I got tagged by a Gaboon!!!

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

OK I'm very tired, so i'm not to sure how to go about explaining what a dumb-a$$ I am maybe after some sleep I'll go more into detail about what happened to me last night, my brain is still a bit foggy so dont expect much today.

Im making this post in the the hopes that it might make someone think twice about getting into HOT's

If you do some searches you see that I do have some experience in keeping Hots, but at this time I know longer work with any venomous reptiles of my own, anyway last night I was helping a friend feed his large boa collection he also keeps 2 Gaboon Vipers I took 2 unthawed rats out I picked up the rat with 18 inch hemostats when i opened the front of the cage I tried to angle the hemostat in my hand so that my hand wouldn't be in striking range this is where I made my stupid mistake the snake struck instead of at the rat it nailed me in the right index finger it happened so fast I didn't even have time to react actually I just froze there for a second, I looked down saw all the blood but there was absolutely no pain, I stuck my finger in my mouth and sucked really hard I noticed a strange taste that I never tasted before, immediately my friend secured the 2 Vipers we went to call 911 but with scrambling around and panicking we couldn't find the phone he yelled to me to get in the car and he drove me to the hospital fast!!!!. It seemed like the longest trip of my life.

I was waiting to feel the symptoms of being invenomated but there was no pain just some bleeding and maybe a bit of a panic attack. upon arrival to the emergency room things got more tense for me when i realized the hospital staff had no idea how to handle the situation they were asking all kinds of questions I was getting irritated I gave them some info and contacts and not to long after I found out some antivenin was on its way but after about 35 mins past I realized there was still no symptoms so it had to be a dry bite! At this time I started to calm down a bit. Anyways I am kinda tired and I will reply more to this after I get some sleep. My point to the whole post is even a experienced hobbyist like myself can make 1 stupid mistake that could of cost me my life.

PS sorry if im ramballing I need to go for nap!

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

You know that drive to the ER I said that seemed like it took forever, I was just anxious the be in the hand of professionals! but to my horror this just wasn't the case, well not at first, when I entered the ER and got the attention of the ER nurse, I told her that I had been bit by a African Gaboon viper! and that I needed medical attention an fast!! she was more concerned about if I had my health cared or not (paper work) and then she wanted to take my temps and blood perisher, I said what I need is a Doctor and NOW!!!

OK so Im finely in a ER bead and they hook me up to all the monitors stared a IV and start with the questions, like why were you playing with poisonous snakes, did you bring any antivenom, who should we call to get some? I even had to set the pace a bit know-one even knew how serious this could be!!! and after they talked to poison control and a few contacts that I gave them like Toronto Zoo, Buffalo Zoo, seaway Serpentarium, I started to get some serious attention.

I did start to feel a but better about the ER Doctor he seemed to be clewing in very well, and let me know that there were many venomous experts in contact with him, but at this point in time I was already sure I was out of the woods, enough time had passed and I knew it was probably a dry bite.

Hey guys Id like to apologize to everyone, I know that every-time someone screws-up like I did it can and sometimes does effect are right to keep reptiles, I'll stick with non venomous for now-on!

 

[SPJ]

I know exactly how you feel.
I was tagged by a copperhead (a hot native to the state) and no one at the ER knew what to do. They tried to restrain me to apply a pressure bandage!
Thankfully after all of the ordeal, I knew I got a dry bite and left.
They were more concerned about paperwork and treatment that would CAUSE MORE damage than the bite than listening and reading the protocol book I brought with me.
Turns out I had to fit the bill (thousands of dollars) since the insurance denied it. I was ripped. Make me pay for their botched care.
Good luck to you. I can sympathize. Sometimes accidents happen and you hope the medical professionals can help. Too bad most can't.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

I know exactly how you feel.
I was tagged by a copperhead (a hot native to the state) and no one at the ER knew what to do. They tried to restrain me to apply a pressure bandage!
Thankfully after all of the ordeal, I knew I got a dry bite and left.
They were more concerned about paperwork and treatment that would CAUSE MORE damage than the bite than listening and reading the protocol book I brought with me.
Turns out I had to fit the bill (thousands of dollars) since the insurance denied it. I was ripped. Make me pay for their botched care.
Good luck to you. I can sympathize. Sometimes accidents happen and you hope the medical professionals can help. Too bad most can't.

Well hopefully Im not the only-one that learnt a lesson , maybe the hospital that I went to will be better equipped after my visit.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Wow, im glad it was only a dry bite in the end!!! i cant believe the hospital would allow that sort of action to be taken?? Paperwork first THEN help!??? I would deff get in there and write a letter to complain. People should get help first, THEN worry about paperwork...

I hope that your story influences more to avoid Hot snakes as "That cool pet"

Glad youre okay!!!

 

[SPJ]

I hope that your story influences more to avoid Hot snakes as "That cool pet"

You know what really ironic. He got tagged by a snake that wasn't his and I got tagged by one that wasn't mine.

I think it's time for people to stop "helping out" with hots. LOL.

Glad you're OK and posting. A bite from a gabby is not something I would ever want to deal with.

 

[Tim Cole]

If you can't spell it, DON'T play with it!

I say this light heartedly because you did not suffer a bite from a Gaboon Viper. Nothing like a rude wake-up call.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

I say this light heartedly because you did not suffer a bite from a Gaboon Viper. Nothing like a rude wake-up call.

Sorry my brain is a bit sticky today lol

 

[ldydrgn]

Glad to hear you are ok.

I have one quick question, though. What did you mean by "unthawed rats"?

 

[WebSlave]

Paperwork first THEN help!??? I would deff get in there and write a letter to complain. People should get help first, THEN worry about paperwork...

One thing many people fail to realize is that a hospital is a BUSINESS. And they are in business to make money. So yes, they are going to check on your ability to pay for services they render. If you are heading to the emergency room, make sure your insurance card is in your hand when you go in through the door. If that had not been a dry bite, those few minutes wasted could have been critical to the outcome.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

Glad to hear you are ok.

I have one quick question, though. What did you mean by "unthawed rats"?

lol You know what I really meant

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

here's my guess as to why I'm still here, just a guess.

the hemostats were 18 inch curved at the end, my had I thought was shielded at the bottom corner of the cage there is a 2inch lip on the front of the cage top, bottom and sides. I think she hit the handle of the hemostats (the round ring that my finger was threw) venom must of secreted (squirted) out at that point and the fang bounce off and slightly slashed the skin.

There was immediately a lot of a lot of blood for a tiny wound!? when I sucked the the bite site there was a strange taste, I spit out a fare amount of blood as well, it continued to bleed for about 20 minutes no bruising or pane at all, so there was defiantly venom, I know I tasted it, but maybe only on the surface of my finger.

see thread on Clark's forum

 

[Rattlesnake]

Have you thought of what the consequences might have been if you would of had an open sore in your mouth? It would have spread the venom twice as fast than if you had of been envenomated by the original bite.

 

[Great Lakes Reptiles]

Have you thought of what the consequences might have been if you would of had an open sore in your mouth? It would have spread the venom twice as fast than if you had of been envenomated by the original bite.

no thats the problem I wasn't thinking, putting my finger in my mouth was just a reaction. (maybe a hollywood reaction )


I almost forgot!
they did some blood work on me, a lot friggin blood work!!! one of the tests showed elevated enzymes that would indicate that I was having a hart-attack ? my ER Doctor was very confused about that, everything else was good hart-rate oxygen saturation 100% blood pressure was normal, so they did more blood work, it still showed up??? when he finally let me go (he new I wasn't staying any longer)I was told that if I started to feel sick to come back immediately!

 

[Rattlesnake]

Well, thank goodness you are all right and that it was a dry bite. I think getting tagged by one of these very large venomous snakes is one of the worst bites a person can take. What with the amount of venom they are capable of injecting and the depth those large fangs are capable of reaching on a human.

 

[darkbloodwyvern]

glad you are ok!
your friend should have an ANTIVENOM if he is owning a non-native hot!! He should know how to be able to deal with that kind of thing and instruct everyone who is helping him as to how to deal with a bite! You could have died, that should tell him something. If the local hospital doesn't carry antivenoms for your snake, someone could sue you if they or their family member gets bit by it and suffers damages. Expecting a North American hpsiptal to have antivenoms for a friggin AFRICAN snake is kind of ridiculous. I'm really glad you survived and hope there aren't any lasting consequences. You really should bother your buddy about buying antivenoms, he really should be covering his tail from a lawsuit and make sure that if anyone gets hit by any of his hots, that he can keep them from having to do what you went through.
I just worry that someday someday a lame law will be passed banning all snakes because of perceived threats from hots, and it's really tragic to think of the people who get hurt because the hot owner wasn't prepared for the inevitable bite. I'm really glad you are ok and didn't need the hospital's help -hope they don't send you a huge bill !

 

[Gerlow]

God thing youre alright

Maybe, try to post you story on venomdoc.? Im sure Dr. Fry can explain the bloodtest results

http://www.venomdoc.com/forums/

 

[joshdhensley]

glad you are ok!
your friend should have an ANTIVENOM if he is owning a non-native hot!! !

It sucks when we slip up when handling hots, but sometimes it happens. Sometimes it is very bad, too! Your friend should really consider keeping his own antivenom with a bite protocol near it to take with you to the E.R. in case of another accident. Be safe.

 

[WebSlave]

here's my guess as to why I'm still here, just a guess.

the hemostats were 18 inch curved at the end, my had I thought was shielded at the bottom corner of the cage there is a 2inch lip on the front of the cage top, bottom and sides. I think she hit the handle of the hemostats (the round ring that my finger was threw) venom must of secreted (squirted) out at that point and the fang bounce off and slightly slashed the skin.

There was immediately a lot of a lot of blood for a tiny wound!? when I sucked the the bite site there was a strange taste, I spit out a fare amount of blood as well, it continued to bleed for about 20 minutes no bruising or pane at all, so there was defiantly venom, I know I tasted it, but maybe only on the surface of my finger.

see thread on Clark's forum

Well I think you were DARNED lucky! The fang(s) hitting the hemostat rather than embedding in your finger probably saved you from one heck of a serious time in the hospital. I doubt it had anything at all with a dry bite. I doubt that happens very often in a FEED RESPONSE strike.

 

[SPJ]

glad you are ok!
your friend should have an ANTIVENOM if he is owning a non-native hot!! He should know how to be able to deal with that kind of thing and instruct everyone who is helping him as to how to deal with a bite! You could have died, that should tell him something. If the local hospital doesn't carry antivenoms for your snake, someone could sue you if they or their family member gets bit by it and suffers damages. Expecting a North American hpsiptal to have antivenoms for a friggin AFRICAN snake is kind of ridiculous. I'm really glad you survived and hope there aren't any lasting consequences. You really should bother your buddy about buying antivenoms, he really should be covering his tail from a lawsuit and make sure that if anyone gets hit by any of his hots, that he can keep them from having to do what you went through.
I just worry that someday someday a lame law will be passed banning all snakes because of perceived threats from hots, and it's really tragic to think of the people who get hurt because the hot owner wasn't prepared for the inevitable bite. I'm really glad you are ok and didn't need the hospital's help -hope they don't send you a huge bill !

Hospital do not stock the AV and most will not use what you bring so that is a mute point. Have you ever seen the incompetency that is prevelant in the ER regarding envenomations? Most will refuse to administer AV brought in by the bite victim because they want to cover their asses since they do not know what to do. They are afraid to use it since it might be a way to sue them. As long as you participate in an AV bank, it is available. Just have to make sure the doctors actually get it.
Having the data with you on what to do means NOTHING. I brought a protocol book and the ER refused to look at it, refused to listen to me, and went about attempting to treat it wrong. But hey, what do I know compared to conceited doctors who think they know everything. And mine was a native hot. They should at least know how to treat a bite from a hot found right outside their doors.