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Hidden gene lesser/soul sucker stuff

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I spoke with Kev this morning and he told me that he got an animal from Noah (an African exporter) which Noah called a special lesser. It was the baby from breeding Noah's line of lesser to a special animal that Noah called Queen Belinda. The offspring looked different than what they expected and they assume it's because of the mix of the sire and dam. So Kevin gets this baby male that looks much nicer and a bit different than the other lessers that he had seen and it produced different looking lesser offspring. So Kevin termed it a hidden gene lesser...which is the name that he still uses for it. Kevin says it produced awesome lessers and the crazy looking soul suckers. The hidden gene lessers he has produced came from his soul suckers (not sure if all of them are traced directly from the original soul suckers). I have seen soul suckers and they do not look like Kevin's original ones but they are very nice. Kevin also said that mojos do not make soul suckers...which I can see where he is coming from. It was my mistake for saying they do because that's just what I think they look like and not what Kevin ever told me (my opinion only).

Personally...I think the hidden gene lesser is just a nice lesser...but that's my opinion only. I think that years ago when the ball python craze really started people had no real idea what was in morphs so to the best of their knowledge...they guessed and did some breeding trials and made up their minds from the results. I guess it boils down to Kevin's line of lesser made the soul sucker so technically it's made from his line. But I also think they can be made with other lines even though they may not turn out as nice as Kevin's.

Hope this helped!
 
Sorta like Butters and Lessers, same thing different lineage. Rather than saying hidden gene maybe just make a note of the lineage to avoid controversy.
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Agreed but it's like the hidden gene woma I would think. The name just stuck
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IMO I would have separated the Woma and Hidden Gene Woma by giving one of the two a totally different name. There was confusion with Pastel & Jungle Pastel in the earlier years and now you don't hear the term Jungle Pastel very often so it catches on over time but you're right the HGW is stuck pretty good.

I don't think it's to late for Kevin to stop using the term hidden gene with his Lessers when all he has to do is specify it's his own line of Lessers from Africa that throw off some different looking combos compared to other Lessers.
 
Kevin has been using the term hidden gene lesser for a very long time so I think changing the name would be a moot point. That would also put confusion on the hidden gene woma and people might think that it's just nerds line of Woma when it is not it's actually it's own morph. I think leaving the names would be fine. Kevin's hidden gene lessers are sold for only a little bit more than everyone else's lessers so at this point it's no big deal.
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Kevin has been using the term hidden gene lesser for a very long time so I think changing the name would be a moot point. That would also put confusion on the hidden gene woma and people might think that it's just nerds line of Woma when it is not it's actually it's own morph.
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I understand the HGW is it's own morph and I'm not saying to change the name now since it's pretty much stuck but once it was learned that it was it's own morph years ago maybe it should have taken on it's own more specific name other than being termed Woma.
 
Thanks Matt. I agree that Kevin can call his animals whatever he wants, I just really hope that he has it straight now that they don't carry the gene to make platinums.
 
Kevin said he's trying this season for platty. He's breeding soul sucker litter mates back to soul sucker. He's got two gravid females
 
Ghi Reptiles said:
Kevin said he's trying this season for platty. He's breeding soul sucker litter mates back to soul sucker. He's got two gravid females
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I wish him luck making some platinums. I think I should clarify from my previous post - I hope that he has it straight now that the lessers don't carry the hidden gene to make platinums.
 
i think kevin explained everything in his video. at least the way he sees it.

its obvious to us now that there are NO hidden genes at all involved in the soulsucker. its a simple 1 in 4 combo.


i know ure a really good friend of kevin and i really like u, u seem like a good guy to me, but what kevin does here is just wrong in my eyes.

even in todays adds on ks he writes the soulsucker is a reaction of two hidden genes combined. its clear that he doesnt mean it as "line names".

people like saskia from snakings bought a adult soulsucker male for 20k just because she thought she cant make em with her lessers and that there are hidden genes involved. otherwise shed never spend 15 more than she used too. she could have bought a male hg woma and breed him to a few lesser females. same odds as breeding her soulsucker male to a few normal females.


in my eyes thats simply not right. he can price em like he wants and people pay whats its worth em to them, but misleading the people isnt ok in my book.

he NEVER said that u can make a soulsucker from a normal lesser (he denies that in his video also), even though people in britain made soulsuckers about 3 years ago with normal lessers.


of course this isnt directed towards u, u have nothing to do with it- its kevins business
 
No worries at all Joe. I don't really know that much about the whole soul sucker drama that goes on. Did the soul suckers that were made in the UK look like Kevin's soul suckers?
 
to me they looked like them. although its really hard to describe a certain soulsucker look after raphy posted the pictures of 10 soulsuckers which all looked different to each other.

ill see if i find the links and send em to u tommorow- now ill have to sleep a few hours (its 4 am here).
 
rcpreis3 said:
Whys everything gotta be hidden gene? I mean if u see a difference, it isnt quite hidden is it?
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Because it sells. Hidden gene this hidden gene that. Bling bling there.
People just need to do their home work before buying. A change of name or title will not make an animal better, it sure makes them pricier. :eek:
 
OK so I have a question... so Kevin said the hidden gene Lessers that come from soul sucker breeding make soul suckers... he also said that you can not breed a HGWG to a HGWG sibling because you will make pearls... so if the hidden gene lesser comes from a soul sucker breeding should you breed it back to Hidden Gene Woma or not?? it is a sib... will it make soul suckers and pearls? Or do HGWG some times make pearls no mater what the breeding and the HGWG X SIB = Pearls rumor just another misconception by Kevin?
 
See theres the confusion with this whole hidden gene bs. Kevin just threw the name hidden gene on whatever, I think its bs that only his lessers make soul suckers. But no the hgw and hgl are two different hidden genes and are not related. Theres so much confusion around this I'll never buy anything with the term "hidden gene"
 
Also I call bs on the pearls, if they are so bad why does he keep producing them? I bet my whole collection if he gets a male to adult size he'll be breeding it. Plus spiders have the same issues with wobbling, but I still see hundreds of bees being produced each year, why all the fuss about pearls?
 
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