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Herpetological Breeder Research?

Feel free to contact any of the numerous well respected people in Florida that have known of him and have seen his facility.
Granted there is always the "Honor Among Thieves" credo many adhere to in this hobby so getting someone to drop a dime on Ole Ray might be kinda tuff.

Reptile retailers are a dime a dozen in that area,I wasn't informed until after I had already got snagged up with this clown.

What still surprises me is the limited public info on business's like Ray runs ?? :eek:

Hopefully this thread will further the cause.\

Tom Sargent
 
AAAAAHHHHH!!!

This man is driving me nuts with his games.....I have been sending almost daily emails to him, telling him I want a refund, which he ignores...Well, I guess in a stroke of genius he came up with the brilliant idea of telling me that a pair of kingsnakes were shipped to me last week (I think he meant last week--never mind the fact that I told him I didn't want any of his animals and that I wanted a refund...) so that he doesn't have to give me a refund.

The only saving grace he may have is a tracking #, confirming there was some sort of delivery to my house......BTW, I live in a very small town and all the overnight delivery guys KNOW me personally and are always interested in the animals we are getting, etc so I KNOW they didn't make a mistake...As a matter of fact, they usually hang around just to see what's in the box!!

If he's lying (gee, I wonder), he's really screwed himself into a corner, because he won't be able to prove there was a delivery...I think he's more interested in covering his butt legally, because I mentioned that I have family in FL and that would be the time when I could show up and take him to small claims court....To which I will add the charges of the travel, emotional distress, etc....OK, the emotional distress is a little overboard, but still.... :rolleyes:

Email received this morning:

Did you not get the shipment I sent you or my e-mails? I did as I said I was going to do. by the way the pet store chain and one of my exporters did what they did long before we had any problems with your order. Part of the reason I was unable to get the legless to you was the exporter that I purchase those from was the one who screwed me out of the order.(Then he needs to make it right...And BTW, it wasn't very long after I ordered, that I heard from Ray that he was going to court and that's why he didn't have the time to get my order out and that the shipment simply had not come in--If he already KNEW that this provider of animals was screwing him over and he couldn't get the animals, then why wouldn't he just refund my money or send me the snakes?? Also...How do you get a court date so fast, against the animal provider that was supposed to supply the legless lizards?) I am making every effort to correct the situation and I assure you you will loose nothing but, time in this matter. I will square up with you asap.(I'm confused...If he sent me a shipment of animals, isn't he already "squared up" w/me? I mean the cost of the legless lizards was less than what the pair of supposedly already shipped pair of kingsnakes would cost,....) Thanks for your patience (This is where I get just a little catty--WHAT patience??? I have none!!! This guy has screwed me so much, he already knows exactly how I like it.....) Please confirm that you did get the kingsnakes. I also sent you the larger pair at no extra cost.
 
Let me get this straight, you asked for legless lizards and you were sent a pair of kingsnakes instead?
 
John E Dove said:
So he is saying that he shipped something but you received nothing?
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Yes, he is saying he sent me a pair of black kingsnakes, which I never received. I have asked him for a tracking number...........
 
greenfiremajick said:
Yes, he is saying he sent me a pair of black kingsnakes, which I never received. I have asked him for a tracking number...........
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Did you ask for those kingsnakes or are they just a "present" while you wait for your original order to show up?
 
The BoidSmith said:
Let me get this straight, you asked for legless lizards and you were sent a pair of kingsnakes instead?
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When I ordered the group of legless lizards, I saw another ad on his site that said he had a pair of black kingsnakes as well...I sent him an email, a few days after ordering the lizards, asking if I could also order them and have them sent in the same shipment...He said yes, he had and could send them...After all the excuses, etc of not receiving the lizards I told him he could simply send me the kingsnakes and I would pay the extra 25 or 50 dollars it would cost for the kingsnakes and their shipping...He continued giving me excuses...It still continued to drag out (with him giving me the excuses of how it would take just a little longer to get the lizards) and I told him to either give me the kingsnakes or give me a refund--to which he again agreed was a good resolution to the problem...After continuing to be given excuses and told me at least 3 different times, that he would ship out the animals, I told him I no longer trusted him, or his animals and that I wanted a refund....I then began to send him emails on an almost daily basis, that I wanted a refund....Three times (at a minimum), he sent me emails, (blatantly ignoring my request for a refund) telling me he was sending out animals...Now, the latest email says he sent the animals, which is the email I provided in my last post....I think he is heading towards the excuse that he hasn't gotten my emails...He tried to say previously, that he wasn't getting my voicemails....
 
Mr. Garcia,
Here is the time line surrounding the Kings and the refund request.

04-30-2008, 07:02 PM Post #5
greenfiremajick said:
He called me yesterday and stated that he was out of town and had been having trouble with his phone. He also stated that he was sorry about the import shipment not coming in and that he was willing to send the lizards, the black kingsnakes, or a refund. I called back and got voicemail again. I left him a message that if on Mon., he was unable to ship the sheltopusik's, then I would just prefer to have the 1.1 mex black kingsnakes. If he does not ship any animals on Mon. (5/5), then I will ask for a refund with no further back and forth business.

I'm just really upset over this lack of communication. It wasn't until after I made my order with him, that I read the posts on here about the lack of comm., and the long time in receiving animals! He seems like a great guy and all, I just want my animals! :rolleyes:
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greenfiremajick said:
It's amazing how fast Ray gets back to you, when you're calling about wanting to purchase an animal, or wanting a refund (same day service--within a few hours). But if you're calling and asking for your animals that have already been paid for, to be shipped, you're ignored....

So I have sent several emails, stating what I want done in regards to this long drawn out, tortuous, ridiculous transaction.......This is finally the reply I received this morning, which also includes my reply.....Mind you, LAST Mon. (4/28), I said I wanted my animals shipped or a refund...He got back w/me and gave me the reasons why he couldn't (which isn't my place to tell), so I explicitly said I would wait until THIS Mon., and then I get ANOTHER excuse and brushoff...

RAY!! Just give me my money back!!!! Dang-It's only aprox $230, but it's the principle of the matter, ya know?? I am offended that apparently, you'll take my money, but not give me the respect and time needed to treat me like a valued customer.



(Sent today at 11:00 AM my time-I also sent an email over the weekend, stating the same thing)...

If my animals are not shipped today, I would like a refund.

Thank You,

Traci Borgmeyer
928-337-2799

Reply received this morning...
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:06 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Ray will be back in On Tuesday or wed. He said he will get a refund to you or ship the animals as soon as he gets back in.
Reply sent back to HBR this morning (5/5)
If my animals are not being shipped TODAY, I want a refund TODAY. There is no reason why I should wait from the 18th of Apr, for animals that were supposed to be in and shipped within a couple of days...
No matter whether or not the imports were delayed, etc., the animals I was willing to substitute for were available (1.1 black kingsnakes as stated by Ray) and could have been shipped immediately. I need a refund TODAY. I have been very patient and I think it's time for me to be treated as a valued paying customer.

Thank You,

Traci Borgmeyer
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greenfiremajick said:
When I ordered the group of legless lizards, I saw another ad on his site that said he had a pair of black kingsnakes as well...I sent him an email, a few days after ordering the lizards, asking if I could also order them and have them sent in the same shipment...He said yes, he had and could send them...After all the excuses, etc of not receiving the lizards I told him he could simply send me the kingsnakes and I would pay the extra 25 or 50 dollars it would cost for the kingsnakes and their shipping...He continued giving me excuses...It still continued to drag out (with him giving me the excuses of how it would take just a little longer to get the lizards) and I told him to either give me the kingsnakes or give me a refund--to which he again agreed was a good resolution to the problem...After continuing to be given excuses and told me at least 3 different times, that he would ship out the animals, I told him I no longer trusted him, or his animals and that I wanted a refund....I then began to send him emails on an almost daily basis, that I wanted a refund....Three times (at a minimum), he sent me emails, (blatantly ignoring my request for a refund) telling me he was sending out animals...Now, the latest email says he sent the animals, which is the email I provided in my last post....I think he is heading towards the excuse that he hasn't gotten my emails...He tried to say previously, that he wasn't getting my voicemails....
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To be more clear--He informed me that yes, he already had the pair of black kingsnakes in stock and that he would send them, with the lizards....

At the very least, he could have sent the kingsnakes when it began to drag out about the lizards...

Is it possible there was a delivery to another house on my street? Maybe...We'll see if I get a tracking # and the delivery info....

I know, that if I had a customer that was constantly emailing and asking for their animals or a refund I would have either immediately given the refund, OR I would have made damn sure to ship carefully and inform them of the exact day the animals were sent and provided them a tracking #. IMMEDIATELY. I would further informed the customer to be waiting for the animals...Finally, I would have made sure the delivery was "signature only."
 
greenfiremajick said:
I know, that if I had a customer that was constantly emailing and asking for their animals or a refund I would have either immediately given the refund, OR I would have made damn sure to ship carefully and inform them of the exact day the animals were sent and provided them a tracking #. IMMEDIATELY. I would further informed the customer to be waiting for the animals...Finally, I would have made sure the delivery was "signature only."
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Absolutely Traci. He is probably waiting for a back order on those lizards to avoid paying for two shipments. One way or the other you made it clear that if he couldn't deliver in time you wanted a refund.

Not so long they had a website, is it still up and running?
 
Chameleon Company said:
Are you not still well within the time frame to file a PayPal dispute? If so, and yet you choose to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, sympathy may be hard to come by. When you give someone a "ship or refund" date, me thinks you need to stick by your own ultimatum. Good luck.
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Paypal doesn't/won't handle disputes over animals....
 
Metachrosis said:
He will not take "return" animals nor give refunds.Its in his disclaimer. Yes, but he did send me an email sev times, telling me I would get my animals or a refund....
He is pretty well known as a dirt bag in his region(Fla.)
Long standing member I might add.
Funny how there isnt more on his shady ways ?

S**t on Him ! :rofl: DEFINTELY
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What a waste he is....
 
The BoidSmith said:
Absolutely Traci. He is probably waiting for a back order on those lizards to avoid paying for two shipments. One way or the other you made it clear that if he couldn't deliver in time you wanted a refund.

Not so long they had a website, is it still up and running?
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Yes, they do still have a site up....Actually, I just went to it and it is no longer up...It was www.herpetologicalbreedingresearch.com

That's how I came to ask him about the black kingsnakes...They were on there and he said that yes, he had them in stock....
 
"Not so long they had a website, is it still up and running?"

Within the past 4 or 5 days, his site was still up and now it's gone...I wonder if he's going out of business and taking as much money as he can on the way out? I sure hope that isn't the case.....
 
The BoidSmith said:
Mmmmhhh??? That doesn't sound encouraging... :(
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Yeah, I know.....I'm just glad I didn't send them anymore money than I did! Oh well, it will come back to him.....
 
That sounds exactly like the POS He has always been :shootfoot
He will reopen under another name in a few months and eventually crater that business name like he has done this one.

GOOD RIDDANCE RAY !

Tom Sargent


greenfiremajick said:
"Not so long they had a website, is it still up and running?"

Within the past 4 or 5 days, his site was still up and now it's gone...I wonder if he's going out of business and taking as much money as he can on the way out? I sure hope that isn't the case.....
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I doubt he will re-open under a new name in a few months.
He's had that name, for what? about 10 years?
Ray has been an importer for many years, has all the contacts and I bet he makes good on Traci's deal.
However, I am NOT surprised he hasn't responded on the BOI.

Randal Berry
 
lanceheads said:
I doubt he will re-open under a new name in a few months.
He's had that name, for what? about 10 years?
Ray has been an importer for many years, has all the contacts and I bet he makes good on Traci's deal.
However, I am NOT surprised he hasn't responded on the BOI.

Randal Berry
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I sure hope you're right!
 
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