How far is to far

[Laura Fopiano]

Bryonsboas How odd is it that only certain members can see the " Doctors " thread and others can't? I noticed the thread reading over Laura's shoulder ( we both do , shared pc ) and thought I'd post my feelings on it but low and behold , NOT THERE. Not only has our fearless leader tucked tail and run over here to stir up crap after getting his ass handed to him but he has to do it in a " SECRET THREAD ". Some balls ya got. Maybe the good doctor was right.

Feel free to not only pull my mod status but my membership as well. I will not dirty myself nor my reputation being associated with a site run by a childish individual that uses it play septic tank games.

Why don't you show us how big your sack really is and post those comments , not just for all to see but for the good doctor to be able to respond to?

So everyone knows of what I speak....

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Why would someone not yet in their "Golden Years" no longer be a practicing physician?

Do you think it is most likely voluntary - that they got tired of practicing medicine - or involuntary?

Some years ago when I was licensed as an allied health professional I would periodically receive a publication from the state board of medical examiners. The publication listed actions taken against licensed healthcare providers including physicians.

The most often reason that I noticed physicians being either suspended from practice or restricted was drug or alcohol abuse followed closely by "inappropriate contact". Of course there were always those who had been so grossly incompetent as to be unable to go conveniently unnoticed by their peers.

I stopped receiving this publication quite a while ago - but I always wonder when I meet a physician who "no longer practices medicine" whether it was because they were self prescribing or toucing "Johnny" in "bad places".

Sure does make you wonder either way.


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-Scott Ashton



Yup , real classy bud. I'm out.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

my response

Scott, add me to the list of disgruntled mods! You have gone way to far this time. It's time the public knew just what kind of person you really are.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/sho...8896#post518896

Remove me from this going no where site!

 

[monkeywrench133]

What is all that about Laura? The link you posted above is for this thread.

 

[Clay Davenport]

I'm a bit confused. Apparently I'm missing some important piece of the puzzle here.
I take it the part in bold in the first post was posted by Scott? On this site or his?
Is it Fauna you are disgruntled with?
And who is the doctor in question?

 

[Laura Fopiano]

It is on his site in a hidden forum. The links go dead when I try and post them, so I copied and pasted them here. The doctor in question has been sent a link.

 

[Jim O]

I'm a bit confused. Apparently I'm missing some important piece of the puzzle here.
I take it the part in bold in the first post was posted by Scott? On this site or his?
Is it Fauna you are disgruntled with?
And who is the doctor in question?

On his site.

The doctor is yours truly.

It was a behind the back attack on me for what I posted in a thread here.

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

So~ for the very slow and stupid (thats me) type slowly~
Some of us are confused (thats me again)

Scott typed some nasty accusations on his site in a hidden forum? Is that right? Is that over on the Ballpythonforums.com?

Laura was able to see this hidden forum~ but Bryon could not?
Bryon saw the hidden forum through Laura's user name on their shared PC

I think I got it that far~
But now I'm confused. Why is Laura posting this and not Bryon? Why is the Dr (Jim?) not posting it? Are y'all mods there as well as here? Do you want your mod membership suspended there or here?

 

[monkeywrench133]

On his site.

The doctor is yours truly.

It was a behind the back attack on me for what I posted in a thread here.

Even if his implications were true, that post is in poor taste, to say the least.

I'm dissappointed. I would have expected better from Scott.

I wouldn't have thought he'd feel the need to sink to that level of discourse.

 

[Jim O]

For anyone who is interested, and particularly for Scotty:

I graduated from medical school in 1984 and did my internship and residency in Internal Medicine at the old (former) Boston City Hospital from 1984-1987. I remain board certified in that specialty.

I practiced in Massachusetts from July 1987 until the spring of 2001 when I took a leave of absence to think about what I wanted to do. I was getting to the burn out stage and had seen several colleagues around my age or just a bit older drop dead. In fact, I went to two more funerals that June/July of 2001 of young colleagues. My decision was much easier after 9-11.

That winter we decided that we had had enough of shovelling two feet of snow several times each winter and that idea was getting even less attractive as I was advancing in my forties. So we decided to move south and came to Virginia Beach in June of 2002, just after the school year ended. I never practiced here in Virginia but did get a license.

I have never had a disciplinary action before any licensure board and have never paid a malpractice claim.

I was licensed in Massachusetts from late 1986 or early 1987 until I allowed my license to lapse in July of 2003. My license number was 56657. Please feel free to peruse the Massachusetts Board of Registration Website at http://www.massmedboard.org/ and particularly the disciplinary page at http://www.massmedboard.org/public/discipline.shtm. That goes back through 2002. The disciplinary archives at http://www.massmedboard.org/public/pdf/disciplinary_archive.pdf go back through 1999. Feel free also to call the Board at (617) 654-9800. I'm sure they will confirm what I have said.

My Virginia license, number 0101232886, was issued in August of 2002, just after I moved here, and was allowed to lapse in May 2004 as by then I was certain that I was not returning to medicine. Feel free to visit the Virginia Department of Health Professions/Board of Medicine at http://www.dhp.state.va.us/medicine/ and click on "License Lookup". Enter that license number and what I have told you will be confirmed, along with the fact that there is no additional public information, meaning my license was never suspended, restricted, revoked, etc, and that I was never disciplined in any way. In fact you will see that my license is simply listed as "expired".

There was no...

self prescribing or toucing [sic] "Johnny" in "bad places".

in either state in which I was licensed. That would be public record, now wouldn't it Scotty? If it's there you'll find it.​

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me privately. I have said all that needs to be said on this subject. In fact, I have said more than I needed to say.

 

[Clay Davenport]

I thought it might have been directed at you Jim. I remembered you mentioning in the other thread that you no longer practiced medicine. Based on the person you are on these forums though, it never entered my mind that it might have been for unsavory reasons, and obviously that was correct.

I hate that you were put in the position to have to defend yourself against such childish drivel.
It did bring to memory something Scott said upon his return to this site. I'll quote my comment for contextual purposes.

You left in a positively childish manner and took along the respect I had for you until that point. You were gone, you were not missed, now you're back, there's no difference from where I stand.

To which he responded:

I'll work hard to earn that respect back Clay - I promise.

Working hard there aren't you Scott?

Makes me sort of glad I never bothered to put the time in to get involved in his site.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

sorry for the confusion

So~ for the very slow and stupid (thats me) type slowly~
Some of us are confused (thats me again)

You're not stupid, I was sloppy in starting this post.

Scott typed some nasty accusations on his site in a hidden forum? Is that right? Is that over on the Ballpythonforums.com?

Yes

Laura was able to see this hidden forum~ but Bryon could not?
Bryon saw the hidden forum through Laura's user name on their shared PC

You're catching on. hehehe

I think I got it that far~
But now I'm confused. Why is Laura posting this and not Bryon? Why is the Dr (Jim?) not posting it? Are y'all mods there as well as here? Do you want your mod membership suspended there or here?

I posted it because it was part of my resignation on Scott's site not here. Hence the confusion over the link.....I needed to make a point. And not behind anyones back.

I have always taken great pride in being a part of Fauna, that being said, I will not tolerate a friend or mod on this site being slammed behind his or her back with out some back lash from me.

Hidden forums are not a new thing to reptile sites, but, when only certain members are allowed to view and respond to such antics, what was I to do.

I initially thought about posting this in the mod forum, but with it's limited access to the general membership, I myself, could have been viewed as childish as the originator of said thread on ballpythonforum.com

This is not a "web watch" issue, it is about a direct attack on a mod and member in good standing on this site.

 

[shrap]

Scott did post this publicly on his forum in the heat of the moment. NOT IN A PRIVATE ONE. I asked him to reconsider posting that and to take it out of the public eye. Scott agreed that it was in poor taste and did just that.

Maybe you two should find out what is going on before jumping to conclusions. I am sure we have all said things out of initial anger that we wish we could take back. That is what happened here. Scott had a chance to take it back and realize the error of his ways and he did just that...... until you two super sleuths pulled this stunt.

 

[Cheryl Marchek AKA JM]

I agree to a point. Nasty things are often said without thinking them through all the way. I've done it, you've done it, if your honest with yourself we all have to admit we have done it at one time or another.

I think Scott should have deleted it entirely however~ and made an apology for his inappropriate remarks.

I also think he owes Jim an apology. Jim should not have had to open his life up the way he did~ except that the conjecture was of such a nasty issue that just the suggestion puts him in the position of guilty until proven innocent and pretty much forced him to open his life to strangers or endure nasty speculation. Thats an uncomfortable situation~ and were I Jim I would be very angry right now.

 

[shrap]

This should have never been brought here. Period. Scott did the right thing and pulled it from the publics eye before ANYONE but me seen it. I was here and on his site at the same time when this happened. He and JimO were arguing here and he posted that on his site. I responded within minutes of him posting that on his site asking him to remove it.

Why he did not just delete it instead of moving to a hidden forum only he can say. I thought he had deleted it since I am not a mod on his site and no longer seen the thread.

Again, this should have never been brought to this site. Just another case of people jumping the gun.

 

[Laura Fopiano]

Scott did post this publicly on his forum in the heat of the moment. NOT IN A PRIVATE ONE. I asked him to reconsider posting that and to take it out of the public eye. Scott agreed that it was in poor taste and did just that.

Maybe you two should find out what is going on before jumping to conclusions. I am sure we have all said things out of initial anger that we wish we could take back. That is what happened here. Scott had a chance to take it back and realize the error of his ways and he did just that...... until you two super sleuths pulled this stunt.

Ouch.....I will not argue with you Sammy, I have always respected you and I don't expect you to understand my reasons behind this. I am not a super sleuth, don't know how to check ip's and my computer skills are limited at best.
You can give me negative karma all day, but I posted this not Bryon.
I am a mod here, I represent this site, I can lock this thread or have someone else delete it, will I? Heavens no, I have no reason to vent and then delete it.

 

[shrap]

I aint arguing with you Laura. I am just stating exactly what happened because I was there when it happened. I aint taking sides. I am just stating exactly what happened because I was there when it happened. I am not justifying Scott posting that in the first place. I am just stating exactly what happened because I was there when it happened.

I just wish you would have talked to Scott before jumping to conclusions about the situation because what you thought happened was not the case at all.

Personally I am just sick of the unfounded drama that is going on everywhere I see. I use to come to the net to get a break from drama, now I go out into the real world to get a break from drama.

 

[Stardust]

Wow.

People often say things in anger. I do not believe that they "didn't mean it" but rather they don't like the consequences the words can cause. IMO

What Scott said was wrong, again IMO. Equally I am not so sure posting it here was all that great either. Perhaps posting it privately to Jim himself and letting him deal with it may have been a better alternative.

I have had the pleasure of talking with Jim though PM's, I believe him to be a genuinely nice person, He nor anyone else should have to be subjected to this kind of drama.

Sorry Laura but I think your heart overruled your thinking in this instance by posting here and may have caused greater embarrassment then what was initially done by bringing it from one public forum to another. Sorry Laura but this is how I feel on this.

Scott, I like your site, what you said was just backhanded and wrong. I personally would respect you much more at this point if you did apologize. You would not like this done to you. One would think that anything on a public forum can and in some instances will get out.

 

[BalloonzForU]

This will be my only post in this thread. Laura and Scott both know how I feel about these types of pissing matches, here on fauna.

I've text Scott's cell and PMed him so he does know about this.

It's too late, this has all gotten out. Scott, It's up to you now, do the right thing.

 

[Clay Davenport]

After thinking about it, I would have to say I'd have respected him more if he'd left it in the publicly accessible forum.
It should have been deleted entirely. Hell, it should have never been posted, but people do things in the heat of the moment they regret later. Regardless, moving the post took a public slam and made it a private slam accessible to a very small number of people.
My opinion is if you want to slam someone at least have the balls to do it where they can see it. Moving it to the private forum only made a sorry action 10 times worse by being cowardly about it.
If you're man enough to make the statement, be man enough to take responsibility for it. I don't fault Laura for bringing it here. Had the post been made on Scott's forum he could have simply deleted it. Jim should be made aware of Scott's veiled accusations, and to accomplish that meant it had to be brought somewhere else besides Scott's forum.

Scott obviously wouldn't want to make that post here or else he would get points over it. What he does on his site though is his business, but to do it in such a underhanded way is pitiful to say the least.
If he's got a problem with Jim then air it out. Be a man about it and say what he thinks. To do is in a forum not accessible to anyone else is cowardly.

 

[BryonsBoas]

Sammy ,

I just heard about the thread on Scott's site today but knew about the flare up as to why it was posted. If you say it was never started as a secret thread , then good enough for me.

Scott , I apologize for saying you started a secret thread.

As far as heat of the moment taking over. I'm sure it did on many levels for a few folks. I read the thread over Laura's shoulder and felt disgusted that the pissing match was taken to the point of running back to another site that one of the 2 wasn't a member of to start flinging poo. Your right Sammy , we shoulda checked to see why it was only some members could see it. We didn't and I responded to it publicly. Some of the insinuations in that post were far over the the line and just torqued me badly. This isn't the first instance of his using his site for his games. A permanant ban on someone and posting banners here to direct folks to a slamming thread about said banned person is different how?

I've had insinuations used about me by an ex wife to keep me away from my kids for a year. Before that was a pissing match that escalated to those on her side having me looking down the barrel of a loaded pistol . I was a hair away from dying because of insinuations. I lost a year with my kids because of hateful insinuations and that still goes on , something different every year for 6 more years , so to say the least , I know how it feels to have insinuations made without the ability to defend myself. I know the repercussions of comments and/or insinuations made publicly or privately.

I called Scott out publicly on how cowardly it was to make those comments / insinuations on a separate site and not having the sack to make them here where both are members and the good doctor could respond without having to hear it 2nd hand or distorted by other means. Not sure I could say making it private was the right thing either.
I have to call someone out at work every week for the same crap. Sniping , starting rumors , stirring up crap . Its amazing how folks will freely trash someone else privately but clam up when told to say it to their face.

Laura did what she thought was right by bringing it here. I stand by her and won't throw her to the wolves because she did what some thinks to be a mistake. She brought the fight back to where it was started for her reasons and she believed it was the right thing to do. Shes a big girl , she'll take her lumps but at least she'll say what she has to say to your face. She thinks with her heart more than not and defends those she loves and cares about freely. One of things I love about her and wouldn't ever change. Feel free think of her as you will for doing this but she did do it because she thought it was the right thing to do.