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I am confused

Randy F said:
single gene animal. It should have had another name but at the time it was unknown to what it really was. It was suppose to be "linked" to the granite gene. In many cases you cannot see the granite so some either say its there in theory or wait to prove it. I have seen them produce non-hgw granites. The soul sucker is a two gene animal produced by leser. The Sloan brothers have shown what a hgw x mojave produces to take it one step further. There is a whole thread about who is lying about the granite gene and covered up what..........its all bs. Every big breeder is going to try and conceal stuff at first to corner the market, thats business and they should not be blamed for this. Now they should not make stupid statements that will come back and bite them in the rear. The hgw makes some crazy combos and does not have draw backs like the desert. Males and females produce, they have crazy combos and have a lot of potiential still. I have a bunch of pairings planned for the future with mine. I think people just need to think before they buy..........$17,500 for a soul sucker!!!!! Give me $10,000 and I will buy you dinner, movie and a massage! (especially Amanda!)
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I didn't even see this LOL. Randy, I might just have to take you up on that $10,000 offer...as soon as you send me some animals I can use to make $10,000. :thumbsup:
 
BallBoutique said:
HGW.

Hidden gene woma.

Ok what does it mean? I am totally ignorant to this meaning. Can someone explain this to me at a fifth grade level? [That is why I never got into this type of animal.]

I hear people say that this animal can and does show that it has this trait. If you can look at an animal and KNOW it has the hidden gene then why is it called hidden?
If you look at any heterozygous animal such as albino, axanthic, or pieds they all look normal yet they all carry the "hidden gene" for the visual morph. If you breed heterozygous animal to a heterozygous animal you will get out of four eggs one visual morph and three sixty six percent heterozygous. [two heterozygous and one normal. We can not tell what one carries the gene for the above morph.]
So back to my question is what does a normal woma look like and what does a hidden gene woma look like? Pictures please.:thumbsup:
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Rick here is Kevin's founding animal off of his facebook page that was also in the other thread.
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Here is the founding dam of my Hidden Gene Woma line freshly out of shed
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Not here to prove anything to anybody but these are the true facts. Kevin himself posted this on his face book page. I am out for good as I don't care what you guys think
 
BallBoutique said:
HGW.

Hidden gene woma.

Ok what does it mean? I am totally ignorant to this meaning. Can someone explain this to me at a fifth grade level? [That is why I never got into this type of animal.]

I hear people say that this animal can and does show that it has this trait. If you can look at an animal and KNOW it has the hidden gene then why is it called hidden?
If you look at any heterozygous animal such as albino, axanthic, or pieds they all look normal yet they all carry the "hidden gene" for the visual morph. If you breed heterozygous animal to a heterozygous animal you will get out of four eggs one visual morph and three sixty six percent heterozygous. [two heterozygous and one normal. We can not tell what one carries the gene for the above morph.]
So back to my question is what does a normal woma look like and what does a hidden gene woma look like? Pictures please.:thumbsup:
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Rick I also forgot to mention earlier that once in a great while you might come across a Woma that almost looks like a HGW, but that does not mean it is. Again, the only "real" way to know is to see what it produces. Once you make a legitimate Soul Sucker with one...then you know for sure.
Again, animal that looks similar to HGW, but no Soul Suckers= regular Woma.

Same situation as when you see those Pastel's that are REALLY nice. The one's that have you thinking it might be a Super Pastel...then you breed it to a Normal and do not make all Pastels, it becomes clear that it is just a really nice Pastel and NOT a Super.

Just thought I'd add that so there is no confusion.
 
radera5 said:
Rick I also forgot to mention earlier that once in a great while you might come across a Woma that almost looks like a HGW, but that does not mean it is. Again, the only "real" way to know is to see what it produces. Once you make a legitimate Soul Sucker with one...then you know for sure.
Again, animal that looks similar to HGW, but no Soul Suckers= regular Woma.

Same situation as when you see those Pastel's that are REALLY nice. The one's that have you thinking it might be a Super Pastel...then you breed it to a Normal and do not make all Pastels, it becomes clear that it is just a really nice Pastel and NOT a Super.

Just thought I'd add that so there is no confusion.
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:iagree:

and feel free to disregard Joe's post...as he has no proof that his woma is anything more then a NORMAL WOMA...I'm sure everyone has read the BOI about it, along with Joe's many other attempts to crash this hobby. Joe please do not hijack this thread to try to advertise your fake HGW's or to continue to confuse people. Save your stuff for your BOI thread where it belongs!! until you can prove without a doubt to everyone in this industry that you know what your talking about.
 
Willow said:
:iagree:

and feel free to disregard Joe's post...as he has no proof that his woma is anything more then a NORMAL WOMA...I'm sure everyone has read the BOI about it. Joe please do not hijack this thread to try to advertise your fake HGW's or to continue to confuse people. Save your stuff for your BOI thread where it belongs!! until you can prove without a doubt to everyone in this industry that you know what your talking about.
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Why is Joe's animal not a hgw?
 
Notice the thinner solid black webbing and lack of blushing along with the more golden body color, it looks like a spider ball python...perfect comparison to the REAL hidden gene woma that has THICKER, blushed webbing and a soft brown body color...Joe's animals also make offspring that look exactly like normal woma offspring. Obviously a HGW wouldn't do that.

But from now on....lets all to go to the BOI if we would like to discuss Joe's animals. Don't think that conversation belongs here.
 
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Doesn't the eye Colorado or lightness of the eyes help tell the difference also? I have noticed that in a lot of photos hgw have lighter eyes than normal womas.
 
Snake-Queen said:
Doesn't the eye Colorado or lightness of the eyes help tell the difference also? I have noticed that in a lot of photos hgw have lighter eyes than normal womas.
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I agree...my normal woma has dark eyes. No gun metal or silver or blue tints at all. Maybe a little greenish yellow like a pastel, seems pretty standard. Hidden gene womas do have more intense eyes, and those eyes only get more intense with every combo.
 
Hey Joe, great example of a real HGW (Kevin's) and a normal (YOURS). To me the differentiator is the thicker band spacing, the flames and the eyes.
 
hey Rick this might be easier.........take a look at the blushing one of mine. See how blushed out she is and how you can see the calico looking white coming in along with some granite spots. Its not just a coloration of shading. I also think that Kevins looks like it is a fully grown adult that may be going into shed and the second one is in a small tub and just shed meaning it will be much lighter. As with any snake, look at the combos it makes to decide if you want to get into that project and then chose the quality of animal you choose to invest in.
 

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Let me preface this post by saying I do not own a Woma or a HGW.

If you can tell a YB from a normal, then you can probably tell a HGW from a Woma. If you can't, then you probably can't. As babies, it is pretty obvious to me, which is which. As adults, at least with Kevins original adult, it is not so obvious to me. If you have a real YB, you should get an Ivory, if you have a HGW, you should get the HGW crosses. If you do not get Ivories, you do not have a YB, if you do not get the HGW crosses, you do not have a HGW.

Dave
 
The head is a huge determining factor and flames. In my opinion, there is more then just two woma lines possibly floating around, ie maybe a mutation happened at some point? PHR, I wish, for the sake of others who may be involved, that this would just get dropped. So, Joe, maybe we could just stay on topic of answering a question in this thread on how to identify, rather then turning this into more of the same that is on BOI? I think that thread is more then enough to swallow with its 30+ pages of both parties being unable to type a simple post and get their point across.

Edited it April! :)
 
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Warning: please watch the posts, this is treading awful close to the BOI thread. general discussion of what makes a morph or what markers to look for is fine but this is heading towards a fine line.
 
Rick your question has already been answered in the BOI thread that covers Joe's animals. This conversation does not belong here.
 
Can we say a Woma & a HGW are like a Butter vrs Lesser? A Sugar vrs Calico? A Mystic vrs Phantom?
Can we say it is along those lines?
One that looks close but does something different when mixed with other morphs.
Thus making them a different morph with a name that confuses us..lol
 
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