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[KelliH]

And you've been around long enough to know that people say things in the heat of the moment especially when they are being attacked and falsely accused and they tend to attack back.

This thread is about nichole and the attempt of diversion by her and ed are the cause of comments made after wards including yours and now mine. While yours may have little if not nothing to do with this thread or the BOI it is still here nonetheless.

The BOI is a place to inform others and nichole is informing us of how she has and will handle things in the future. This thread is adding to the already tarnished reputation of hers as well as ed's.

The BOI is also a place to give advice and as ill suited as you think Jeff's comment was I see it was sound advice.

You see it as sound advice, I see it as sophomoric foolishness. There is a forum for those kinds of comments on Fauna but I have to hope it is not the BOI anymore.

In any event, I did look over the forwarded email and it looks to me to be sent from the email address that Ed says it was. Of course that is only my unbiased opinion, whatever that is worth.

 

[deborahbroadus]

You see it as sound advice, I see it as sophomoric foolishness. There is a forum for those kinds of comments on Fauna but I have to hope it is not the BOI anymore.

In any event, I did look over the forwarded email and it looks to me to be sent from the email address that Ed says it was. Of course that is only my unbiased opinion, whatever that is worth.

Thank you, Kelli.

 

[aleria]

What doesn't work for me with this whole email to Ed soliciting a donation thing are the following.
1. I have never seen someone alter their writing style randomly between forums, emails, IM's, etc. So for them to suddenly send an email to Ed that has absolutely no proper capitalization, punctuation, etc. when every other thing I've seen typed by them is very proper, doesn't fit. Not surprisingly the writing style fits the posts I have seen from Nicole.
2. Not one mention of a name anywhere in there as to who the email was even from. No "Hi this is xxx from xxx" or "Thanks, xxx" at the bottom. Now who sends an email to someone that they don't regularly speak to, especially requesting something like a donation and doesn't include any form of greeting or signature? Nope, not happening, does not make a single bit of sense there.
So my request is this, for those out there that were sent a donation request from Wise by email, if you still have a copy of that first email that matches what Wise is claiming they have sent out, it would be great if you could post it. Proof that they didn't suddenly write up a template and claim that's what they would have sent if they sent anything at all.

 

[ForkedTung]

Sorry Iraq I am not the liar here Wise Reptiles is. They want to change their story and lie about me I will show everyone this screen shot Publicly. They told me on the phone they wanted their name off because I am associated with Ed Clark; then change the story to "Because I have a BOI" . Here is an email from them to Ed asking for him to donate to the benefit auction; no offence I don't have any BOI's near what Ed dose so their story makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

This is a screen shot from my AOL Email of the email sent to Ed

I can't control what you want to believe nor do I care to but if I was someone else reading this I would see Wise Reptiles story as very Fishy. I broke my I will not be posting anymore and now I am posting for the last time you have my proof what they said to me was on the phone there is nothing else to say.

Have fun with whatever bash fest you are going to start I am out of this

Oh OK, That clears it up, now I know why pictures of your animals are five times brighter than they are in reality and why your EXIF data shows Photoshop.

 

[DAND]

What doesn't work for me with this whole email to Ed soliciting a donation thing are the following.
1. I have never seen someone alter their writing style randomly between forums, emails, IM's, etc. So for them to suddenly send an email to Ed that has absolutely no proper capitalization, punctuation, etc. when every other thing I've seen typed by them is very proper, doesn't fit. Not surprisingly the writing style fits the posts I have seen from Nicole.
2. Not one mention of a name anywhere in there as to who the email was even from. No "Hi this is xxx from xxx" or "Thanks, xxx" at the bottom. Now who sends an email to someone that they don't regularly speak to, especially requesting something like a donation and doesn't include any form of greeting or signature? Nope, not happening, does not make a single bit of sense there.
So my request is this, for those out there that were sent a donation request from Wise by email, if you still have a copy of that first email that matches what Wise is claiming they have sent out, it would be great if you could post it. Proof that they didn't suddenly write up a template and claim that's what they would have sent if they sent anything at all.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about ed forwards the e-mail to a third party and then have one of the donation requests forwards to the same third party to compare them. Up for that ed?

 

[deborahbroadus]

And you've been around long enough to know that people say things in the heat of the moment especially when they are being attacked and falsely accused and they tend to attack back.

This thread is about nichole and the attempt of diversion by her and ed are the cause of comments made after wards including yours and now mine. While yours may have little if not nothing to do with this thread or the BOI it is still here nonetheless.

The BOI is a place to inform others and nichole is informing us of how she has and will handle things in the future. This thread is adding to the already tarnished reputation of hers as well as ed's.

The BOI is also a place to give advice and as ill suited as you think Jeff's comment was I see it was sound advice.

Was going to leave this alone, but it's really bothering me. The BOI did not (or last I heard) become a place to defend friends against someone that has a bad rep..at least without PROOF.

Not saying the Wises are lying, but I don't take anyone's word against even the worse scammer without some kind of impreachable/or almost impreachable back up.

Even the worse liar can tell the truth once or twice in their lives...I am just aware of that.

 

[DAND]

Was going to leave this alone, but it's really bothering me. The BOI did not (or last I heard) become a place to defend friends against someone that has a bad rep..at least without PROOF.

Not saying the Wises are lying, but I don't take anyone's word against even the worse scammer without some kind of impreachable/or almost impreachable back up.

Even the worse liar can tell the truth once or twice in their lives...I am just aware of that.

Guess you should have since you are basing your post on incorrect information. You implied that I am friends with the Wise's which is not correct. I was contacted by them as I am contacted by numerous people on here Fauna and asked for advice. I gave them advice and warned them against dealing with nichole and as it turns out it was sound advice. While I can understand not taking anyone's word without impeachable (I'm guessing that was the word you were attempting to use) back up I do suggest trying to use common sense.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Guess you should have since you are basing your post on incorrect information. You implied that I am friends with the Wise's which is not correct. I was contacted by them as I am contacted by numerous people on here Fauna and asked for advice. I gave them advice and warned them against dealing with nichole and as it turns out it was sound advice. While I can understand not taking anyone's word without impeachable (I'm guessing that was the word you were attempting to use) back up I do suggest trying to use common sense.

My response wasn't based on YOUR friendship or lack.."friendship" here is a general term meaning perhaps that people may like everyone better than Ed and Nicole and be willing to believe anyone other than Ed or Nicole.

I didn't use common sense? I thought that was being impartial enough to be listening to both sides of the story instead of jumping to conclusions. While the one jumping to conclusions can sometimes jump to the right ones..this is not always the case.

 

[deborahbroadus]

You see it as sound advice, I see it as sophomoric foolishness. There is a forum for those kinds of comments on Fauna but I have to hope it is not the BOI anymore.

In any event, I did look over the forwarded email and it looks to me to be sent from the email address that Ed says it was. Of course that is only my unbiased opinion, whatever that is worth.

Kelli, is there anyway at all that the data could have been doctored/manipulated?

For example, could Ed himself went there and sent himself an e-mail? (...this is just getting too twisted for me).

 

[DAND]

My response wasn't based on YOUR friendship or lack.."friendship" here is a general term meaning perhaps that people may like everyone better than Ed and Nicole and be willing to believe anyone other than Ed or Nicole.

Were the above true then why did you quote me. Were it a "general" response I would think no one would have been quoted.

I didn't use common sense? I thought that was being impartial enough to be listening to both sides of the story instead of jumping to conclusions. While the one jumping to conclusions can sometimes jump to the right ones..this is not always the case.

By your own admission posted above you are jumping to the conclusion that "people may like everyone better than Ed and Nicole and be willing to believe anyone other than Ed or Nicole."

 

[HowlinGaleDragons]

I do not think I will be posting after this because most of you are slinging #### around and not on topic what's the point? I might post if people could respond in a much more professional and mature manor. Now I am off to work



1. I NEVER Told Wise Reptiles I was doing to clear my name they have proven to me they are strait up liars.

2. Don't even trying to accuse me of that email the email is exactly as it was sent to me; if it was some how altered and I am NOT saying it is; it was done with out my knowledge.

3. The BOI has gone to he@@ it use to be better than this with everyone not going every which way and slinging @@@@ like they are now.

OFF TOPIC
4. I have a lovely BOI On Reptile Depot but guess what I haven't posted it because most of you would just attack me and not look at what it is about.



Now as far as I know I don't think a sent email can be altered? Who knows maybe I am wrong but why not have a Mod check the IP on ed's email to the IP of Wise Reptiles on fauna I think I have seen them do that before when people had more than one account.

 

[capt._howdy]

1. I NEVER Told Wise Reptiles I was doing to clear my name they have proven to me they are strait up liars.
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Nicole why would they what do they have to gain with lying.

 

[capt._howdy]

wow i meant to say is Nicole what would they gain from lying.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Were the above true then why did you quote me. Were it a "general" response I would think no one would have been quoted.

I quoted you, because your post seemed to personify the issue I wanted to address.

You said:

DAND=And you've been around long enough to know that people say things in the heat of the moment especially when they are being attacked and falsely accused and they tend to attack back.

This thread is about nichole and the attempt of diversion by her and ed are the cause of comments made after wards including yours and now mine. While yours may have little if not nothing to do with this thread or the BOI it is still here nonetheless.

The BOI is a place to inform others and nichole is informing us of how she has and will handle things in the future. This thread is adding to the already tarnished reputation of hers as well as ed's.

The BOI is also a place to give advice and as ill suited as you think Jeff's comment was I see it was sound advice.

DAND=By your own admission posted above you are jumping to the conclusion that "people may like everyone better than Ed and Nicole and be willing to believe anyone other than Ed or Nicole."

I don't think I jumped to any conclusions based on what I read in several posts that outright accused Nicole of lying right off the bat (she could well be...but experience has taught me to wait and see), poked fun(guilty) at her engagement to ED and accused her of falsifying the email. Maybe the BOI works that way for some, but even in a civil court, evidence must be presented.

She presented some evidence..now it remains to see if that evidence HOLDS UP. That's all I want to know..the rest is drama.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Ok.. What I DONT understand here is why a screenshot of the supposed email though. And, from the copy of the email that I got, why not just a forward of it? The source code of the screenshot on the email that I received listed an IP adress which, Jeff told me is his actual IP address BUT, why would it have Nicoles business name instead of the name associated with the Wise's Comcast acct?

Kelli, I know you said that you deciphered it unbiased, and I do believe the unbiased part of it. But can you say with 100% certainty that it was, in fact, sent by them? I dont think that Jeff and Christina would have anything to gain by lying about the email, especially considering that I was on the phone with them when they received the screenshot.

 

[Iraqvet]

I do not think I will be posting after this because most of you are slinging #### around and not on topic what's the point? I might post if people could respond in a much more professional and mature manor. Now I am off to work



1. I NEVER Told Wise Reptiles I was doing to clear my name they have proven to me they are strait up liars.

2. Don't even trying to accuse me of that email the email is exactly as it was sent to me; if it was some how altered and I am NOT saying it is; it was done with out my knowledge.

3. The BOI has gone to he@@ it use to be better than this with everyone not going every which way and slinging @@@@ like they are now.

OFF TOPIC
4. I have a lovely BOI On Reptile Depot but guess what I haven't posted it because most of you would just attack me and not look at what it is about.



Now as far as I know I don't think a sent email can be altered? Who knows maybe I am wrong but why not have a Mod check the IP on ed's email to the IP of Wise Reptiles on fauna I think I have seen them do that before when people had more than one account.

First off,YOU are the who cant act PROFFESIONAL!!.Your fraudulent ways will catch up to you more and more as time goes on...Please dont say you are a proffesional,unless you are talking about being a proffesional cheat,liar,and bad customer service dealer...Now,you say you don think the email was doctored,but if it was,it wasnt to your knowledge...CAN YOU AN ED NOT TRUST EACH OTHER THAT MUCH????..Seriously,I mean you both are so snakey that you would snake behind each others backs..What a relationship..I dont know about the reptile depot thing..Only thing that came up was that crummy pet store in CA that dosnt send what you order,and then wont give you your money back..I didnt see a BOI on there Nicole??And I hardly think anyone is saying anything good about you anyways..Sorry if I come off mean,I just believe you bring it on yourself...Maybe you should be better at what you do,and treat people better..Try to not be so greedy..

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Nicole told me that she didnt want to post a BOI thread about Reptile Depot because she felt it would become about her. In other words, she feels that we would all be biased against her.

Nicole, I would suggest you make your BOI post regarding your transaction with Reptile Depot. It becoming about you should or would be considered off-topic anyhow. The only thing that I can see people saying is "what comes around, goes around".

 

[DAND]

Was going to leave this alone, but it's really bothering me. The BOI did not (or last I heard) become a place to defend friends against someone that has a bad rep..at least without PROOF.

My response wasn't based on YOUR friendship or lack.."friendship" here is a general term meaning perhaps that people may like everyone better than Ed and Nicole and be willing to believe anyone other than Ed or Nicole.

I quoted you, because your post seemed to personify the issue I wanted to address.

I don't think I jumped to any conclusions

You may want to rethink things and maybe reread your own posts.

 

[Iraqvet]

Oh,I mis understood that..Well lets see...If its bad,yeah yeah what goes around comes around,and I wouldnt feel bad for you in the least..Plus they have a thread on here that you could have looked at..Now if its good,then yes dont post it,cause its just gonna get flooded with their bad guy stuff...They are one of the worst pet stores ever,and people shouldnt get the impression they are good..As there are people here who still havnt got what they ordered,and still havnt gotten a refund cause once you pay them your cash turns into store credit only...And even of you order somthing else,they still dont send it...But if you feel you gotta post a good guy thread,I guess there is honor amongst thieves...

 

[deborahbroadus]

You may want to rethink things and maybe reread your own posts.

OT:

Chuck said get out of his shoes, they don't even fit.

Back to the matter at hand...any further information on the E-mail?