How do you make a Super-Tangerine Albino?

[Geckobiz]

How do you make a Super-Tangerine Albino?

Would that mean any albino with less than ten black spots on their back is a super albino?


Can anyone explain when to add Super to the name?

 

[WiteLeo]

How do you make a Super-Tangerine Albino?

Would that mean any albino with less than ten black spots on their back is a super albino?


Can anyone explain when to add Super to the name?

Well first off, albinos don't have black spots. A Super Hypo I think is said to have less then 5 black spots. A hypo has less then 10. High yellows are in the middle of hypo and normal.

When I say less then 5 spots, I mean in the space batween the neck and the tail base.

To get a super tang albino, I'm not sure, Dan has the best I have ever seen. He should know where it crosses the line.

 

[Geckobiz]

Thanks for the info... I have seen super albino's for sale and was not super it that was possible?

 

[diablohogs]

any albino with less than ten black spots on their back is a super albino

any albino with even one black spot is pretty super.

How do you make a Super-Tangerine Albino?

super-tangerine is a morph in tremper albinos where the bands get taken over with orange pigment. quite possibly becasue of the presence of the ray hines hypo gene.

the confusing part is this:

ron tremper named the "super-tangerine" morph, yet he claims to have never added any ray hines hypos to his line of albinos. when i purchased mine i asked him "would this be considered a hybino?". his reply, "you could call him that.".

Can anyone explain when to add Super to the name?

in all cases but in the case of the super-tangerine, "super "is added when the morph in question is a codominant or incomplete dominant trait and the animal is homozygous for that trait.

i.g. super snow, super hypo, super giant, super salmon...ect...

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

well...

super-tangerine is a morph in tremper albinos where the bands get taken over with orange pigment. quite possibly becasue of the presence of the ray hines hypo gene.

I agree.

ron tremper named the "super-tangerine" morph, yet he claims to have never added any ray hines hypos to his line of albinos. when i purchased mine i asked him "would this be considered a hybino?". his reply, "you could call him that".

I don't understand why RT would have claimed not to have any Hine influence... hmmm. Unless it is because Ray Hine calls his Hybinos and RT didn't want to use that particular name for his version of the same morph.

There are two other breeders that come to mind that do the same thing... one of them gets his directly from RT and calls the offspring "hyglows" and another got his from Ray Hine and calls his offspring "sunglows". Essentially, they are all "hybinos".

 

[CoolGecko]

Hyglows are done by Alberto not Ron Tremper.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

lol!

There are two other breeders that come to mind that do the same thing... one of them gets his directly from RT and calls the offspring "hyglows" and another got his from Ray Hine and calls his offspring "sunglows".

Hyglows are done by Alberto not Ron Tremper.

LOL, Preston... I was trying not to name any names!

 

[diablohogs]

well, no matter what you call them. i like them

 

[DiabloBoa]

me too

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

he he

So do I... BTW, take a look at Ray Hine's website for HIS definition of a Hybino...

 

[diablohogs]

where? i looked all over the site.

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

link

It's on his "AVAILABLE" page, about halfway down under the heading Leopard Geckos. Here is what it says:

Leopard Geckos

Hybinos or sunglows as some people are calling them are basically a Tremper line albino crossed into my hypo and super hypo bloodlines. The result is albinos with reduced or, in the better examples, totally absent body and head markings. The tangerine colour of the tangerine super hypos is especially enhanced, with the lack of black pigment.

The patternless albinos, or leucistic albinos, are a product of a cross between a Tremper line albino gecko and a leucistic ( patternless ).

The result is a solid yellow patternless albino, that stays bright yellow even as an adult. Unlike most patternless, that can dull down considerably as they get older. An added bonus with this strain, is the yellow continues down the tail, in carrottail fashion, on some individuals.

Blazing blizzards are developed by crossing my Tremper albinos with blizzards and banana blizzards. The result is a blizzard with pink eyes and a body colour much whiter than a normal blizzard. In the blazing banana blizzards the body is bright yellow and the head and tail a pink colour.

Again the adults stay bright, unlike most normal blizzards. These will be very limited for a year or 2 but there will be some visuals and hets available in the summer and autumn.

 

[A_Kendergirl]

My understanding of the super hypo versus hypo is that a super has 0 black spots and a hypo has less then 10 black spots. Anything with more then 10 spots, but significantly less then normal, I consider "reduced pattern".

 

[Golden Gate Geckos]

yes, but...

The original question was: "How do you make a Super-Tangerine Albino?"

 

[diablohogs]

It's on his "AVAILABLE" page, about halfway down under the heading Leopard Geckos. Here is what it says:

thank you marcia.

 

[A_Kendergirl]

The original question was: "How do you make a Super-Tangerine Albino?"

Doh....the conversation was so all over the place that I wan't sure!

 

[Spydergotboost]

this is just my 2 cents

a hybino and sunglow are the same a hypo/super hypo albino are are noticeably different as hatchlings considering most do not have any white rather 2 shades of yellow/orange at birth

now super tangerines/hyglows are a line breed hypo albino not influenced by ran hines codominat hypoism, like the 2 different types of hypos one is line breed one is co-dominat the difference being when you breed a hines line super hypo to a normal the babies can be hypo in the first generation.the line breed super hypo ceossed to a normal will yield a more normalish gecko usually with reduced spotting

in that when you hatch a super tangerine albino they look like any other "normal" tangerine albino and as they age the white is replaced by the tangerine color more and more as they grow.

all i can gurentee about this is that it is very confusing but they are all differnet in thier own way

 

[groovygeckos]

does anyone know/remember the Tremper "Rainbow" ? or know if that was linebred or Co-dom/Dom Hypo ? (thinking someone here must have played around with those)

does a K&N Rainbow originate from that RT-line ? that is personally why it is my thought that Super Tang/Hyglo are from the linebred (?) Hypos or "rainbows" as they have been called . allthough it sounds like A&M is now breeding "hyglo" into the Super Hypo lines.

has anyone yet (Marcia , forgetting who else has them ) bred Super Tang to Normal or Normal Albino ? are there any Hypo, Super Hypo , or Super Tang influenced babies ? I cant really do much with what we have , i can breed a Striped Tang Albino w/ a little bit of Super Tang to my Red-Stripe who is fairly 'hypo' so im not going to get solid results . next i can breed Venus our "Super Tang" Striper (pictured) to our APTOR to try to see what the APTOR is all about , if it is also one in the same .

our first APTOR baby hatched w/ sort of a Jungle Pattern (also pictured and looks to be Ruby-Eyed BTW ) and ALOT of orange surrounding and allready filling in the light areas and looks more Hybino-ish than the other Albinos that are slowly exhibiting the Super Tang trait. only time will tell !

just my 0.2 cents on why i think its more linebred
1. The "super tang" albinos show varying amounts of the lighter bands being replaced . some much more than others. some are just barely showing it .
OK so i have bred JGA X JGA both showing a very small amount of that influence and am seeing only a small amount more of this influence in their babies and it grows in SLOWLY . if these were both 'Hypo' should i hatch more of a Super Hybino ? IF this is the same genetics involved . and if these both had alot of this trait showing i would expect more to show in the babies . etc (making it linebred(?)
2. It does take a long time for these (Super Tangs) to 'hypo out' ,whereas a Hines influenced Super Hybino will basically hatch looking like it will 'Hypo out ' allready and they do in a much shorter time at least the ones ive seen .

i dont really know one way or the other but this interests me and would like to find out . but i cant do it ALONE

 

[diablohogs]

dan,
i have crossed my super-tagerine male (pictured on top) to two different females this year. one of them was a $80 striped tangerine albino from VMS herps that belongs to vinny (second pic down). the other was a carrot head tangerine super giant (see picture of them breeding). the results have been varied.

heres (the last picture) what i would call a super tangerine giant albino. this was produced from the stripe albino X super-tangerine.

 

[groovygeckos]

OK Thanks