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Hets and poss hets

When something is labeled as a het or double het

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Rainbow Bearded Dragons said:
I don't agree. If they are 100 % het people would say 100 % het for hypo or trans. There is no way to know the degree of hypo or Trans in an animal without proving that animal out. I feel this will even vary between the animals in the same clutch..
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This is the problem. I'm not quite sure you really understand the genetics and how they work. If you want to call them double hets, by all means you have the right to do what you want. But, when you have a customer that raises that double het for a year, then breeds it, and it doesn't produce any hypo or trans and comes to you asking why...it will be because it was only a possible double het. NOT a double het. Big difference. We try to point these things out to help.

Rainbow Bearded Dragons said:
I have dragons for sale that are double het. for Hypo and Trans. But just label them het for hypo and poss. Trans because of the confusion people are having.
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Why would they be labeled het hypo and poss het trans? They are poss double hets. A het x het breeding will give you 66% poss hets. 2 out of 3 babies should be het, no way of knowing which ones are because they all appear normal, so there is a 66% possibility that it is actually a het. You have flipped back and forth with what you called these babies as far as being hets or poss hets.

Rainbow Bearded Dragons said:
No where on my ad.s does it say 100% het for hypo and trans. So why would you just assume they are is beyond me..All het means is they have the genes to throw it depending on what you are breeding it to of course for the out come. Both parents have to have the Hypo or Trans genes to produce hypo or trans. Some people don't even understand that yet.

I even list the genetics on my ad.s and still people don't get it..The father is a proven double het as he has produced Trans and hypo trans leather babies with another double het.
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You are labeling them as different things and changing back and forth. It's misleading to read something labeled as het hypo poss het trans and in reality they are actually poss het hypo poss het trans.

Rainbow Bearded Dragons said:
So I bred this same male to a female that has proven to be het Hypo. I have Hypo leather backs and leather backs from this pairing. Even though the mother is not het for trans the babies will still be het for trans because of the father. I was told like around 33 % Trans and 66 % hypo from this pairing.
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No. If only the father is het trans, the babies have a 50% possibility of being hets for the trans gene. That means statistically out of 10 babies that all appear normal in that clutch, 5 of them should be het for trans and 5 of them will NOT be het trans. There is no way of knowing which is which because they all appear normal so they are labeled as 50% poss hets.

Rainbow Bearded Dragons said:
So with that said. You would want to take one of these babies and breed it to a visual if you wanted to produce a higher yield in the clutches..Remember you need het.s to produce strong Trans babies as they are so weak from the line breeding still..


Tamara
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Not true, there is no higher yield if it is 50% 66%, whatever. That is the possibility of them being a het, not how much of a het they are. That has no bearing if they prove out het on how many babies will be visuals. If you took a visual and bred it to a 66% poss het, and the het proved out, you would get the same amount of visual offspring(statistically speaking) as if that same parent was 100% het. Or, on the other hand if it didn't prove out to be a het you would get no visuals and all 100% hets.

I thought a poll and discussion would have been good to hear others opinions. Mainly on just labeling something as a het or double het and what that implies. Based on the majority of the results of the pole and what most people I have actually spoken to say....if something is labeled as a HET it should be a HET. I didn't mention your name because I didn't want to single you out. I also have seen other ads from people mislabeled as far as what they are...not just on this site so it sparked some interest on my part in discussing it.

Chris
 
I think I misunderstood what you were saying about the higher yield and that you were referring to getting more by breeding a het to a visual....understood and agreed(late).
 
All het. means is that they carry the gene. To what degree depends on the parents.. and what your breeding them to.
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By your own words you agree that het means they carry the gene...thus 100% het. the peeps raising the question are peeps who a. understand exactly what het means and b. are trying to gently nudge you to being more with your thorough advertisement so as to keep from confusing those that may not know genetics as well.
 
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All I can do is state the parents genetics which i have. I have had people including your selves giving them more % than I was even giving.. LOL LOL All I'm saying is they are carrying the genes...And it really matters what you are breeding them to for the out come..

I gave my two cents worth. Nothing more to say as i wasn't looking for a debate..But you guys seem to know how to type pretty well. Why not just ask the person before you buy the animals... if it doesn't state 100 percent you shouldn't assume so but should inquire.

Good night all I'm done and not subscribed to this thread . I'm not into this kinda thing but just ran across it. :no_evil01


Tamara
 
Tamara, it is fact what percentage dragons would be based on what the parents are...you can figure this out yourself by using a Punnett square if you don't believe me.

It's not a debate as to what the genetics are. It's cut and dry....mathematical if you will.... when working with a simple recessive gene like hypomelanism or translucism. The only "debate" is if calling them hets if in actuality they are possible hets is falsely representing them.

chris
 
I would consider an animal labled as "het (insert genetic oddity here)" as a 100% het of that trait. The other question is if I believe the person selling if it is indeed 100%, 66%, 50%, etc. regardless of what they claim in the ad. A het usually isn't visible and I know there are people out there who probably label normals as hets of some sort so I would always be on the side of caution when purchasing hets. Just my opinion though
 
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