Herps Etc Question

[Suncoast Herpetological]

Jonh, The snakes where $2000. If i spend $2000 for two snakes from you and they never feed i call you every week to let you know there is a problem you tell me i'll fix the problem i would expect just that.The hole point is Carson was to replace the snakes from day 1 and he never did.

Craig McMurtrie

Craig

My apologies. I assumed the $400 credit reflected the purchase price of the snakes. I also did not realize that so much time had passed. It is definitely an anemic offer but it is better than nothing at all.

 

[herpsetc]

Ed
yes i have a few bad deals.
like maybe 4 bad deals.
which a few of them are BS,and as far as your comment (trying to hussle people for a buck)
when u buy and resell reptiles to make MONEY.
that how you make a BUCK
that would be BUSINESS not HUSSLE
thank you
carson

 

[herpsetc]

craig send me your number
thanx carson phelps

 

[christopher66]

Am i the only one that sees a pattern?

 

[herpsetc]

Heres the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm going to make a few things right.
only a few things right
but i really don't have to.
i still sell reptile all day long.
this fauna site doesn't stop me from selling at all.
i'm only doing this because i feel that it needs to be done.
thank you

plus chris don't start again

carson phelps

 

[christopher66]

Heres the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm going to make a few things right.
only a few things right
but i really don't have to.
i still sell reptile all day long.
this fauna site doesn't stop me from selling at all.
i'm only doing this because i feel that it needs to be done.
thank you

plus chris don't start again

carson phelps

Excuse Me ?!?

 

[Justin Mitcham]

yes i have a few bad deals.
like maybe 4 bad deals.

Carson does that include Dave?
You know what I mean bud, not going to trash you on this, you should call him. He has done more for you than anyone.. not fair to him to be ignored like this.

 

[critical bill]

Chuck cant see why you would side with carson, just dont make sense?

I'm not taking sides with anyone. I'm just trying to understand how it is that outside of Carsons admittance to each problem and the offering to settle each dispute....that no one has offered any sort of documented proof in any form whatsoever to him or to us as members to view on this thread. No email exchanges, no photos, no nothing. All I'm seeing is "you screwed me carson, make it right". Where are the receipts of sale? Records of shipment? Email exchanges?

Can I say that Carson owes me $9000.00 on a past deal that went sour and I want my money back? Would you want to see my proof posted here? A photo of the deceased animals at least? A receipt for payment? A simple email acknowledging that a transaction even occurred between the two to begin with?

I mean....how did these folks communicate...by smoke signals?

If I lost $2000.00 worth of animals from ANYONE I'd be backing up every email that transpired between us as evidence to provide.

Its not about taking sides....its about qualifying the complaints.

 

[eajohnstone]

Hi Carson and members of the BOI,

Here is my experience with Carson. Let me say in advance that it's embarrassing for me to make this post (you'll see why) but it's important that I tell this story for the sake of the reptile community.

I have loved pieds ever since I first saw one online a few years ago but I've never had the money to spend on high end ball pythons. I graduated college in 05 and decided that after a few paychecks I was going to buy a het pied male and several pos. het females. That was the plan until I saw an advertisement on Kingsnake from Herps Etc.

The ad was for a "low white pied" which he had priced at only $2000! I was very excited and decided to change my original plan because this deal was too good to be true. Of course, it turns out that this deal was in fact too good to be true...

I sent carson the money and he sent me the snake via DHL. When I got the snake I decided to take some pictures and send it to some other breeders and sure enough they told me that I had been scammed! I did not have a pied in my possession but rather a spectacular ringer. I'd post a picture but I don't know how. Basically he has a solid white ring that's about 1 inch by 1 inch that circumvents his body. He looks very similar to the ringer in NERDs book.

So, I had just spent $2000 on a snake that is not worth more than a few hundred dollars, if that. Needless to say I was very upset! I tried calling Carson, emailing Carson, responding to his other ads and I did not hear anything from him. I contacted my local police station but because I had very little information on Mr. Phelps there was little I could do. $2000 is a lot of money in my mind but apparently it would have cost me several times that in order to hire a private investigator and to pay my legal fees if I ended up tracking Carson down and bringing him to court. Since I cannot really afford to pay these costs, I decided to chalk this experience up to a very expensive "lesson learned."

Then about a month ago I get a call during dinner from a collection agency. Apparently Carson sent the snake to me COD even though we agreed that the $2000 included shipping costs. As it turns out DHL screwed up and never contacted me about this outstanding debt and as a result they turned over the debt to a collection agency. DHL and the collection agency advised me to pay the debt because these types of "scammers" were impossible to track down and that my credit score would be hurt even more if I didn't pay it immediately. So, I decided to pay the bill.

To summarize, I am out several hundred dollars on a misrepresented snake, I had to pay shipping costs even though he was supposed to, my credit score was damaged as a result, and I still have not heard from Carson in over 7 months. In retrospect I should have been more knowledgeable about ringers but to be perfectly honest I did not know that ringers could look so much like low-white pieds to the untrained eye. Additionally, I should have been more suspicious of a $2000 pied for sale when every other male pied was at least $4000. Now I know better and never again will I be scammed by someone in this industry!

Then recently I learned of this thread and decided I had to tell my story. Do I expect to get my money back? Well, based on Carson's refusal to respond to my emails and phonecalls for the past 7 months, I'd have to say "no." But if you really are trying to "make things right" Carson, I think you owe me an explanation and a generous refund. I work very hard for my money Carson, and it is my opinion that you have done me a great injustice.

If you do decide to do the right thing I will be sure to let the BOI know exactly how you have remedied the situation and the BOI will know that Herps Etc. has in fact changed their ways. If not, well then at least I know I've done a good thing by making the reptile community aware of our transaction.

I sincerely hope to hear from you soon Carson. If anyone would like more information, please don't hesitate to ask.

~Emily

 

[duhh001]

I'm not taking sides with anyone. I'm just trying to understand how it is that outside of Carsons admittance to each problem and the offering to settle each dispute....that no one has offered any sort of documented proof in any form whatsoever to him or to us as members to view on this thread. No email exchanges, no photos, no nothing. All I'm seeing is "you screwed me carson, make it right". Where are the receipts of sale? Records of shipment? Email exchanges?

Can I say that Carson owes me $9000.00 on a past deal that went sour and I want my money back? Would you want to see my proof posted here? A photo of the deceased animals at least? A receipt for payment? A simple email acknowledging that a transaction even occurred between the two to begin with?

I mean....how did these folks communicate...by smoke signals?

If I lost $2000.00 worth of animals from ANYONE I'd be backing up every email that transpired between us as evidence to provide.

Its not about taking sides....its about qualifying the complaints.

I've got my backup, which I'd be happy to forward to you. As of yet I haven't seen Carson answer to one of my complaints.
1. Non-Feeders (Sold as Aggresive Feeders, took over a month to get one to eat, the other regurates every meal)
2. Undersized (Supposed to be 110+gm, came in at 70g)
3. Sent COD (Agreed price included Shipping)
4. Also shipment was supposed to be Insured (Wasn't)

Market price has nothing to do with selling someone else's crap, misrepresented as Top Quality Animals. Carson was told from the begining they wouldn't eat, and decided to just ignore the problem.

 

[critical bill]

Chuck, If you read the thread it's clear you would have dead snakes in your freezer till they bred waiting for Carson to make things right.
Craig McMurtrie

No...its clear that you did not photograph the dead animals. What if Carson has a photo of the animals he sold you? I'd like to compare those photos to see that they are the same animals. Maybe you never heard of that scam, but its not new and people have been busted for it here often in the past. I'm not calling you a scam artist, but this thread has left considerable room for a scam artist to jump into.

Also...do you mean to suggest that you purchased $2000.00 worth of animals from Carson and were never provided any sort of photos of them? You bought them unseen?

 

[Bill & Amy]

At this point I don't know why we need proof, he had admitted to doing the things he was accused of.

 

[critical bill]

I've got my backup, which I'd be happy to forward to you. As of yet I haven't seen Carson answer to one of my complaints.
1. Non-Feeders (Sold as Aggresive Feeders, took over a month to get one to eat, the other regurates every meal)
2. Undersized (Supposed to be 110+gm, came in at 70g)
3. Sent COD (Agreed price included Shipping)
4. Also shipment was supposed to be Insured (Wasn't)

I appreciate the offer but if you have documentation to support your complaint it should be posted on this thread for everyone to read.

 

[herpsetc]

herps etc

ok

this is getting crazy

first off bill and amy i
said some of the things
on this site were true not them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

let you through some of these

craig cmc reptiles
i never see a DEAD snake.
but i'm going to give him 2 pastel females
i'm in the right on this one
but to get something done on this site i'll due that.

Ron
i'll give you a male spider for $300
just to get some done on this

ron about the $23 that was sent out friday.
so thats taking care of.

the pied deal
that snake came from a pied to het breeding
i told her on the phone that the snake is a ringer 100% het pied
i never had and phone call on this
if she wants
to work something out email me at [email protected]
that snake is smokin and i'd love to have it back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


any deals that going to be made have to be done via email
i'm not going to keep posting on this site

so these are 3 deals that are in the bad
but doesn't mean there
JUST REMEMBER that

plus one more thing
I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THIS
I STILL SELL REPTILES ANYWAY

BUT TO BE FAIR
I"LL TAKE CARE OF THIS

THANK YOU
CARSON PHELPS

 

[critical bill]

At this point I don't know why we need proof, he had admitted to doing the things he was accused of.

He admitted to what he did wrong, and now I'd like to see that he is actually wrong. Maybe I'm doing for him what he doesn't have the good common sense to do for himself...which is..asking for proof that the animals which died are actually his that he sent.

Whats the victim count up to now? No one can provide so much as a single email exchange documenting the dispute? One email?

As far as I'm concerned...Carson is obligated to make things right with the folks who provided him with proof.

 

[eajohnstone]

I just wanted to let you all know what is going on with me and Herps Etc. I finally talked to Carson on the phone yesterday and he told me that he is committed to "making things right." We have agreed that he will buy back my ringer and is in the process of collecting funds. So hopefully I'll get my money back?

Also, in response to Carson's previous post, I want to clarify something: I was NEVER told that this animal was a het pied. I have his advertisement from Kingsnake and it does not mention the word "het." I was not in the market for a $2000 male het pied! We established this on the phone yesterday so let's not go down this road Carson!

Despite giving a "fuzzy" recollection of our transaction in his previous post, Carson did say on the phone that he sincerely wanted to remedy the situation with me as well as his past customers. Hopefully he'll follow through on his promise and I will be sure to post here as soon as I have more information.

Finally, on a positive note, I did want to say that the snake Carson sent me was very healthy and has not missed a meal since we've had him. Hopefully I will be posting here again soon with a positive review of Carson and Herps Etc!

~Emily

 

[willykink]

A week for priority US mail?

That little glitch aside, I'm back to finally announce that Carson finally came through with completing the end of our business together, a case where we also had agreed upon a price that included shipping and then Carson ended up sending the animal postage due. Just today, I received the remaining balance on the DHL shipping bill that was sent to me a couple weeks after Carson shipped me a female albino boa yearling 100% het snow. I sincerely hope everyone else with grievances in this thread get whatever they're owed.

Brad (NOT Ron)

 

[tbyrdlogger1]

Ryan,

Please email me about Carson Phelps because I've already put money down towards a female gstripe and I want to purchase her but I'm afraid he's getting rid of her for a reason and if you really know him and know more about him I'd like to have some info. My email is [email protected], I told him I'd buy the snake and sent him $2,000 but I have a bad feeling about the situation, he was really friendly and talkative. I just have a bad feeling about things now, he's pretty quick about asking for the remaining payment, let me know more about him. I'm at a point right now to where I don't know if I should finally just ask for a refund for sure this time. I requested for a refund and he spent the money then I told him that I'd buy the female gstripe, but now I'm thinking about telling him I have too many sources that say he's not the person to buy from.

Thanks

 

[herpsetc]

g-stripe female

hi,tracey
this g-stripe is 100% perfect,no kinks,great feeder etc etc.
yes i'm friendly etc etc,because thats the way you do good business
be nice to your customers.if i was a d-head you won't talk to me at all.correct.
when i first talk to u this snake was 250 grams i just sent you an updated pic of her and she is 365 full so she's around 310 empty.
i told you i would give you a re-fund thats not a problem.
and yes i asked if you had the money yet
i wasn't pushy.
if you don't want the snake thats fine
your getting a killer deal for a healthy snake.
you can pay $6500-$7500 for a newborn.
thats fine
just lmk
so i can re-post it
you changed your mind 3 times thats crazy
just lmk what you wanna do
thanx
carson

 

[pfan151]

I just completed a transaction with Herps etc. and I must say I could not be happier. My snake arrived flawless and I feel I got a very fair price. I read this post prior to placing my order and it did make me a little nervous, but after completing the transaction I will say that I would not hesitate in buying from Carson again. My snake looks better then expected and ate about 2 minutes after being placed in my quarantine rack.