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How far is to far

Bryon,

I just dont agree with it being brought here when I think Scott realized how wrong he was and removed it from public view. The post of mine you read in that thread was when it was in the public forum still. He moved it to a forum that only he and his Super Mods could see. That is why I cant see it now. He should have deleted it, hell he should have never posted it in the first place.

But just because Laura brought it here dont mean I think poorly of her. It just means that I disagree with her doing so. We all disagree with one another at times. That dont mean we stop being friends or caring about one another.
 
The post was put up in anger.

I took Sammy's advice and shortly after "soft-deleted" it.

Moderators could see it only because it was soft-deleted -as I don't hard delete anything.

I am genuinely sorry for this error in judgement.
 
Scott Ashton said:
The post was put up in anger.

I took Sammy's advice and shortly after "soft-deleted" it.

Moderators could see it only because it was soft-deleted -as I don't hard delete anything.

I am genuinely sorry for this error in judgement.
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I should also add that neither Laura nor Bryon made an effort to approach me offline regarding this - where they could have learned exactly what happened.

And Laura - it would be great if you could keep my personal life out of this - you really didn't need to fill Jim in on my marriage issues.
 
shrap said:
Bryon,

I just dont agree with it being brought here when I think Scott realized how wrong he was and removed it from public view. The post of mine you read in that thread was when it was in the public forum still. He moved it to a forum that only he and his Super Mods could see. That is why I cant see it now. He should have deleted it, hell he should have never posted it in the first place.

But just because Laura brought it here dont mean I think poorly of her. It just means that I disagree with her doing so. We all disagree with one another at times. That dont mean we stop being friends or caring about one another.
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I totally understand your point bro. Myself having been on the recieving end that crap like that starts don't tolerate it and I will call anyone out that chooses to act in such a manner. Due to situations like that I've been put through wringers that I should never have had to go through and it was all out of spite from another person.

My friend , at no time did we think you kicked her to the curb. Friends do disagree , thats part of life. Each individual develops the way they see right or wrong from their parents and it gets shaped further by life views and experiences. Although you disagree with this thread , why it was started etc. I do agree with it having the experiences I've had.

What if you hadn't found the thread and had Scott remove it from the public? More than a few Fauna members go to that site and quite a few knew about the dust up. It took all of 10 seconds looking at the title to know who it was it about. It would've taken just a few to have read that thread and the situation could've rolled way out of proportion. On the good note you did see it and stopped it before it could've gotten out of hand. I'm sure you asked yourself what could've happened if it was not taken down and my friend , you have too much integrity to let something lik that slide. I can't let something like that slide either. There is far too much damage that can be done playing those kind of games.

I think the fight should've been brought back here , this put out for those who needed to, to answer for it. I can not tolerate those kinds of insinuations nor can I tolerate the idea of someone who is supposed to be working toward getting his respect back to do something that dirty and not be called for it. It doesn't matter to me where a person stands in my life , they screw up , I will call them on it. They do something like that I go off.

There are very very few times I disagree with you bro. This is just one of those times. I'm not wired to let something like this pass. Its out in the open , on the off chance you weren't the only one to see or it was brought up in conversation , it can be dealt with now by both parties.
 
Jim Ohlstein -

The thread in question was "soft-deleted" almost as soon as it was posted. It was never meant to be directed at you or about you. It was a rant against the arrogance of a profession rather than a specific person. I realized after posting it that it had been written in haste and did not want it to be misconstrued.

I am genuinely sorry if the post was associated with you in anyway as I am confident that nothing in that post even remotely describes who you are either personally or professionally.
 
Bry,

I know exactly what could have happened if he did not remove it. Some would have strung Scott up by his..... well lets just say boot straps since warning points have been flying lately. :)

Others may have taken it at face value and Jim could have been unjustly on the wrong end of an ugly rumor.

But it had been two days since Scott posted that and not a thing had been mentioned about it. So I figured if there was any damage done it would have already came out by now. My attitude was, there was no damage done so leave it alone.

I aint defending Scott, I told him in my reply in that thread that that was a gutter move and to take his fight back where it belonged. You know that to be the truth as well. I just did not feel that any good could come from dragging it out into the open since no damage was done.

But I understand where you are coming from as well and why you and Laura chose the path she took. We all had the same goal in mind, to stop that thread from doing any unjust harm. But like I said, I felt after two days and hearing nothing about it, that no harm had occurred. So I felt it was best to let the sleeping dog lie.

We all know Scott can be a hot head and should count to 100 (1000? 10,000?) before posting sometimes. Wearing his emotions on his sleeve is his own worse enemy.
 
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Jim Ohlstein -

The thread in question was "soft-deleted" almost as soon as it was posted. It was never meant to be directed at you or about you. It was a rant against the arrogance of a profession rather than a specific person. I realized after posting it that it had been written in haste and did not want it to be misconstrued.

I am genuinely sorry if the post was associated with you in anyway as I am confident that nothing in that post even remotely describes who you are either personally or professionally.
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Scott, as much as I have tried to do damage control on this whole thing, I have to take exception to what is in bold above. I dont think that to be the truth at all.

The timing of you posting that on your site, you know right when you and Jim were arguing and the fact you mentioned Jim not practicing anymore here on Fauna, is just too far of a stretch for me.

Do the right thing man. We all make mistakes, own up to them.
 
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Scott, as much as I have tried to do damage control on this whole thing, I have to take exception to what is in bold above. I dont think that to be the truth at all.

The timing of you posting that on your site, you know right when you and Jim were arguing and the fact you mentioned Jim not practicing anymore here on Fauna, is just too far of a stretch for me.

Do the right thing man. We all make mistakes, own up to them.
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Sammy -

It absolutely was about me being pissed off about the thing between Jim and myself. And yes I was pissed at Jim O.

What I am saying is that my rant wasn't about Jim specifically but about the arrogance of a profession. I've dealt with that arrogance quite a bit and it struck a nerve with me.


Was it a cheap shot? Did I want to piss him off? Yes.

My goal was to attack his profession not him personally. I read the thread and it was clear to me that I was being underhanded and that I did not want to even appear to cast any such aspertions on Jim personally.

I really was more mad at the arrogant Doctor than Jim Ohlstein.

When you posted I was already in the middle of "soft-deleting" the thread.

I do genuinely apologize to Jim.
 
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Sammy -

It absolutely was about me being pissed off about the thing between Jim and myself. And yes I was pissed at Jim O.

What I am saying is that my rant wasn't about Jim specifically but about the arrogance of a profession. I've dealt with that arrogance quite a bit and it struck a nerve with me.


Was it a cheap shot? Did I want to piss him off? Yes.

My goal was to attack his profession not him personally. I read the thread and it was clear to me that I was being underhanded and that I did not want to even appear to cast any such aspertions on Jim personally.

I really was more mad at the arrogant Doctor than Jim Ohlstein.

When you posted I was already in the middle of "soft-deleting" the thread.

I do genuinely apologize to Jim.
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That is the biggest pile of BS I have read here lately, and keep in mind that Dave Lawson is on a roll. That is no apology, that is a self excusing pile of crap. Scott, you have confirmed what I suspected for a long time. I could overlook you having a "stupid" moment, as we all do sometimes. But that so called apology just takes the cake. Strap on a pair, for crissake.
 
If it was a pile of crap then that just starts more drama. Take the apology and leave the fighting alone.
 
Kristin, that is a very serious accusation/implication to make about a health professional. You have no idea how much damage it can do, even when false.

Scott Ashton's "apology" was lame, insincere, and not a true admittance of his act.

He owes Jim a serious retraction and a SINCERE apology.
 
Scott, I realize I am not your father so the weight with which my next comment is judged is up to you but.....You disappoint me.

You disappoint me in that you have such a character flaw that you would even allude to such things. Whether in haste, in anger in??? that type of comment shows us one thing..... that you have a side of you that I did not know. A side of you that overrides any desire to know the other side.

You disappoint me that you cannot simply man up and apologize in a sincere manner. You sat there and made excuses for your behavior. My 5 year old does that.

How disappointing Scott. You found the Fauna door before, maybe it's time you find it again for awhile. You have a lot of growing up to do.

Griz
 
You disappoint me that you cannot simply man up and apologize in a sincere manner. You sat there and made excuses for your behavior. My 5 year old does that.
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This is disappointing to me as well.
I have always taught my children that if an apology has a "but" or and excuse behind it it then is not a SINCERE apology.

A sincere apology is one that your good side overrides the bad side, the side we all are capable of but then realizes that we let that side play in a very wrong way so we then have learned a lesson and let the good side back up there and take over by humbling and making a sincere apology.
 
I'm sorry that you feel what I wrote was insincere.

I was merely trying to explain my frame of mind (or mis-frame if you will).

I was angry and I let that anger take over.

I took a potshot at Jim and that was wrong. No excuses.

The post was taken down almost as quickly as it was put up because I realized that I had written those words in anger and a person whose opinion I highly value also pointed that out to me.

There was never a "secret thread" - when posts are soft-deleted they remain on the board but not visible to anyone but moderators.
 
Scott, if ever there was a thread that should be hard deleted it was that. This thread on Fauna is the exact reason why you should have. Someone could still see it and now it's been brought to light. While I am sorry that it was allowed to affect Jim, I for one am glad to know that you have this side to you. It will most certainly make me approach you much more cautiously.

Griz
 
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Scott, if ever there was a thread that should be hard deleted it was that. This thread on Fauna is the exact reason why you should have. Someone could still see it and now it's been brought to light. While I am sorry that it was allowed to affect Jim, I for one am glad to know that you have this side to you. It will most certainly make me approach you much more cautiously.

Griz
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Griz -

As far as my apology being insincere - I've said this before - I'm not always good at getting my point across the first time in the written word. I do much better when using the spoken word.

Yeah - in retrospect a hard delete could have prevented this - but as a policy I generally don't do that.

A brief inquiry could have also prevented this - but you know what they say about hindsight.

As far as having a "side" to me - I can let things get to me when I should just step away from the keyboard for a bit. This form of communication lacks what a face to face or verbal discussion can bring to the table. It could also be that I've been a bit wound up lately and something that shouldn't have gotten to me did. Again - not trying to make an excuse - just trying to lay out the frame of mind I was in at the time. It was a mistake - I am a human being - and although I try to be a good one, there are times when I struggle.

I've had some PM correspondence with Jim and I believe we are square. I have nothing personal against the man (I don't even know him other than here - which is hardly to knkow someone).

I've also been on the receiving end (here on Fauna) and I didn't like it. I'm going to engage my count to 10,000 rule from here on out.
 
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