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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is my point?
The point is.......think about it.
What are your chances of getting the same breeder loan?
You have less expereince with these animals.
You do not have breeding expereince.
You have proven yourself to be a liar time and time again.
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Plus the obvious... Females don't usually get shifted for breeding loans. The male is sent to the owner of the female, after copulation, it is sent back. He wanted a reverse of that with terrible credibility and without the normal breeding loan split of 50/50 on the offspring, offering imaginary animals instead.
 
That ball in the pic Daniel looks similar.
"Plus the obvious... Females don't usually get shifted for breeding loans. The male is sent to the owner of the female, after copulation, it is sent back. He wanted a reverse of that with terrible credibility and without the normal breeding loan split of 50/50 on the offspring, offering imaginary animals instead."

WOW!!  I'm sorry i didn't know that you can only do breeding loans with female balls??
Now this fourm was for someone with an EXTRA FEMALE albino ball who WAS WILLING TO loan it out.
Also i didn't say any details as i thought this would happen it would be a 50/50 split in the END!! You can't take his babies as they would be hets then i couldn't breed those back to the dad.

Ritchie, you mean last year was your FIRST time actually breeding??

Dam* i thoought you where a hel* of a lot bigger than that for some reason?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?? For a 31 yr old to just now be breeding on purpose is strange for me but i can see how and why.  Evan, post pics without a camera or a scanner?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? Ok sure Evan, you seriously need to loosen up man, last time i talked to you, you where all u tight as nothing sold as where you gt your animals Darin was right behind you interesting isn't it???  O and put your snakes in YOUR pants lol im sorry if you can't remember but i do................................As for this whole thread and fourm i WILL more than LIKELY have everything that must be gone for sale at Lees!!!!
 
Ritchie i have owned many reptiles since i was 5 but my obession with snakes since i was 7, i have actually been in this business for just a little less time than you, but yet have done more why???  I just can't find that answer Ritchie?? Do you have it, and MY AUNT AND GRANDMA BOTH TOLD ME THESE WHERE HETS FROM P.K and i know what a het is and no, i am notnew to this business, Justyn.  Now as for if its a db or just a het idk as i wasn't informed i also know that she found papers and they where feeding records recepits etc.

Justyn, you want to play a game of snake and mouse now??? Try to be the one with the pack as you feel you have to be???
 
Wait a minute.... Am I missing something here???

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...Do you have it, and MY AUNT AND GRANDMA BOTH TOLD ME THESE WHERE HETS FROM P.K and i know what a het is and no, i am notnew to this business, Justyn.  Now as for if its a db or just a het idk as i wasn't informed...
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Are you NOW telling us that the snow boa and the xanthic are HETS??? NOT the REAL animal??? This is getting curiouser and curiouser....
so, basically, if you show up with a NORMAL baby boa and ball python.... THAT'S what we're supposed to believe??? You are TOO MUCH!!.... hahahahaha

....Neil
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WOW!!  I'm sorry i didn't know that you can only do breeding loans with female balls??
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In a breeding loan, the male is usually sent to the owner of the female for a number of reasons... Ease with whicjh the genders tend to settle down and start copulating, the fact males are smaller and easier to transport  and most of all... the fact that you  want to avoid shipping a potentially gravid female if you can. They don't always "miscarry" easily but it's generally not worth the risk. A stressful move in improper temperatures after multiple copulationd over a time frame of a few weeks (for boids anyway) when the first few may have taken...  Just seems foolish when there is virtually no risk in moving the male. I'm not really sure what your comments meant ther  either but I took my best shot off what I think you may have been saying... Or trying to say anyway.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also i didn't say any details as i thought this would happen it would be a 50/50 split in the END!! You can't take his babies as they would be hets then i couldn't breed those back to the dad.
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If you're trying to produce snows and dealing  with two recessive traits, breeding back to the father wouldn't even give you the genetics you need since your supposed axanthic that was to sire this clutch of double hets has normal melanin genes... Which would blow the project entirely. Besides which, it's apparantly only four days old or some such... which is a bit early to breed.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ritchie, you mean last year was your FIRST time actually breeding??
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Might I ask... So what? There are a number of positive things to be said about Ritchie... among them the fact that he isn't fourteen years old, illiterate and seemingly the stupidest human being walking the face of the planet who doesn't have twenty four hour supervision to  ensure they don't hurt themselves... Pat, you sure your first name isn't Lenny or Forest or perhaps Fezzik?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i know what a het is</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Obviously you don't if you think that crossing het for axanthic het for amelanistic animals with a full axanthic will produce Snows...

I goofed and overlooked the genetics involved myself but I at least have the excuse of making a mistake rather than simply never having know the basic principles involved.

Hey Pat,  can you answer the following qustions...  Just about this proposed breeding loan...

How old is your supposed Axanthic?

Can you explain the genetic traits involved by defining the vocabulary used and giving a brief rundown of basic mendelian genetics?

Why would you want a female shipped to you rather than  sending your male off to fertalize a few females and then be returned?

Why would you propose someone take extremely dubious boas that started as "het for snow" then changed to snow... then proven... then babies rather than a normal 50/50 split on any offspring produced?

Where did you get this supposed axanthic ball python?

Why do you not understand that many places that develop normal film  will place your pictures on a disc or CD for you at a minimal cost (Disposable camera=$10-15 Photo Processing + Picture CD= maybe another $10-15 tops... An offer of something like $160 if you can provide identifiable pictures last I checked (take the bet with neil that you have the animals for the extra $100))?

I hate to have to  ask this but... In all seriousness, do you have some form of brain damage or any sort of developmental delay that would explain your inability to read, write, tell anything remotely connected to the truth, understand why everyone knows you're lying, prompt you to keep lying when you've been caught and lastly, insunuate in ANY way, shape or form that you're more competent than Ritchie?

Hell, label yourself more competent than me too and I'll send you copies of my transcripts and thesis... You'll enjoy them  even if you won't be able to understand them. But of course personal experience, college, the ability to read... those mean nothing compared to the skills you have... I can't recall exactly what skills  you have at the moment but I'm sure you can do something... well, sort of sure anyway. Color inside the lines maybe?

I'll be waiting anxiously to see what excuses you come up with for not providing proof of the animal's existance after Lee's. I don't have cable but I've been hearing a lot about some show called "Jackass" and you're about as close as I can get to it I think so your continued responses are important to me from an entertainment standpoint.
 
"Now this fourm was for someone with an EXTRA FEMALE albino ball who WAS WILLING TO loan it out."

No, that is actually no where near the purpose of this "fourm."  This is not a classified section.  Like people have said numerous times before, if you wanted to post something like this, do it in the classifieds.  Then people will laugh at you there.

One more reason that males are often loaned and females are not.  Males can be bred to multiple females, making it much more worthwhile.  

And Patrick, don't try to belittle Ritche by telling us how many more animals you have bred than him.  He's obviously been doing this for pleasure, not profit.  Also, I think it's probably a pretty safe bet that you've never bred so much as a cricket.  You certainly can't provide pictured proof of anything, and basically every statement you make here has either been proven to be a lie by your other statments, or is at the very least, highly suspect.

And since when were you "in business?"  Do you have a liscense?  Pay taxes?

Quit ignoring all the questions people have been asking you about all your contradictions.  Quit lying about everything.  You were caught a long time ago.  I am with Seamus on this.  Definitely entertaining.
 
In following this thread, I am torn between being amused and appalled by the persistent pattern of lies, even once he's been caught.  First they were adult snows (99 adults purchased at a meet by a now deceased (?) aunt), then they're juveniles, then they're ill and may not be able to be transported for proof to Lee's, then they're hets (but still ill - how convenient).  Let's not forget the supposed hospital stay, the dubious 'friend' of his father's and his input, plus Patrick has been a keeper and breeder since he was 5-7. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>  Did I forget anything?  We could fertilize most of the prairie with the bs this kid spouts.

When he first started posting, I figured he was into reptiles and was a bit of a braggart prone to embellishing the truth, never actually having produced anything but wanting to.  Now I have no doubt that he hasn't produced anything as well as being a pathological liar.  Perhaps his parents may have produced animals (highly unlikely) but no parent in their right mind is going to fund a hobby like this for anyone that young, much less with African rocks and all the other stuff he's claimed.  At least if he were going to lie, he could keep the storyline straight, make notes or something to keep it consistent.  It's so blatant now that this is a total fabrication simply because of the inconsistency of the storyline.

As for questioning Ritchie's ability, LOL at that.  Many of us have kept reptiles near as long or longer than Patrick has even been on the planet.  The people who are dedicated and serious about their pets aren't out to make a quick buck on them.  I'm also 31 and I've only produced one litter so far, back in 2000, with another pair breeding this year.  Know what that means?  Squat.  I’ve been keeping boas and pythons since 1990 or 1991, a good deal more experienced than Patrick, I’d say, and still no competition for many on this forum.  With a small collection (18 personally and over half are juveniles), it isn't healthy for the animals that are of age to breed them every year.  If Patrick had actually kept & bred any of the animals he claims, he'd know that.  There’s really no way for him to save face at this point.  

The best you can do, Patrick, is to either prove that you have what you originally claimed (a 99 snow boa and an axanthic ball python – NOT hets) or just go away.  At best you’re simply providing entertainment at this point and even that is bound to wear thin.  You might also consider taking on a tutor to help with your writing ability and reading comprehension - you've got a lot of work ahead of you.

Dianne
 
I was curious....  Has anyone seen a phone number from Patrick?  I just wonder if his parents are completely oblivious to what he does, and if they know about how much he lies and how badly he is in need of "Hooked on Phonics."  If I had the number, I'd give them a call and just ask them to read this thread.  Has he ever posted a phone number?

Heck, maybe his parents would ground him from the internet for awhile...

After that thought...maybe I shouldn't call.  I'd have to go back to watching TV for entertainment.
 
Well then, it didn't take long to get that out of you.  So now they are hets according to your aunt and your deceased grandma.  I wonder if they are creatable?  Patrick, you ARE new to the business, wait, hm........, what business!  So I am guess you pay sales tax on all your sales, and also file your taxes each year, are you incorporated, or do you have a DBA?  May I ask what county you live in?  I may have to call the courthouse and ask them about you and your business, that's if I would like to get a kick out of hearing what you have to say to cover up more of your lies.  So now these hets, what do they look like?  I don't know why a het would look anything like an Axanthic, but hey, I currently don't breed balls, so I might be wrong?  Ha!  Since you seem to know all about genetics, to produce snows, you have to breed two animals together that carry both traits, thus a double het, or a snow x double het, snow x snow.  You just don't know what they are, if they are Double het. or just het?  If you don't know that much about the genes of the snake you are supposedly keeping, I would hate to see your husbandry!  Even if you did have a real snow or Axanthic, I wouldn't let it anywhere near me or my animals in fear of IBD.  You don't have the snakes in question, simple as that.
Thanks
Justyn
 
Your right Patrick, you illiterate, stupid little pant load. You can afford to shop around an axanthic male ball worth about $5000 and 2 snow boas worth about $10000 and a spider ball worth $17500, but you can't afford a scanner at $50 or a camera at $150-200. That makes all kinds of sense. I also find it incredible that you would question the collection that I have when you have nothing and have proven nothing. Here is a pic of $10,000 worth of balls in front of this thread full of lies that you have posted, taken just now! A sub adult female albino, ghost and pastel ball, all of which I have many more of. For your info genius, Darin is a friend of mine and does not even work with most of the animals that I do! Moron. Anyone who was at my show saw my collection of balls, burms, tegus, colubrids, albino retics, etc., all displayed! Some of the top breeders in the world have been to my house and seen my collection! You Patrick are a little punk. I will now begin to go out of my way to make sure that nobody else has to put up with your garbage. You have made a very elite blacklist that I have not added anyone to in years. Congrats buddy. Evan Stahl
 
Alright now your crossing the line there kiddo, I hope for you that things came out wrong on your post </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ritchie, you mean last year was your FIRST time actually breeding??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> it looks there as though your trying to be little Rich and in do so I hope you realize that anyone within these forums that may have been sympathetic toward you or cared about you and your situation is going to want nothing to do with you, Rich may not have breed very many animals but he is highly respected by many of us here within and abroad, so if you ever want to have anyone at all listen to you or care in the slightest of what you say I would not that off if I was you!
 
All right now your crossing the line there kiddo! I hope for your sake that what you were trying to say just came out wrong in your post.  </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ritchie, you mean last year was your FIRST time actually breeding??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>It looks to me as though your trying to belittle Rich. I truly hope that is not the case, however if that is what you were trying to do, I hope you realize this.  Anyone within these forums that may have been sympathetic toward you or cared enough to help you, now or in the future, will want nothing to do with you. Rich may not have bred very many animals but he is highly respected, by many of us here within these forums and abroad. So if you ever want to have anyone at all listen to you or care in the slightest about what you say, I would knock that off if I was you!
 
Jason.... you were SO close! I noticed you tried to edit your first post.... you left 3 mistakes....

it's....

now YOU'RE crossing....

though YOU'RE trying....

and....

if I WERE you....

other than that.... not a bad proof-read.... next time, though, try to do it BEFORE you hit send.... lol

good job....

....Neil
 
"Your right Patrick, you illiterate, stupid little pant load."

See this is exaticly why i NEVER DEAL with you at swaps Evan.

I ment no disrespect to Ritchie it was in fact a simple question, as i assumed he has bred many animals by the way he acts and talks. Also when you get annoying e-mails and stuff you would do something too, all though i didn't mean it like that.  

EVERYONE who has my phone # i gave that for you only not the whole world, i am sure you would feel the same way if you got unwanted phone calls day in and day out.  I am asking you all nicely please.

"Well then, it didn't take long to get that out of you.  So now they are hets according to your aunt and your deceased grandma.  I wonder if they are creatable?  Patrick, you ARE new to the business, wait, hm........, what business!  So I am guess you pay sales tax on all your sales, and also file your taxes each year, are you incorporated, or do you have a DBA?  May I ask what county you live in? "

Do you now how old i am?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?  I don't have to file taxes unless the earnings are greater than 2,500 a year which i will soon have to.

Well lets see I wasn't an as* to you don't be one back, now my aunts deceased and don't remind me!!  

A het for MOST Pythons and boas is a Dom. gene which is a visable trait and when bred to a normal you get 100% or when bred to the same trait you get that trait, as for co. dom. is an inhertable trait ( I think) which can be passed to some and not others ex pastel ball.

Sales tax??  You don't pay tax at Il. shows unless the vendor is from out of state, U.S. and proud of it!!  Lets see file all my sales why....so i can get it all back???
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Well then, it didn't take long to get that out of you.  So now they are hets according to your aunt and your deceased grandma.  I wonder if they are creatable?  Patrick, you ARE new to the business, wait, hm........, what business!  So I am guess you pay sales tax on all your sales, and also file your taxes each year, are you incorporated, or do you have a DBA?  May I ask what county you live in? "

Do you now how old i am?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>  I don't have to file taxes unless the earnings are greater than 2,500 a year which i will soon have to.

Well lets see I wasn't an as* to you don't be one back, now my aunts deceased and don't remind me!!  </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I admit I was being a little overly aggressive in the last posting, at least more aggressive then I wanted to be.  

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A het for MOST Pythons and boas is a Dom. gene which is a visable trait and when bred to a normal you get 100% or when bred to the same trait you get that trait, as for co. dom. is an inhertable trait ( I think) which can be passed to some and not others ex pastel ball.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ok, you have proven that you do not know the simple rules of genetics enough to have a viable conversation using them as the main topic.  Het. means heterozygous, and in simple terms this means that the animal is carrying a recessive gene that is currently being hidden by a dominate gene.  I think you may be thinking of homozygous, which would mean that the trait is showing.  As for a co. dominate gene, such as a tiger retic, if you bred a tiger retic to a normal you should get 50% tigers, and 50% normals, none of the normals would be het I might add.  Please do your research before making a larger fool out of yourself.  

As for sales tax, I am not really sure where you are coming from saying that if you file it you'll get it back?  Anyone have a clue?
 
Pat does have the sales tax backwards. It is in-state vendors that are required to collect sales tax.

On a more positive note, Pat's grammar has improved dramatically, and I will give him credit for taking that first positive step in presenting himself in a better light.
 
Meant no disrespect to Ritchie???  Reread your post bud....  I'll paste it here to make it easy for ya...

"Ritchie i have owned many reptiles since i was 5 but my obession with snakes since i was 7, i have actually been in this business for just a little less time than you, but yet have done more why???  I just can't find that answer Ritchie?? Do you have it, and MY AUNT AND GRANDMA BOTH TOLD ME THESE WHERE HETS FROM P.K and i know what a het is and no, i am notnew to this business, Justyn.  Now as for if its a db or just a het idk as i wasn't informed i also know that she found papers and they where feeding records recepits etc.

Justyn, you want to play a game of snake and mouse now??? Try to be the one with the pack as you feel you have to be??? "


As far as I'm concerned, Patrick hasn't done crap to make himself look better until he takes responsibility for his actions and admits to all his lies.  O, and he could answer all the questions that have been asked....
 
Minors don't have to file sales tax unless it's over x amount of dollars, im a sorry about all of my silly and childish grammar mistakes. I am learning to key and its hard to be honest. Its also very hard to come home from a silly enviroment and go to a serious one.  

Now Lucas, so whats your point where is this total disrespect thing to Ritchie?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>  Im sorry i don't follow.
I have tried to be nice in a way but yet to a degree hash as he is to me, but at the same time i do have some morals that i do uphold.

"As far as I'm concerned, Patrick hasn't done crap to make himself look better until he takes responsibility for his actions and admits to all his lies.  O, and he could answer all the questions that have been asked"...

I have taken all responsibilty for ALL MY actions.
So..what lies are these you speak of Lucas???
O and what ?'s are there still left that you feel obligated i answer??
 
If you just don't follow how you were disrespectful to Ritchie, then I'm sorry, I can't help ya.  You don't consider this disprespectful?
"i have actually been in this business for just a little less time than you, but yet have done more why???"
And the funny thing is that you've never bred anything and everyone here knows it.

Holy crap man, I'm not reading back through all this to find the questions that have been asked you.  How about explaining how the ages drastically changed on your boa and ball python?  You've lied about everything.  How about telling us what you haven't lied about?  Just go to your theropy man....

And if you think your reputation is going to be restored in 9 months, you're sadly mistaking.  If you completely disappear and then come back WITH A BRAIN in 15 years, then people might not remember you.
 
Never bred anything??? LMAO im sorry, its great.

Does Lucas want pics of my ball laying her egges when she does?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> LOL

Lucas you realize that you are now lieing as you speak, if you can remember that far ago........

Um its hard when you have 14 snakes to keep everything right, try some time and trying to keep up in ADVANCED CLASSES its hard, althought mmy only hard class is spanish dam* it i can speak that lan. for crap.

Um came back with Brian i never brought a Brian Here?? If you want i can Bring a Bryan???

Lucas i am not going to be trashed by someone who already said sorry for the last tiem you did and admired me bla, bla, bla what a bunch of bull, if i sill had the e-mail i would pos it, i nay actually that doesn't sound like a bad idea.
 
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