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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

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I am in need of a female albino ball, i have an axthantic i want to try to produce some snows as you all realize that will take yrs however well worth the pay off!! I have the next 4 yrs to do this i can send u something i value dearly such as my siser lol no seriously anything i have for sale you can ever breed them while there are in your possessiona nd keep all the profit but i want to be notified when they breed and how many r layed or hatch.

No this is for real!!
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am in need of a female albino ball, i have an axthantic i want to try to produce some snows </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>


Since crossing an amelanistic animal with an axanthic animal will just produce animals that are het for both traits, in order to get the final "Snow" morph lacking both the melanin and the xanthin you'd need to cross the offspring to one another which would give you approximately 1/4 the clutch displaying the desired trait... Which is just inbreeding  and, while reptiles don't show the effects  as quickly as most mammals, it's not acceptable.

Perhaps I have you confused with another young kid who can't or won't spell correctly and seemingly goes insane with the shift key on occasion but... Weren't you having a number of problems keeping reptiles in general? Why would you even attempt to undertake this project? The fact that you  either don't think you need more animals that posses the traits or seem to feel that inbreeding is acceptable just shows that you don't have the ethical mentality that should be in place before any breeding takes place...

There's a thread on this board Entitled "Breeding, What animals?" I suggest you read it as it applies to you every bit as much as the original poster who was asking for advice.

Doing something RIGHT is more important than doing it fast or doing it easy. I may need to add that to my signature.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i can send u something i value dearly </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Why would anyone trust you enough to send you their animal? You  do not come across as being very trustworthy for a few reasons... I certainly wouldn't trust anyone who was giving themselves four years to inbreed offspring for  a fairly limited payoff and a lot of possible double hets. I also wouldn't trust anyone who communicates so poorly, there is ANOTHER thread entitled "First Rule of Buisness, How to  Succeed"  that you should read as well.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">anything i have for sale you can ever breed them while there are in your possessiona nd keep all the profit </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

So what you are suggesting is either a trade or a breeding loan... Again I ask you, what do you offer that would prompt anyone to consider giving you a  fairly  expensive animal for  an extended duration (Although you  wouldn't need it for four years unless you screw up the initial clutch provided  you still intend to inbreed the het animals the original crossing would produce)  when you communicate so poorly and seem to have such a minimal grasp on the genetics involved?  Especially when you do not offer the offspring of this proposed breeding as compensation as would be normal for a breeding loan... but instead offer... "Het Snow Boas" without any proof because you "lost the paperwork", D'alberts, A "Pastel Ball" which is an enormously dubious "morph" as it's a quantitative trait rather than a simple dominant/recessive which is "probably stolen" and some Mandrin rats  and no pictures of any of them... Might I say, Not bloody likely  anyone would want any of that nonsense. Not in exchange for their healthy animal that they could use to produce neonates themselves...

And lastly... Since you're essentially offering a trade or asking for a breeding loan... WHY DID YOU POST THIS HERE RATHER THAN IN THE WANTED OR TRADE FORUMS?!

To those who once critisized me for saying that I didn't like kids much and lectured me on "The Future of the Industry"...

If this is the future of the industry, then they can have it. I'll start collecting stamps rather than deal with this kind of ignorance. It's certainly not all young people... and certainly there are adults who perform similar actions but the display of this kind of attitude makes me want to  write nasty letters to my local school board and stop paying taxes until they fix these kids. I'm certainly not perfect with the way I write, but I can generally be understood without three minutes of staring at nonsense and having to try and figure out what it would be phonetically only to have the reader discover I'm asking for something ridiculous.

It's acceptable to lack information or knowledge in specific fields but the individuals lacking that knowledge tend to avoid that area... I would never try to fly a plane because I have no experience or education that would allow me to do it properly. There seems to me a disturbing trend for people to attempt things with animals that they simply do not have the background to do properly... They know this, they acknowledge it but they continue onward pigheadedly despite overwhelming advice reccomending they stop or begin in the proper manner... In this field, the only thing that suffers for it is the animals. What these individuals should do is take up amateur aircraft  building... if they go about it the same  way they approach herps, the problem will cease to exist in fairly  short order.
 
Patrick,

Who did you buy the axhantic from? Is it from a proven line?

Best regards,

Daniel
 
Seamus,
I think you may be thinking of the kid who had all kinds of problems with keeping leopard geckos, and is still trying to get more herps. Despite everyone telling him he shouldn't.
 
This is the kid that claims to have bred African Rock Pythons, among others back when he was 12.  I posted that I was skeptical as to whether or not this actually happened.  I believe you posted in that thread as well.  Anyway, I agree with most of what you said.  Patrick, what you're asking is ridiculous....
Lucas

P.S.  I'm 19, and I really have to agree with ya.  I don't think that my entire generation is destined for failure.  I know a lot of really smart people.  And, I also know some smart, honest people that are in to reptiles.  But, a lot of idiots around my age do seem to have aspirations as reptile breeders/brokers/killers/stealers.....
 
Seamus.... don't sugar-coat it? Tell him straight! lol

Did I write that thread and send it to you???

I deal with these kids all day long.... I can't tell you how many people walk in the store and ask me for "One Mice, Please?".... and you wonder why I'm bald??? One lady asked me for a "Small Jumbo Rat".... when I said to her that that was a great oxymoron.... she thought I was cursing at her??? It's really disgusting.... it's turning into a society that will only speak Ebonics, even for Americans, English is becoming a foreign language! I'm just glad I'm old!

....Neil
 
That's not ebonics.  That's ignorance.  Is "ebonics" supposed to be capitalized?  lol
 
Lucas.... didn't you hear about the Ebonics Beauty Pageant that was held last week??? Yeah, they were only able to get 49 States, because nobody wanted to wear I-DA-HO !!! lmao

....Neil
 
Not all young ones are ignorant to the facts.I myself am only 20 and I have had a few sucessful breedings.But I must also say without relying on the older generation of herp lovers I would have failed miserably.They have saved my behind plenty of times from tough situations.Im just hoping one day Im the one giving the advice.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Not all young ones are ignorant to the facts.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I said it in the original post but it was buried... and then a  young individual I know on AOL reamed me for those statements this morning so...

Not all young people are like this. The ones who are not  often go undetected as it were unless they mention their age specifically or you meet them in person. Either way, there are plenty of bright, intelligent young types who can spell and communicate (And type faster than me to yell at me).

After the lecture I got this morning about writing off entire generations, I'm starting to wonder if maybe there are just a few kids from the "special class" who feel a need to wave their ignorance around like a rallying banner, demanding attention to their lack of experience and knowledge.

What's worse is that some seem to be able to become semi-functional adults without correcting these problems.

Again though, I intended no offense to young people in general and I know quite a few who can "out herp" me any day. I simply don't remember these kinds of people getting involved in this kind of activity (which really requires some brains and ethics to do properly) when I was that age and it seems to have crept up underneath me. Those exhibiting these mannerisms may also be simply louder and more noticeable (For instance, I never would have guessed that Lucas was 19) so they seem more numerous than they actually are...

"There are seven of us and only one of him!"
"Yes, I have you outnumbered."
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you may be thinking of the kid who had all kinds of problems with keeping leopard geckos, and is still trying to get more herps. Despite everyone telling him he shouldn't.

This is the kid that claims to have bred African Rock Pythons, among others back when he was 12.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ah. I do have trouble keeping them straight half the time...

our mabye i GUSt gaT confYouSd wiT da tyPEN!!!!!1111111

I think you may be right though, They're simply typing in "ignorance" and I'm trying to read it in english. I need some sort of on-line translation program and there isn't one on google or babel.
 
I know that this will take a while at least 4 yrs i have more time then most of you do and if you don't have to do anywork and have a unused albino lying around e-mail me, very funny about my sis i was palying but shes <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??  

"I also wouldn't trust anyone who communicates so poorly, there is ANOTHER thread entitled "First Rule of Buisness, How to  Succeed"  that you should read as well."
Ease up, i know for a fact you have spelled many things wrong and its not easy typing with a keyboard that freezes and a modem.


"This is the kid that claims to have bred African Rock Pythons, among others back when he was 12."
Come back with me to when i was twelve and prove me wrong then.

This was an idea as many people are always wanting a "snow" ball but don't have the time or the money to start it i know that RDR's dbhl hets are 20,000$ does anyone here have that kind of cash lying around? or willing to spend it without even having snows?

When i first thought about this it sounded good wit of course a few problems but i never thought of so many, ill just sell soem stuff and buy my own albino then and "try" to make my own.....its weird tho...people jump on the chance to make fun of the little people, next tiem you guys make a mistake or need anything don't ask!!!!!!!!!!!!! It won't happen!!!!! Trust me i try to be nice and jsut ask and i get bashed i try to state what i did and do and future plans and i get bashed so....what exaticly can you put on the boi without being bashed i ask??? heres the answer nothing..after my stuff is sold i am gone....thats a promise!!! Or if it doesn't sell ill go to Lees at least noone bashes you for who you are just waht your animals are like.....Act. I am gone now screw this don't expect any replies unless i am desperate or bored i got ripped asked for your help and look i still don't have anything!!!!

Anyone here wanst anything get back to me before i talk to webslave.
 
o wait a sec. i spelt playing wrong i am sop sorry that you can't figure out what i am trying to say with it but......reptiles, snakes, and rodents o my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I know some of you are very nice and i am not talking the few of you, the people who have done bussiness with me know i am not a rip off even if the deal goes sour, anyone with anything important or just want to make fun of me send it here: [email protected] o and i more then likely won't reply to them, or aolim also i hope that you all get screwed buy peopel on here i know who are selling stuff thats not theres and have no interest in sending you anything!!
Now have fun and get lost!!!!!!!!!!!

Those of you who are clos eto me know why this is getting to me so easily!!

None of you have even had the guts to call me, or see me at a reptile swap or even bother to talk to me at tinley all because i was 14? whats up with this?
Anyone who wants to get a hold of me better do so soon i ahev more important things to deal with!! yet, i try to make tiem fo rmy only real hobby that brings me joy yet you all screw me over!!!  Same for all (Most not everyone) you!

Also theres people on here younger then me posting crap that you wouldn't think twice about buying yet you know my age and refuse to do bussiness with me? Guess what? they're all in Il and i would have been willing to try and help anyone who got ripped now i think i will help them get your stuff!!!!!!!! Instead of being against after all it doesn't have anything to do with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have fun, and Happy Halloween thanks for making this yr and esp. this month a living Hel* for me, Anyone who wnats to bash me in person see you at Lees this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just page me!! Don't expect me to be friendly about it or anything sorry about all this rambling not!!!!!!!!!!

Webslave don't delete this its my last post and want it to stay!! so you can attract more low lifes to your site....
 
Patrick,

First off, you are surely bright enough to realize that many adults are not going into business with anyone who is a minor on this scale of project, much less just loan out such an expensive animal.  It isn't a strike against you, just common sense.  You should also be bright enough to realize that anyone in their right mind is going to question that a teenager has a Axanthic ball python worth $7000-$8000.  You may very well have exactly what you claim to, but you can't expect anyone to just take your word for it.  Most of us wouldn't take another adult's word for it, much less someone who is under age.

Second, regarding spelling and basic grammar, that is an integral part of good business.  If you cannot communicate clearly, you are going to lose business - professionalism is a must.  If you want to conduct business with adults, you need to come across as well spoken and mature.  Name calling and insults are simply proof of inability to act maturely.  I am not saying you have to use big words or anything of that nature, just write/speak clearly and make sure what you write is clear and spelled correctly.  Yes, we all make spelling errors, that is a given.  A freezing keyboard and modem are hardly excuses for taking your time and proof reading what you write before hitting submit.  I, too, have a modem and a keyboard that occasionally sticks and it hardly affects my ability to post intelligently.

Lastly, you said you've asked for help and no-one gave it to you.  I saw where you were advised to post it on the BOI with the facts and names.  That's about all you can do unless your parents choose to step in and see if they can persue some sort of legal action.  I saw no post that treated you badly or belittled you.  If you want to be treated like an adult, you need to act like one, or at least like a mature, responsible teenager.  Respect is earned, not owed.  Giving a little respect goes a long way towards earning it.

Dianne
 
Patrick,

You wanted to be treated as an adult, you were treated as an adult would be, told a few honest facts in a frank manner... And you now complain about people being mean or  cruel.

You can't have it both ways. Either you're an adult and can be treated as one in that matter or you're a  child and need to be coddled and have the truth hidden from you.

Make a descision so I know if you need "fwuffy nice widlle wesonses" or if you can be treated as  a rational, thinking, responsible human being. I have hesitated to say this before simply because it was rude but... What you proposed  was just plain stupid your plan, your proposal for the breeding loan, the entire thing just showed this astounding lack of brains.

I was fairly respectful in my original response, I treated you how I would any other adult who proposed the same thing. You complain that people are abusing you because you're young and they can't see that you're capable of professional dealings and breeding projects generally undertaken by individuals with a strong understanding and a good deal of experience... But the fact that you complain about the frank and honest assesment just proves that it's true. Your  response only helps support my thoughts that you are not ready for this sort of undertaking at this point (Not that it was going to happen ANYWAY because it was a ridiculous request) and cause me to question if you should even have animals.

Adults... competent, rational adults...  can deal with critisism.
 
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Patrick,

Although you said you are not going to post anymore maybe you could answer my previous question. It was a straight question and I was expecting a straight answer if you were serious about your business proposal.

Best regards,
 
Patrick.... you are working on a totally wrong impression.... there is nobody here that would berate you for just being 14, it's the way you are PERCEIVED, when all we know about you are your typed words.... I'll give you a PERFECT example.... scroll through the threads, and find the one about PEG'S PETS.... in that thread, you will find some posts by a 14 year old GIRL!! She is probably the most intelligent, well-spoken, rational, educated, and street-smart 14 year old you'll ever want to meet! And her typing and spelling skills (at 14) are IMPECCABLE!! If she had written to me about buying one of my animals, and she didn't mention her age.... she'd have that animal on her doorstep TOMORROW! The point being, it's not how old you are, it's how old you are PERCEIVED!!
I'm 50, and FAR from perfect! If I don't know (or am unsure) of the spelling of a certain word.... I have a DICTIONARY sitting RIGHT HERE! I USE IT! That's the only way you're ever going to learn and get better.... and, above all.... RE-READ WHAT YOU JUST TYPED BEFORE YOU HIT.... "ADD REPLY"! You'll be amazed at what you'll be able to find AND FIX, BEFORE you put your words out into the WORLD for ETERNITY!! Is that the way YOU want to be remembered?? I don't think so, or you wouldn't be putting up a fight to get your "name" back!
Again.... it really doesn't matter if you breed the rarest snakes in the world! If you can't communicate with the people that want to BUY your snakes.... they WILL NOT BUY THEM!
The MOST IMPORTANT thing you could do for yourself right now.... even if you have to ask your parents for help.... DO NOT send anything out, BEFORE IT IS PERFECT!! You will be AMAZED at the amount of increased respect you will get from everybody! Take your time, think about what you want to say, type it down quickly, then.... GO BACK OVER IT WORD BY WORD!! How many times have you seen posts by ADULTS who can't spell and don't know the correct way to form a legible sentence?? They are PERCEIVED as being "not so bright".... would YOU rather deal with someone who might have trouble grasping the concept of a new idea, or someone with PERCEIVED intelligence?? It's a no-brainer, isn't it?
With your "go gettem" attitude.... you could probably really make a niche for yourself in this business.... IN THE FUTURE!! For NOW.... LEARN ENGLISH and the proper way to use it, and, obviously, learn how to spell.... if you can understand that I'm REALLY only trying to help you.... try following my advice, and see how well it works!
Good luck!

....Neil
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since crossing an amelanistic animal with an axanthic animal will just produce animals that are het for both traits, in order to get the final "Snow" morph lacking both the melanin and the xanthin you'd need to cross the offspring to one another which would give you approximately 1/4 the clutch displaying the desired trait... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Actually if you were working with only one recessive trait....then it would be 1/4.
But since you are working with two recessive traits...
then it is 1/4 x 1/4 which equals to 1/16

Math and Ratios is my thing.
Spelling and English is definately not.
But then again....I use to have excellent grammar and spelling skills....Until I came to this country.

No offense meant.  It is just in the phillipines we were always acustomed to speaking correctly and always being corrected if we didn't.
Here in the states...if you speak correctly no one can understand you.  They start thinking you are a nerd. Or you are to stuck up.  Or you are uncool.  None of that means anything to me know.....but growing up it sure meant a lot.

Looking back on it......I can't believe I let idiots who can't speak their own language influence me.  sheesh
 
This is the time frame you'll be looking at for this project.
Maybe next year eggs from an axanthic and an albino. Now you will have a cluth of double hets. So after 3 years they will be old enough to breed and on the 4th year you'll have some eggs. Now in a 1/16 chance of a snow. you could get really luckly and get a snow that year. But most likely you'll have keep breeding them for years to get that one snow. You really need to plan on at leaste ten years to do this project.

Also if your axanthic is not proven then this should be the first thing you do, and this will take about 4-5 years. As for doing a breeding loan. 99.9% of people out there will not do breeeding loans at all. Then when you get into high dollar animals. It goes down even more. The reason being is why send you an animal they can breed themselves and make a profit.
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually if you were working with only one recessive trait....then it would be 1/4.
But since you are working with two recessive traits...
then it is 1/4 x 1/4 which equals to 1/16
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Good point Ritchie, I must not have been thinking properly when I wrote that post... Going to try posting a picture of a Punnet square online here, it may turn out sideways...

Calling "A" normal melanin and "a" amelanistic...
Calling "X" normal xanthin and "x" axanthic...

First Cross is easy enough, aaXX crossed with AAxx will produce 100% AaXx offspring, het for both traits.

Second Cross, I try to place a graphic on here, should be interesting to see if I have the slightest idea how to do THAT anyway...

AAXX would be normal animals, AaXX would be het for albino, AAXx would be het for axanthic, aaXX would be albino, AAxx would be axanthic, aaXx  would be albino het for axanthic, Aaxx would be axanthic het for albino, and aaxx would be the snow morph... So I stand corrected (reminded) that it would be 1/16th snow morphs and an even bigger load of possible hets.

Which just makes it even more unlikely that it would

1) succeed based off the way this kid seems to run through animals on his classified ads... Has one up selling 2.2 d'alberts, another looking for 1.1 to buy...

2) succeed based off the genetics involved combined with the small clutch sizes of ball pythons

3) get started period because he still hasn't proposed a normal 50/50 split breeding loan but apparantly wishes to continue to offer the highly questionable animals already in his posession and his request is simply ridiculous.

4) get started because apparantly he can't deal with adult critisism, he wants to be treated as one would any other herper, but only when it  comes to positive things rather than the honest interpersonal interactions that genuinely help. He wants money and animals to go in his direction without needing to prove himself capable of earning them. Coddled into the industry doesn't work.

Ah well, if this graphic fails to show up and anyone has a photo hosting account and doesn't mind giving me a hand getting it up, I'd appreciate it.
 
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