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how much did you pay for that ????

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A question regarding the cost of an animal purchased over the Internet with shipping involved. If you buy a single animal for say $30.00 and it costs you an additional $35.00 to have it shipped, what do you consider to be the price you paid for the animal. I would say $65.00 because that is what you are out to get the animal in your possesion. Others would say $30.00 and I can't figure out their logic. If you purchase 5 animals for $30.00 each and shipping costs the same $35.00 what then, I say $37.00 each. Just curious to hear others opinions, and does it make a difference to you if you are buying for a pet (or an addition to your collection) or buying to resell.

Steve Schindler
 
On a single animal, I personally think of it as the total amount of money paid including shipping, your bank account would be lower by $65, not by $30.

The shipping cost, while often listed seperately as being a service cost rather than the price on the animal, is still part of what you purchased. Getting the animal to wherever you are is still part of the animal's total price, the same way that the small retail markup for electricity and rent on the building becomes part of the animal's price... You don't see shops selling you a snake for "$30 plus $35 for what it ate while it was here, the cost of it's heat and the water bill." The shipping on a snake sent directly to you is the same thing, part of the animal's total cost. Itemization is just a convenience (or inconvenience depending on who you ask).

The only time I could see it being seperated is if a larger number of animals are purchased and shipped together.

if you're buying the animals for resale... or maybe buying a breeding group... or buying out someone else's collection... And the animals are shipped with multiple animals in the same box, but there are different weights, it becomes more of a pain than it's worth to break down the exact shipping cost based off the weight of the animal, plus the weight of the packaging divided evenly between the number of animals plus the cost of packing materials, also divided evenly between the total number of animals... to get the exact cost to the nearest cent.

An example being... I sold a green tree python to a buddy of mine (who has since gone missing and dropped off the face of the earth). Since he was interested and I didn't really want them, I also sent a few BCI that had ended up with me initially because their owners didn't want them (they had been quarantined or I'd have shipped them seperately)...

Since the GTP was an adult, with a few modifications made to the packaging to keep the snakes with a greater weight from doing any damage to the smaller ones, I managed to send them all out in the same box... Shipping came to around eighty dollars all together...

A situation like that, it's more trouble than it's worth to add in the shipping cost for each animal shipped to arrive at a total price. The BCI were "free" even though most the shipping cost was for their weight.

As I said though, single animal, I'd personally say I spent $65 rather than saying I spent $30.
 
I consider the shipping cost to be seperate. That is a service I am buying from the shipping company (with the seller mainly acting as an agent for the shipping company). So, if the shipping is $35, and the animal is $250, I consider the purchase price of the animal to be $250. That is just how I look at it.
 
I normally do not consider shipping cost as part of the cost of the animal. I suppose this is more for the feeling I paid less than I really did.
At the same time, I never order a $30 snake. When it's a single animal purchase, it's much harder to disregard the shipping charges. I'm just not going to pay $65 for a $30 snake, I'll wait and pick one up at a show.
Sometimes I'll tack on a cheaper animal to an order, or I'll locate someone with several things I am interested in and that reduces the effect of shipping charges.

As far as buying to resell, I do not do that at all. If I have no intention of keeping an animal, I will not buy it. It's just me, and not an activity I choose to participate in.
 
I guess the reason I brought it up is because of all the inexpensive animals you do see listed. For those of you who sell these types of animals (normal corns or leos for example) do you sell many single animals? I suppose if one doesn't have convenient access to a show and there are no decent pet shops around you might pay the additional $35.00 to get that $20.00 normal corn but I would think those types of sales are not too common. The thing that prompted the question directly was a post on the BOI (someone was complaining about the cost of a common animal) and the seller said that the price included shipping so the price of the animal was really only about half the total cost. Like I said in my first post. I don't see it My cost for an animal is what I have to give up to get it, not what you get to put in your pocket. If its 30.00 for the critter and 30.00 for shipping I just paid 60.00 bucks for that critter.

Look at it this way. If you pay $100.00 for a snake plus $35.00 shipping and 6 months later you decide you want to sell it, what do you try to sell it for. If you sell it for $100.00 plus shipping you are out $35.00 on the deal. If you sell it for 135.00 plus shipping you break even (assuming you got a decent deal in the first place and someone is willing to pay the 135.00 plus shipping)

Steve Schindler
 
cost

Personally.........I wouldnt spend $30 shipping on anything that cost less than $100 unless I'm saving that much on the particular item. When justifying the cost to ship animals that cheap it makes more sense to look for the animal in question at a local reptile show or petshop.

William Horn
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inexpensive snake/shipping cost

Recently, I purchased an Albino Kingsnake for 65.00 shipped. There are no shows that I know of where I live. I consider the price of the snake to be 65.00, and was happy to pay that price. If I am fortunate enough to find something I want in a pet store or from a private owner, it's usually at retail or higher. That 65.00 Dollar snake might cost me say, 119.99 for example. Just the way I look at it.
 
Here's my two cents.
If I have an animal shipped to me, I tell them the cost of the animal and then the cost of the shipping. Yes, if I were going to resell the animal, I would want the price of animal + shipping.

I live in a small rural area with one pet shop in town. You had better believe if I saw a $10 animal I wanted, I would gladly pay the shipping!!!

Candy
 
pricing

When people ask me, I'll just say I paid 65 shipped or 30 plus 35 shipping, that way they can think whatever they want, doesnt really matter to me.
 
Well I was going to be quick to reply stating that yes, I believe that the price is what I paid for the animal plus shipping.

After giving it a second thought I'm now debating what happens when you drive to a show and buy an animal (or more for that matter). Of course anyone can assume that they are taking just a vacation, or it's entertaining and those expenses don't count, but...

When you pay for the additional $35 for shipping you pay for the convenience of receiving the animal at your front door. Should it be included in the price of the animal? It makes sense from an economic perspective after all that is the money that's gone from your pockets.

Regards.
 
When you pay for the additional $35 for shipping you pay for the convenience of receiving the animal at your front door. Should it be included in the price of the animal?

I'm inclined to say Yes myself... from a buyers perspective anyway...

If you purchase something off Amazon or Stales.com or any of the websites that assorted retail organizations have put up, there's usually a shipping charge (although sometimes they hide it on purchases over a certain amount, by adding it to the cost of the item (s) to begin with, the markup covering the shipping and letting them use the word "free"), if the item cost a certain amount, the shipping cost a certain amount... The total price at the end of your transaction reflects the combined amounts, the last number the customer sees when deciding on the purchase is the total cost including shipping, handling, box charges and anything else that's being tacked on...

The same goes for most retail shops... The markup is included in the price. They had to get the animal from someplace before they could sell it, very few can breed ALL their own animals... That means they paid shipping someplace too... The convenience of being able to see the animal before purchase or obtain it close to your home in the space they rent/own is certainly charged for... which is why retail markup is higher... greater overhead.

The point is... the buyer is out a certain amount, it doesn't matter that they threw away the box the animal was shipped in, they paid, at someplace in the price, for that box. The same way they paid, someplace in the price, for the heat lamps that retailer is using. The only way this would fail to be the case is when an animal is being sold at way below production cost.

I think we tend to look at it seperately for a few reasons... First and foremost, because of the need for FAST shipping and better packaging with live animals, the cost is increased and becomes more noticeable. Take the example of the thirty dollar snake that requires $35 to ship that was given originally... it just doubled the apparant cost, which stands out. Since other package types can be shipped with a bit less attention to how they are handled and not suffer any damage, or can stay in the mail for 3-5 days and you don't need to worry about watering that new digital camera you just ordered, the shipping is a LOT cheaper. I also think that most everyone who really frequents Fauna has been a seller at one time or another, some far more frequently than others but even the individuals (me for example) who are way more of a customer than they are a dealer have probably sold something at least once... So it's easier for "us" to see the cost that ends up coming back into our pockets after a sale as being the number of focus...

Even though I said it the first time I responded, I want to add it again, simply to keep my thoughts complete...

This all changes when multiple animals are being shipped. It changes in two ways... first, the dealer SHOULD reduce the cost appropriately when multiple animals are purchased... It doesn't really matter if the animal is sold "Shipped" or if it's sold "Plus $X shipping" when there are additional animals all going the same place, in the same box, it should reduce those costs. It may cost $35 to ship that one juvenile kingsnake... but shipping two kingsnakes in the same box would only cost $37-40 or so because of the extra weight (This would obviously change for really heavy species, adult burms, 'condas, 'tics, gators, really big varanids... but they are the exception and wouldn't be boxed together anyway) and the seller's charge should reflect this... If you get a package that you just paid $70 to have shipped to you ($35 x 2) and the front says $37... you'll want your $33 back. This is compounded as the number of animals goes up. And... like I said above, since it becomes more of a pain than it's worth to calculate in the shipping cost as the number of animals goes up, the exact increase for each depends on the animal's weight... there's usually a sort of "flat fee" to purchase overnight delivery to start which would have to be divided evenly between the number of animals, as would the cost of packing materials, unless one or more of the animals involved was packaged differently, which would alter the cost, then after the base rate and materials are divided up, the weights of the animals must be found and represented as a ratio of the total weight of the package with the shipping materials again difided evenly when not of different weights and the cost of the individual animals found based off those ratios of the total cost left after the other costs are found and then added to the animals in question for complete accuracy... which would often leave you having paid thirds of a cent for individual animals and I'm pretty sure nobody is obsessive enough to go through the bother of finding the number, just so they can tell you the cornsnake they just bought was exactly Thirty one dollars, eighty four and four hundred sixteen thousanths cents.

So multiple animals shipped together represent a seperate matter just because it's more trouble than it's worth... but single animals, the service cost is part of the cost of the animal, you're paying for the snake, if obtaining the snake means shipping it, that's part of the total cost of the snake... otherwise you could pay for it and have it sit 2000 miles away in the care of the original owner, they could stick a sign on it saying it belonged to you until you go and pick it up.
 
"Great looking male pied 02 hatch. Feeding on F/T or live mice/rats your choice. Weighs 350 grams plus. Asking $12,500 plus shipping by Delta."

In the quote is just an example of what I don't like to see in an ad (not criticism, just personal preference). If someone asks that much for a snake, he might as well include shipping charges in the total price. It's like shipping a $100 snake during the cold winter months and charging the buyer $1 for the heat packs, for a total of $101. If I'm going to invest $12,000 in a snake I will probably ask for a rebate large enough to pay for a round-trip air ticket to go and pick it up in person.

Regards.
 
Personally, If I were going to purchase a $12,000 snake I would buy a plane ticket to pick it up. How ever I do not see why the seller should eat the cost of shipping. Being in the retail business when I sell higher end animals I will get that price from a walk in customer or say someone local so why would I deserve to make less of a profit just because I am shipping (ie: the buyer is out of town)? Anyway thats just my opinion. If you don't like the fact shipping is extra don't buy it. (by the way this is Amphirites- Kim Anderson, I have to post on Ken's name until the webmaster lets me know why I can't log into mine with this new server)
 
I'm not sure Alvaro was suggesting that the seller should eat the shipping cost. Just that he should include it in the price. I kind of agree, to me $12600.00 shipped to your door sounds better than $12500.00 plus shipping. Being a retailer myself I know what you mean Kim, but it does sound kind of cheap to ask for an addition $100.00 (or whatever delta charges) on an animal that already costs $12,500.00. I'm not saying it is being cheap, I am just saying it sounds kind of cheap.

Alvaro, Sorry if I am putting words in your mouth, thats just the way I read your post

Off topic, to Kim (and other retailers) Don't you just love it when people come to expect the owners of small retail operations (be it pets or anything else) to give them a price break when they would never in a million years ask someone like a Sears or Home Depot or Petco to come down on their price. These big places are the ones that could afford to do it but they won't because cash flow usually isn't a problem. They can afford to sit on stuff. The little guy who probably can't really afford to knock 50.00 off the price, just might do it simply because he needs the money to pay the utility bill tomorrow.

Steve Schindler
 
Thanks Steve, that was my thought exactly. It sounds cheap, I'm not saying it is, just the perception from a buyer standpoint.

Regards,
 
Sorry, I actually kind of realized that after I posted. I to would have already added the shipping into something like that. But just like you guys said (may make them sound cheap ;-) but isn't it really just semantics?) You know your paying for transportation somewhere in there wether it is mentioned or not. I do not deal over the internet (mainly out of a retail store) so I am not use to thinking in these terms. Just like we divide any shipping costs, to us, among what is shipped so the price is included when we pass it on to the buyer. (And yes, our prices are are resonable but sometimes because we are a small business people want to deal like they are at a flea market. I think they just do not realize the overhead to bring them what we offer, and we have the best selection, healthiest animals in town, it is aggrevating!) Kim Anderson
 
Kim,

It might be semantics as you say. But from a buyer standpoint it seems that if I'm going to pay that much I would expect the shipping to be included. Again, in my example. I'm selling to you an animal in $100 but I want to charge you $1 for the heat pack for a grand total of $101. I'm not saying it's wrong and the seller is supposed to pay for it. It's just that it looks better if you include it in the price. Just perception! :)
 
If the wife asks I paid, $25 period!! (and the shipping was thown in) Just deliver it when she's not home and hide the reciept.
Dave
 
This kinda goes along with the first question

I have seen several ads where a snake is say $250, with a buy 2 for $500 shipped. If I buy 2 am I really getting free shipping? Would the seller know off an extra 450 or so if I pick them up? If he does then shipping is not really free is it?
 
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