reptiles world all over the globe, I am glad to have my name u there with some of those guys....
 
Herpetology...Herpetologist...are all words that exist. I have never heard the word "Herptiles," nor is it in the dictionary. If a petition is to be written, I just think it should be in the most professional manner so that it can be taken seriously. I am sorry that you do not agree.

I must have buzzed through the petition (the inappropriate word sent a red flag up to me), I did not see that it states Norway. You are right in that. I am sorry I missed that.
 
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