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How much do you ship a month ???

Would you be for a yearly "speacial reptile shipping account" for $100.00

  • Yes I would Pay$100.00 to be able to ship reptiles for a year

    Votes: 13 68.4%
  • No I would not pay $100.00 a year to ship reptiles

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Why should I ? I am doing it for free now

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • I think $50.00 a year is a better amount for me

    Votes: 1 5.3%

  • Total voters
    19

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Please post the amount you ship out each month


This is to get some idea of how much the carriers are potentially cutting there selves out of each year. I URGE ANY AND EVERYONE TO POST HERE even if its 5-10 packages a month


Please also post even if you only buy animals / supplies as this would account for there revenue
 
Im not large now but heres what i average

on a monthly basis right now I am shipping less then ten packages a month.


10 x $40=$400 a month
$400 a Month x 12 months = $4,800.00 a year



A basic simply guideline like this so that it is easily tabulated would be appreciated
thanks to all who participate in this
 
This time of year(Sept-Feb) about 10 a month

10 x $40=$400 a month
$400 a Month x 6 months = $2,400.00

But March to about August it increases to about that a week
10x $40=$400 a week
$400 a week x 26 weeks (6 months)= $10,400

Total yearly = $12,800
 
9 packages a week on average X $35 per = $315 per week
52 Weeks X $315.00 = $19, 370

We ship about twice that dollar amount in dry goods per week. Currently we are trying different carriers on the dry goods and this portion whichever company your talking with will need to be competitive. The drygood market is cut-throat and everyone's trying to squeeze the most out of their shipping $$ in that arena.
 
Daniel please post drygoods

please post that amount aswell , as i am planning on talking to the carriers once there is a substanial amount in $ figures here to let them know of there potenial gains/losses if doing this
so by all means the dry goods will make a difference as far as dollar signs go in there eyes . once i decide to go further with this and address the carriers UPS-FedEx-Airborne i will post a draft letter here so that all will know which way the ball is going and be kept up to date with this action.
 
Dry goods = 60 packages a week (average) X $10 = $600
52 Weeks X $600 = $31,200 per year

I don't want to take the wind out of your sails but $50K a year to UPS is chicken scratch. I would focus on the overnight shipments (more profitable for UPS) as any volume of dry goods is going to be negotiated separately by the sender to get the best deal (if I can save $1 per package that's almost 1/2 the rent on our building per month). Your point should be that supplying a shipping solution that no one else offers will net them 100% market share for that group. By taking this route instead of trying to show a huge unrealistic dollar amount (they'll never get 100% market share of the dry goods arena) they are more liable to take you serious as it looks as if your homework has been done.
 
I'm not a dealer, nor do I buy and resell herps. I ship only what I produce and do not sell locally wholesale. So my annual shipping will be at most 50 packages, so $1750 per year currently.

As for the $100 per year to ship reptiles, I voted no. The reason is there is no justification at all for the charge unless we are getting more of a service than a shipper of anything else would.
For instance if they guarantee live arrival, or allowed the shipping of venomous with the special account then it would be justified.
As it is my shipping a hatchling carpet python is no different whatsoever than Daniel overnighting me a scale, as far as Airborne is concerned. The hatchling snakes poses no additional requirements or liability on the shippper so in my opinion the charging of an additional fee is discriminatory and unjustified.
 
I agree Clay more

i agree that the hatchling snake poses little or no more threat to the shipper then say a lizard or a turtle ( they all can bite )

With proper packing there shouldnt be any threat to that shipper or anyone else in the transit process.But i was using the $100 annual fee as a Feel to see how many people would be willing to pay the minimal amount to have a shipper service breeders that may be producing say 100+ baby snakes a year and need to move them via overnight services.

For instance if they guarantee live arrival, or allowed the shipping of venomous with the special account then it would be justified

at best here all we could hope for is the ability to guarantee live arrivals shipping venomous may be a ways down the road.

But i think if the need be the $100 fee to ships snakes would be an incentive i for one would be willing to pay to do buisness. If you think about it we pay for everything we do in a buisness and in our private lives ... taxes to drive our cars ,boats ,etc
 
Clay,

You are 100% correct that it is unfair.

Recently (last 6 months or so) there was an article out about how some animal rights activists were pressuring airlines to track any "issues" with live animal shipments. First thing the airlines stated was a "threat" to stop live animal shipments. This is the corporate response to any real or perceived threat from a lobby group. Overcoming this "paranoia" about liability will probably need financial incentive.

Unless you feel you can push a class action lawsuit to require carriers to ship snakes it's going to be an uphill battle to provide an incentive for the carriers. With lizards, UPS normally requires a daily pick up account. This is account has a charge associated with it (granted you do receive another service benefit) but the primary purpose is to increase the account fees and encourage a volume of shipments (the fee is less the more you ship).

Course, I also got in a verbal confrontation with the city clerk worker on what special services I get now that I've paid their "business license" fee (maybe a seminar, free classes or how about a donut and coffee at least), so I understand the aversion to paying. :D (Note: She was less than impressed)
 
at best here all we could hope for is the ability to guarantee live arrivals shipping venomous may be a ways down the road
I doubt we'd even get a live arrival guarantee. That's no problem with me though, a properly packed animal will survive shipping with little more than a few days stress to deal with, barring carrier mishaps like misrouting it to Alaska.

We do pay to do everything in life, anything that could possibly add another dollar to the government coffers just to have the "privledge" of doing anything enjoyable, and I resent every dime of it.
If you offer to pay a $100 fee to ship reptiles they will take it, I'm just saying there's on reason at all for it. If they refuse to guarantee live arrival, which I bet would be the case, and the animal is properly packaged, then they are taking no extra risk, burden, or liability in accepting reptiles for shipment and in my opinion deserve no extra funds for doing so.
The majority of people are not shipping 100 packages per year, and many would only ship 10. These people are going to attempt to ship under the radar anyway because such a fee would be cost prohibitave.

Overcoming this "paranoia" about liability will probably need financial incentive.
I don't know what degree of liability they might expect, but a signed waiver absolving them of any and all liability and placing responsibility on the shoulders of the shipper would seem to me to accomplish the same thing.
The only fly in the ointment is carrier delays. Regardless of the contents, packages are occasionally misrouted, overlooked, or otherwise arrive late.
Unless you feel you can push a class action lawsuit to require carriers to ship snakes it's going to be an uphill battle to provide an incentive for the carriers.
I actually believe this is a possibility except for the cost of it. Take Airborne for instance. They allow the shipping of turtles but not snakes. USPS allows lizards, but not snakes. It can be demonstrated that a small snake poses no more threat to anyone than a tortoise, so by then allowing some but not others it is discrimination. I could understand posing a size limit on snakes allowed for shipment, and refusing venomous, but to accept some totally harmless reptiles while imposing a blanket ban on snakes regardless is wrong and I do believe a court would rule in that way. The result however may be the opposite of what is desired. The shippers would be right in either banning all animal shipments or allowing snakes along with lizards. They'd likely take the first option.
With lizards, UPS normally requires a daily pick up account. This is account has a charge associated with it (granted you do receive another service benefit) but the primary purpose is to increase the account fees and encourage a volume of shipments (the fee is less the more you ship).
And to bring in some revenue to compensate them for all the days they come to you when you have nothing going out. The daily pickup account fees are applied equally regardless of what you are shipping, it's not just for lizards shippers.
A fee just for the ability to ship reptiles would penalize us for no reason.
Some sort of fee may be an option, but an across the board fee of $100 is wrong. Someone shipping 10 boxes per week can easily factor that into their prices, but why should someone who ships 10 per year be assesed the same fee when they are responsible for a fraction of any perceived liability.
 
First thing that will happen if you start talking to UPS about their level of liability on live shipments is that they will stop listening to you and start thinking about how they can diplomatically get you out the door.

You HAVE to take that responsibility onto your own shoulders. Plainly state to UPS that you will NOT hold them responsible for live delivery, and your packages will NOT even be insured. You want to remove or at least reduce their perceived liability in accepting our business. All we want is for our packages to get to the destinations on time. Period. If they don't, the best we can hope to recover would be the shipping charges, but even then, in a case like this, the sqeaky hinge would get thrown out the door.

Is it risky shipping a valuable shipment without insurance? Yep! But look at it from their angle. Would they really want to accept a package with live contents insured for $20,000 and have that hanging over their heads for a $40 fee to ship it? I know I wouldn't!

Much of what killed us with the shipping companies is because some unscrupulous people shipped stuff that was already dead when they put it in the boxes and then filed claims for it. Yeah, they got away with it for a little while, but look where it got us now. I talked to an Airborne Express rep about this happening back when they first shut down reptile shipments. They have NOT forgotten about this.

Shipping venomous? No way. You go in even hinting at such a thing and it will immediately be a dead issue. There will be a perceived risk to their personel as well as a liability issue if the package were misdelivered and some innocent party opened the box to see what was in it. They are going to balance sheet the gains and losses, and a possible huge liability lawsuit would kill the whole idea in a heart beat.

Matter of fact, bringing up the shipping of ANYTHING they may even think is dangerous will greatly hinder your case. BIG snakes or BIG lizards will scare them away for sure.

Get a toe in the door first. If you raise any red flags at all, they will say NO rather than looking like a fool trying to pass that idea on up the chain of command.

In a nutshell, you have to convince them that this is all a plus for them with no liabilities at all on their part. They really don't NEED our business so you have to sell them on the idea that they have everything to gain, and nothing to lose because of it.

Try to get in contact with Ben Sparks. He had UPS do a trial shipment period with him a while back. Apparently it went well, but some dealer on the west coast botched it up somehow. But he will have some contacts and perhaps some history they can refer back to.
 
Hey guys

I fully realize the unfairness of a $100 fee to small time shippers does seem like alot.I my self ship very little each month so i know where you are comming from trying to rationalize this factored in .But if you think about it in the Big scheme of things adding in $10 per shipment isnt a bad thing.But you also can look at the other side of things over a years worth of food , bedding etc etc do you ever really gain this back? id have to say no way .


Far as trying to get some level of assurance on any guarantee of anything more then the ability to ship with them is realistically going to be futile at best. The reasoning in another thread i had listed a few things that we may as shippers would agree to this listed several things that would aleive the shippers of any and all liabilities on there part.to accept our buisness.

Far as shipping venomous that really should be kept to what ever shipper that does do this and let them have that market as Rich said any mention of this is going to be nipped in the butt right off the bat by any overnight carrier.
And Rich thanks i couldnt remember who it was that had started this endeavour last yr so now ill try to get in touch with Mr Sparks to see what if anything he may have that would help in this venture
 
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