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dutchallison00 said:
As far as a lifetime trade in policy or health guarantee, these are not new ideas that this Brian Smith conjured up so therefore he and David Beauchemin must be the same person. Lots of folks have that same policy. I have that same policy.

I was able to show you where both David and Brian Smith had this similar policy. If you can show me where another credible breeder has this similar policy and guarantee I would really love to see it. I've been around this hobby for 12 + years and it looks very unique to me.

Ben Rogers
 
Ben

Could you recap what the problem with Damon aka Brian Smith is. Does that 636 post thread only have to do with using a fake name??
The problem as I see it is that HEH doesn't have to prove anything to you. Several have vouched for them and they deny being connected with anyone. The ball is in your court not theirs.
 
Sorry, I forgot to include the other pics

First, here is a post by Brian Smith showing he claims he wants to produce every python species and morph. Something very similar is posted on higend herps homepage. Now how many breeders do you know have actually said this? I know it's not an ace in the hole, but considering everything else I think it's worth looking at. How many idetical views and statements can two people really have without ever being connected?

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=138054,138763&key=2003

Here is one of the tiger retics Brian Smith has in his photo gallary
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=135534&si=briansmith

Here is the same snake found on Highendherps page. I'm not sure if I can legally post a direct link to the pic so I'll just send a link to the page. It is the tiger at the bottom.
http://www.highendherps.com/wst_page8.html

Here is a second tiger retic found in Brian Smith's gallary
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/21217DCP_0023_1.JPG

There was a picture on Highendherps site showing this snake, but I don't seem to see it on there anymore. I have it saved, but I don't know if it's ok to post it and how posting pics from his page works legally.

Ben Rogers
 
You know, I have purchased several animals from one person before that were produced by NERD. I also have a boa that once belonged to three other people, all of which I can name. To everyone here; How many snakes do you own? How many do you tell people you own? I am sure many people own a lot more then they tell other. I had quite a large collection of animals before I ever showed up, heck, I will have even more before I am securly established in breeding and selling, right now all my sales are local and between friends. I know many people that want to keep and breed every python and boa morph out there, are you saying that David and Brian/Damon are the only two people you have ever heard of wanting to breed that many snakes? I am not completely discounting anything you have posted, but more evidence is clearly needed.

David, can you show proof of purchase of each of those animals that are in question, as of now there are 3 of them? Also who did you purchased them from? How long have you been in the reptile trade? Have you ever lived in California? How long have you lived in Louisiana? What is your blood type? What is the size of your left foot? Is your right arm longer then your left arm? Did you shoot JR?

David, if you are born in September 1968 you are 37 years old as your profile says. When you were Damon(aka Brian) and caught in Arizona with illegal alligators in April 2005 you were 38 years old. How in the world did your age decrease with time?
 
You know it is really hard to identify that tiger retic when you can see mainly the right side of the snake on HEH's page and mainly the left side of the snake on Brian's photo gallery. The second retic photo does nothing for us if we do not see HEH's photo you have a picture copy of.
 
Ben

I am not a man that is easily riled, but this here is beginning to ruffle my feathers a bit for sure. That being said, I am a firm believer in always treating others with kindness and respect, regardless of how they approach me, so I will still do my best to be patient and not argumentative with you. To this point my wife and I have been polite and have tried our best to deal with your questions in a kindly manner. But it has become apparent that your questions are such that only answers you want to hear will do. No matter what we say you seem dug in deep as a deer tick in winter time on this idea that we are in some way connected with these guys that scammed you or ripped you off. For the last time, we are not.

But that brings some questions of my own to mind. You come on here and accuse us of somehow being involved in what these other guys did to you, but you never said what it was that they did. Now, I am just curious but what exactly did they do to you and when? I’m sure others are curious too.

Did you send them money for a snake or snakes and they never sent them?
Did they get a snake from you and fail to pay?
Did they sell you sick snakes that died?
Did you send them snakes as part of a breeding arrangement and not get offspring or your snakes back?
Did you have a trade with them, ship first and never receive the trade animals back?

I am really curious as to just what those fellas did that is causing you to go around looking for similarities in other businesses and accuse good, honest folks. It must have been very serious, judging by your hound-dog-like veracity. Digging up old posts and all. And don’t get me wrong. I can certainly sympathize, feel empathy and even relate to an extent. I have had some not-so-good deals in my day. And they do stick with you, no doubt about it. But I did browse through that Brian/Damon Smith thread for a spell and I couldn’t find anything, anywhere what it was they did to you. Of course I read about every 9th page, it was so doggone long.

Also, you posted to me in various forums for the last three or four months calling me Damon. It didn’t make sense then but now I know why and it all fits. But my question about that is, if them other guys ripped you off and you thought all along we were them, why did you not bring it to the BOI way back then? Why did you wait all this time to jump in with this only when someone asked about us as sellers? You’d think if them other fellas did something so wrong to you and you thought we were them, that you would have posted here about it immediately to warn others. I only ask this because it makes me question what your real motives here might be. It appears as if you only are intending to damage me, my family, our business and the High End Herps name. I hope this is not the case and that you genuinely are just off on some bizarre quest to find the folks that did bad by you.


As to your other posts concerning 'Not answering your questions'.... I don't really know just who you think you are, or who you think I am or what your sense of reality is. But when it comes right down to it I most certainly do not owe you answers to your single minded questions that are only designed to do me and my livlihood and thus my family, harm. I don't know if you fancy yourself a High Falutin big city lawyer and I am some 2-bit street thug in the defendants box that has to answer to you, but I'm not. And I don't. And you aren't.

I am going to make this my last post directed at you or anyone else that tries to connect us to known scammers. I'm also fixing to talk to a lawyer tomorrow to find out if any of this is illegal and maybe pursue some legal course of action. After all, this is my business you are inpugning and my name you are besmirching and my sole source of income you are threatening. So these statements and insinuations are potentially damaging to my livlihood in my eyes.

Just a few more questions Ben and Adrian:

Are you over 18 years of age?
Do you own property or a home?
Do you rent or still live at home?
Why didn’t you post here right away?
Just what was it Damon and Brian did to you?

Answer my questions for a change.

David Beauchemin
 
The fraction of my idea that you quoted:

Originally Posted by dutchallison00
As far as a lifetime trade in policy or health guarantee, these are not new ideas that this Brian Smith conjured up so therefore he and David Beauchemin must be the same person. Lots of folks have that same policy. I have that same policy.

You went on to say:

I was able to show you where both David and Brian Smith had this similar policy. If you can show me where another credible breeder has this similar policy and guarantee I would really love to see it. I've been around this hobby for 12 + years and it looks very unique to me.

Ben Rogers



The entire idea that I originally posted:

As far as a lifetime trade in policy or health guarantee, these are not new ideas that this Brian Smith conjured up so therefore he and David Beauchemin must be the same person. Lots of folks have that same policy. I have that same policy. The difference is that High End Herps has it detailed in plain english on the homepage of their website for all to see. How can you possibly chastise someone for having a sound and responsible policy as one of the first things you can read on their website?


Please don't use partial sections of something I said to "illustrate" that the statement I made is incorrect. If the difference between High End Herps and the folks I was referring to is that High End Herps posts their trade in policy on their website and others do not, then your request for me to show you evidence that someone on this earth other that HEH and this Brian fellow have it is completely redundant. Such evidence exists in private emails and telephone conversations with several different breeders of large constrictors (Retics, Burms, Afrocks), none of who's name am I going to attach to a BOI thread that you have made negative and absurd. Furthermore I can think of dozens of people off the top of my head who have said to me and others that they would like to breed every species and morph of constrictor. I myself have said it. In fact I think you'd be hard pressed to find a herp enthusiast that you could pose that question to and get an answer of "no" in response. Lastly, two pictures that show absolutely nothing other than that both snakes in them are tiger retics is almost (but not quite) as weak as one random picture of a snake this fellow once owned and how we all will just have to take your word for it that the same one once appeared on High End Herps' website. What a compelling argument you make. If all you intend to do is continue to post conspiracy theories and falsehoods, only to have them ripped apart by the public shortly after, then it seems that it might be a good idea for you to give this wild goose chase up... you're beginning to look like a fool.
 
Gee when someone starts throwing around their lawyer here it kind of makes me wonder...I was just reading this thread with some interest as Ben was finding some coincidences and David wasn't being very forthright(yeah I know he can do as he pleases) Could just be David getting angry but how many times have we seen people throw out the big L word right before we discovered bad things were done to the pooch.

David that was not a good idea it's been done by many a bad guy here in the past , they threaten people with their Lawyer in a fading hope that it will stop the wolves. Well I was sitting on the fence on this one but now I am beginning to wonder if there is some truth to what Ben has brought here. Care to answer his questions now and put this to rest before it gets out of hand?? Randy
 
Junkyard said:
You know it is really hard to identify that tiger retic when you can see mainly the right side of the snake on HEH's page and mainly the left side of the snake on Brian's photo gallery. The second retic photo does nothing for us if we do not see HEH's photo you have a picture copy of.

Michael,
If you look at the picture on his website and find the long stripe on the left side just below the kid in the picture and use that for a reference point you can find that same stripe in the other picture. From there you can look at the other markings. If you zoom in you can see they are the same scale for scale in both pictures.

As for the other picture that was on HEH’s page, I would have no problem posting it if I knew I wouldn’t get in trouble for doing so. That is the only thing keeping me it as I know there is some sort of copyright thing on the photos from his page
 
David

I'll happily answer all your questions if you answer all mine. So, far I haven't gotten much of anything from you and I'm not sure why you don't want dissprove any of my observations.
 
James

Sorry James,
I read your whole post, but other than the post I’ve seen you make on other forums I’ve never known you to be an actual breeder. Not saying you aren’t, I just don’t know you and never looked into it. When did you first start telling people you will take back a customer’s snake that gets to big? What all have you been breeding? BTW, Highendherps is the one who claims his 4 month guarantee is “unheard of”. So, if it’s so common maybe you should talk to him about it. All I know is I don’t see any one else advertising such policies or guarantees, and it looks relevant to me as these two people happen to be the only ones I’ve seen. Like I said, if you can show me otherwise, I would love to see it. Personally, if I was going to buy from someone with these policies and guarantees I would like to know how long they have actually been around. What good is a trade in policy if they aren’t there when you are ready to do so?

As for the pictures, if you look closer, they match scale for scale.

Just curious, how long have you known David? Something tells me it’s been less than a year. I would assume that for everyone that’s posted though.

Ben Rogers
 
Ben wrote:

I'll happily answer all your questions if you answer all mine.

How about just these regarding Brian Smith?
Did you send them money for a snake or snakes and they never sent them?
Did they get a snake from you and fail to pay?
Did they sell you sick snakes that died?
Did you send them snakes as part of a breeding arrangement and not get offspring or your snakes back?
Did you have a trade with them, ship first and never receive the trade animals back?

Kevin
 
Did you send them money for a snake or snakes and they never sent them?
Did they get a snake from you and fail to pay?
Did they sell you sick snakes that died?
Did you send them snakes as part of a breeding arrangement and not get offspring or your snakes back?
Did you have a trade with them, ship first and never receive the trade animals back?
I would like to know the answers to these questions Also. Just for the record I'm not a big time breeder "But" I myself have a similar policy as HEH and just because you never heard of me, that doesn't mean that this policy isn't used by others JMHO.
 
Hit submit to quick. Can anyone here that has more snakes(animals) coming through their facility then people going through Grand Central Station during rush hour remember who they all came from ????? I know I for one couldn't :rofl: But point to fact David and his wife may of picked them up from someone that got them from Brian/Damon there is an option that has not come to light here, I don't personally know David and his wife but I do know of their reputation here and thats all I have to go on till I'm proved wrong. So if someone has hard proof saying they aren't who they say they are, then this is all for not.
 
BenR said:
Michael,
If you look at the picture on his website and find the long stripe on the left side just below the kid in the picture and use that for a reference point you can find that same stripe in the other picture. From there you can look at the other markings. If you zoom in you can see they are the same scale for scale in both pictures.
Okay, I can see the similar markings, chances of it being a different retic is slim to none. Though there are a few extra markings on the gallery picture that are not on HEH's picture so I do not see a scale for scale match, I see a large blotch and smaller blotch matches. Only David can answer the reason for having the same snakes. So what? That is still not enough to proof.

I am still curious about the age question I posted. If Damon was 38 last year then he would probably be 39 this year. According to David's profile, he is only 37 as of today.

Ben, before we go any futher, I think it is important to let everyone know why you are on the witch hunt. So if Brian/Damon/David are all one people, what wrong(besides owning alligators illegally) did they commit? You have not given us any reason as to why this is so important to you. If you are going to such labors trying to prove he is one in the same person, there must be more to your story you are not telling. Please share.
 
Junkyard said:
Ben, before we go any futher, I think it is important to let everyone know why you are on the witch hunt. So if Brian/Damon/David are all one people, what wrong(besides owning alligators illegally) did they commit? You have not given us any reason as to why this is so important to you. If you are going to such labors trying to prove he is one in the same person, there must be more to your story you are not telling. Please share.

I agree, I would like to know what these guys did to him that makes him so insane with finding them that he goes off half cocked over a picture of a snake that they *might* have owned before us. Did they even have snakes??

I just read a little more on the Brian/Damon thread and it did get a little interesting. It seems that they were lying about having snakes. Does anyone even know if they actually HAD any snakes? When asked to prove it they seemed to clam up. I know this is off topic on this thread but now I am a little curious, lol. [I know, curiosity kills the cat].

Also, it seems apparent to me, [at least by post 600], that one of the guys beat his wife and threatened to shoot her and got into some trouble for that and she left him over it. I wonder if this Ben is an ex-boyfriend, or a brother, a cousin, or a friend to the ex-wife. That sure would explain his hatred for one of them. I know that ANY normal man would go to the ends of the world to even it up with someone that did wrong by their sister or cousin or whatnot.

Tawni Beauchemin
 
This is getting very aggravating

1) The tiger pictures in question:

Both of the snakes look very similiar that true. But in my eyes they don't look like the exact same snake scale to scale. Snakes trade hands often in the reptile community of breeders, especially the large python species. I used to own several large Retics and Burms that I sold to large and small breeders. Are some of those snakes pictured on my website, Yes. Could they possibly be posted on their new owners side, totally. Does that mean that I am in cahoots, or the same person/business under a new name Hell No!
All I can say in that you (Brian & Adrian) must have zero experience with Retics. I only say that because if you've seen one normal patterned (or "classic" in the industry) Tiger Retic you've seen them all. They all look exactly the same!!!!

2) 4 Month Guaruntee

I have delt (bought and sold) with some large and small named breeders in the industry, out of respect I'll leave their names out of it, and only HEH has it posted on their website that they have this long of guaruntee. Granted usually no breeder will refuse the return of an adult snake, especially an adult female. In the large pythons big girls and boys are readly accepted back by the breeder/seller because there is a chance the animal can make them some money by either breeding the animals out or selling an adult snake. Hell if I was called and was requested to take an adult snake back I'd have a very tuff time refusing that. Wouldn't you!!!!!!???
I think I got off point. So here it is. I've been around the reptile industry a long time and have not seen a policy like this. Regardless of "how long they've been around" I have heard zero complaints or accusations of HEH's service or animals, other than you Ben.

3) Not being around very long

I have been in the reptile industry for 15 years. I've bred, sold, and bought several different species. Have you ever heard of me before? I decided to turn my hobby into a little business in 2004. Have you ever heard of me after 04 and prior to this post? My little business really took off if 2005 and my name started to get out there a little bit as expanded my clientel. Did you ever hear of me in 2005, prior to this post?
So because of my only being in business for two years does that mean I am shady, have poor aniamls, do not stand by what I say, know nothing?????? Not in the slightes. I have done the deal for 15 years, 2 yrs as a legiment business, I am here to stay and so are my guaruntees and terms that I have made with clients.

Like everyone else, I'd REALLY like to know what the deal is between you and this Brian/Damon guy(s). So please answer all the questions that the others have posted.
Did you send them money for a snake or snakes and they never sent them?
Did they get a snake from you and fail to pay?
Did they sell you sick snakes that died?
Did you send them snakes as part of a breeding arrangement and not get offspring or your snakes back?
Did you have a trade with them, ship first and never receive the trade animals back?
 
I thought this was suppose to be a inquiry on people who HAS dealt with HEH?
Why does it even matter if this IS the same snake? It simply amazes me that people spend so much time and effort trying to dig up dirt on someone and make them look guilty without any hard evidence? There seems to be some major similarities, yes. Did this Brian Smith character rip somebody off ?
I have never ordered from HEH but wouldn't hesitate to do so, unless I hear something negative, with proof to back it up.
Just my thoughts.
 
thought this was suppose to be a inquiry on people who HAS dealt with HEH?
Why does it even matter if this IS the same snake? It simply amazes me that people spend so much time and effort trying to dig up dirt on someone and make them look guilty without any hard evidence? There seems to be some major similarities, yes. Did this Brian Smith character rip somebody off ?
I have never ordered from HEH but wouldn't hesitate to do so, unless I hear something negative, with proof to back it up.
Just my thoughts.
Micah,isn't that the true :rofl:
 
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